2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe real entitlement affliction is the one Bernie has
Bernie thinks he is entitled to stretch out this primary process even though he has zero chance.
Bernie thinks he is entitled to decrease the chances of a Democrat winning because of his ego.
Even though Hillary now has over 3 million more votes than him, because he is a white male he feels entitled to stretch this out.
He feels entitled to ignore the will of those voters because they voted for a minority candidate, a woman.
Even the scum bags on the GOP side droped out because their frontrunner did in fact have millions of more votes.
Why does Bernie feel entitled to be to be a worse person than the GOP candidates?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Your crap about him feeling entitled because he is a white male is dumb trash.
Bernie is part of a minority, by the way, a Jew in this country,
By the way, do you know what a scum bag actually is?
annavictorious
(934 posts)He has given every indication that he thinks he's entitled to a nomination he didn't earn.
He's made it clear that he thinks he's entitled to special considerations from a party he joined simply to exploit its resources.
He's also entitled to turn his back on principle in order to secure his own job.
He's entitled to waste his donors' money chartering a jet for an overnight junket to Rome with family and friends.
He's entitled to dump Vermont's waste in poor neighborhoods in Texas.
And he's entitled to make sure that his wife makes some money on the deal.
But I'm sure Sanders sees it very differently because Sanders is convinced that he is entitled to be the exemption from every rule.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)His supporters will say otherwise. But they will quickly move on to other things, and the rest of the world will say, "Bernie who?"
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Have you SEEN any of his rallies lately? He is dearly beloved, and widely considered the most trustworthy of any candidate, and his favorability rating is twice Hillary's.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)Prove it.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...and Bernie Sanders and the numbers were the same, that Sanders would drop out because he'd be so thrilled to lose to a white male, and so uninterested in spreading his message and trying to pass a progressive Democratic Party platform?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Fact: Bernie is short 950 PLEDGED Delegates
Fact: There is a 283 difference between them.
Fact: There are still 1114 delegates up for grabs meaning there are enough delegates for either one of them to win.
Fact: VOTES Do Not MATTER! Pledged Delegates do.
Fact: Facts are reality. Entitlement is wishful thinking. Bernie is still in this race based on FACTS.
Get it?
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Not true...less than 300.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)The claim that Hillary is winning the popular vote is one of the most deceptive, specious claims the Hillary Clinton campaign and her surrogates are making. The mainstream media is echoing and giving a total pass on this egregiously dishonest claim.
This is very important for several reasons.
1- Superdelegates are arguing that they are, by supporting Hillary, representing the majority of voters. The truth is that this not true.
2- The mainstream media repeat the "Hillary is winning the popular vote" mantra, or allow Hillary and her surrogates to make the specious claim many many times every day.
Actually, the claim is an affront to the truth, based on the numbers.
More:
Debunking Hillary's Specious Winning the Popular Vote Claim
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Hillary-and-Her-Surrogates-by-Rob-Kall-Hillary-Clinton_Popular-Vote_Surrogates-160511-219.html
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I don't know what numbers are being reported now, but on Caucus nights, there were numbers being reported. How those number translate later on is anyone's guess.
I do know, however, if the numbers were switched and if it was Bernie with the 3 million plus lead, you and the rest of the Bernie Bros would be singing a different tune. So spare us the manufactured condemnation, to go along with the manufactured outrage. If Bernie was a real Democratic, he wouldn't be still taking donations from people when he knows that he cannot win, even if they insisted on it. Donald Trump has taken donations from people who couldn't afford it either, but he said that they insisted that he have it too. When all is said and done, Bernie will leave behind a damaged Democratic Party, and a damaged reputation that he will never be able to regain. At his rally's, he projects the image of a bitter old man, always shouting and seemingly angry. His message is not one of Hope, but that everyone and everything is rigged and corrupt, except for him and his ideas. This anger is certain to become his legacy. What a shame.
Chezboo
(230 posts)And I do know, however, that if Hillary's voters were being purged (much less at the rate of Sanders'), affiliations changed without consent and with forged signatures, etc. etc. the I'mfor-->Her's would be up-in-arms rabidly protesting. Sanders is not the one damaging the Democratic Party and it didn't just start in the last 12 months. It's been in a downward spiral for years and the Clinton's have had had a huge part in its destruction. After 46 years, I've stayed in the last several elections just to be able to vote in the primary. I will never vote for a Republican, and I sure as hell won't vote for a neocon like Hillary. Blaming Sanders for the state of the Democratic party is the poorest of excuses.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The reason people use the word "coronation" with regard to Hillary Clinton is that SDs endorsed her before she even announced. And because DWS was a Clinton co-chair in 2008, and in 2016 DWS limited the number of debates and scheduled them for low viewership.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)He has tasted the throws of power and it has caused his head to swell. Originally just running as a protest candidate, (which is what he has been doing his entire time in the House and the Senate), he never thought at his age, anyone would take him serious as a candidate. But not fully estimating the power of hatred directed at Hillary Clinton, (much of which he himself has unleashed) he suddenly found himself in a contest. (Not one that he could win, but a contest no less.) And the crowds continued to come, and his head swelled even more. And Jane whispered in his ear. "You could actually win this thing." And then the Pope called, and he said, "I'd like to invite you to the Vatican." Well actually the Pope did not call, but that's what Bernie heard in his head.
So now we have a candidate who is as delusional as his supporters. Only, he's much older and someone who ought to know better than to pour gasoline on a lighted flame. But power is the ultimate aphrodisiac and for whatever it's worth, Bernie has tasted the drunkenness of power and he can't bring himself to let it go. What could have been his greatest legacy will now only certainly go down as his greatest shame.
