In their own words "most of us cant bring ourselves to vote for Hillary"

[Jackie Wilson Said]

That is what they are now saying.

jesus christ.

What a bunch of ...

Oh well, cant say it...but you know what.

[HerbChestnut]

1. Hillary and the DNC are one and the same

They are sowing the divide in this party by ignoring nearly half of Democrats and alienating new voters.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

4. President drumpf thanks you and I blame you..

[timmymoff]

8. Already seeking those to blame I see

try a mirror you search won't be near as hard.

[grasswire]

9. some of the blame lies with trolls and juvenile posters here on DU

It's very difficult to hold an adult conversation.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

10. Glad to hear you will be voting for Hillary if necessary

[moriah]

57. It can be. Especially when a rather large state still hasn't voted.

I wish my fellow Hillary supporters would remember that she didn't concede to Obama until after the final votes were cast in 2008.

Even after that, it may take a few more infuriating statements from Trump before people decide that anything's better than that orange troll in office. (Seriously, not only do several pictures of his hair look like those troll dolls, but he is probably the political version of an Internet troll.)

[HerbChestnut]

11. Blame me? For what? Valuing my vote?

I've been on the fence about whether or not to vote for Hillary in the general if she's the nominee, but the events of the last couple of weeks have settled it. In my mind, my vote is wasted whether it goes to Hillary or Trump.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

16. With every last breath till my dying day...I will blame you.

[HerbChestnut]

20. Why don't you try putting some blame on the DNC?

They've been pushing Hillary this entire campaign to the detriment of everyone who's run against her. They're pushing a candidate with historical negatives when Bernie is there performing better in every GE poll. They're alienating new voters while disenfranchising half of their own party.

[NWCorona]

36. I think it's easier to blame you. They ain't trying to look into the mirror.

[dflprincess]

79. One day they're saying they don't need us

the next day it's all our fault if Hillary loses.

They can't have it both ways.

[NWCorona]

82. When Hillary fails to make it yet again we will be blamed for sure.

[floriduck]

101. Just think, she would be denied her inevitability and her political career would crash and burn.

Then the Democratic establishment will be left with a shattered party, not having learned anything.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

68. Enablers just fool themselves into helping the addict.

The DNC just needs one more fix and then they'll be alright.

[CobaltBlue]

23. Jackie Wilson Said—Do you own a mirror?

[bvf]

69. And how awful to walk around

with the burden of knowing your low opinion.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

70. Who cares about your drama?

That's what the real Dems did when lil Debbie helped lose the midterms.

The Dems put up crappy candidates then when they lose they point the blame everywhere except at themselves.

[Dem2]

81. As you should

these lovely folks want to ratf*** us all to make themselves feel all kinds of "pure" inside.

Dumbest shit ever.

[kaleckim]

93. Who gives a damn?

Your party is set to run against the most unpopular major party nominee in polling history. So, you chose the second most unpopular nominee. She is not liked, not trusted, and polls worse versus Trump than Sanders. Her top donors are banks and corporate interests (she's gotten more money from Wall Street than all the other candidates combined), she