Sejon
(109 posts)And I'd be disappointed if he didn't follow through on that.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)"...He promised us at the start he'd be in all the way to the Convention. ..."
Sometimes adults say things and make promises that they can't or shouldn't keep. Stop whining. This is bigger than any one man or one woman for that matter.
Bernie knows that he has no current path to winning the nomination. To continue taking donations from people when he knows otherwise is FRAUD, even if they insist. Though that doesn't seem to be the case since his contributions have been cut almost in half the last month from previous months. To try and destroy the Democratic Party because he can't win is his own Ego getting in the way. He's already said that he is not a Saviour. His supporters just weren't listening. Now out of desparation, his supporters are taking a page from the Ted Cruz playbook, trying to flip delegates with a bunch of unsavory tactics and when that doesn't work, brute force.
Well I guess this is Bernie's idea of a REVOLUTION. I guess, we just didn't realize that his target was OUR party. The Party he refused to join until it was financially expediant for him.
Bernie's legacy will be that of a bitter and angry old man, who ran for president, became drunk with power, after succumbing to the chants of his name by the enormity of the crowds, (Bernie, Bernie, Bernie) and the excitement of being wisked through the crowds and intersections by the Secret Service detail, and lost his way. Too Bad. So Sad.
Sejon
(109 posts)You give too much weight to labels. Bernie is far more of a Democrat than a lot in the party will ever be, because he believes in true Democratic principles. It's not the D besides someone's name that makes them a Democrat, it's the issues they believe in and fight for.
Bernie's legacy will be that of a great man - and honest and humble man - who started a revolution, both within the party and society at large, and that genie's never going back in the bottle. Bernie has set the ball rolling and this is only the beginning.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)and registered one protest vote after another while maintaining his status as an Independent, which he obviously thought made him better than the REST OF US who chose to join the party because we believed in it, not simply out of convenience.
This doesn't make him honest or principled, humbled or a Saviour. It make him a USER. Though now he's turned into a BITTER USER. He now has decided if he can't run the Party his way, he'll destroy it.
But feel free to continue worshiping at his feet if you choose. I don't make heros out of politicians. I know that burden is too big for one man to carry.
Sejon
(109 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I'm afraid every time that I see him, that he's going to have a stroke any time now. I don't want a president whose angry all the time or who may have a stroke or heart attack while I'm looking at him. Besides, his list of demands seems to grow by the day. He seems to have a warped understanding of the rules. He who wins, gets to set the agenda. Not the loser. But then again, he apparently is in good company. His followers seem to think that same thing. Perhaps he's hanging out with the wrong people.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)1) Bernie has not and cannot change the calendar.
2) Welcome to democracy!
The rest of your post doesn't make any sense either.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)"...because he is a white male he feels entitled to stretch this out."
Some White males are better leaders than the Former First Lady could ever dream of being...
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...who has caucused with Dems for his entire career and has been on the side of liberal causes his entire life?
There isn't anything wrong with seeing something through to the end. That's a promise he made to his supporters and I expect nothing less than for him to follow through on it.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)No one should be trying to deny peopleespecially from the No. 1 most-populous state Californiathe opportunity to vote.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)And how many of those votes are going to be absolutely useless coming from southern states that she has no chance of winning in the GE?
Canard after triangulation after shape shifting.....
I want to vote. Tomorrow. Then she'll have one fewer votes to brag about.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Might as well just read the comments on Yahoo News
Sejon
(109 posts)Dare I ask if you have any proof?
youceyec
(394 posts)that has "proof" Hillary feels entitled. Maybe they can help you out.
azmom
(5,208 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)and not necessary to vote?
Corporate666
(587 posts)What does being a white male have to do with anything?
And since it has nothing to do with it, why bring it up?
He's saying in the race because he's an egomaniac. Your racism and bigotry have no place in the debate.
youceyec
(394 posts)use sexism all the time by accusing Hillary of doing things just bc she is a women. Im just pointing out facts. If things were reversed, Sanders supporters would be committing murder to encourage Hillary to drop out.
Corporate666
(587 posts)I am the furthest thing from a Sanders supporter. I am not angry about what you said, but you do yourself a disservice to use such a broad brush and to use such invective when it's not justified.
Saying Bernie feels entitled because he's white is a racist statement and inappropriate in any context. As I said, he feels entitled because he's always felt entitled. He has been a failure in terms of getting what he wants out of life through hard work, guile and perseverance, and instead decided to be one of the administrators of the game and try to change the rules in order to get what he wants.
Which, not surprisingly, is the same way he has run his campaign. When he and his party has failed under the rules - they have tried to change the rules, or circumvent the rules, or just ignore the rules. Hence the bullying of SD's, the meltdown in Nevada, the threats, the behavior in GDP, and so on.
youceyec
(394 posts)Sanders can still bow out before then.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)as the convention, and BEYOND.
Me and Millions of other Me's called the WORKING CLASS and the WORKING POOR.
GOT IT, MR Brock???
Response to 2banon (Reply #44)
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2banon
(7,321 posts)I'm 65 Years old now and I have grand daughters who are going to inherent this fucked up system the Neo Libs and Neo Cons created. A La Bill Clinton and Dumya Bush. I'm fighting for THEIR future, and you can tell your boss Mr. Brock, to take his Anita Hill smear bonafides and put it where the sun don't shine. comprende?
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Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Adds up to: how dare he not kowtow to your wishes, O mighty poster!
You really don't understand the phrase, "it's a free country" do you?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)flagged for review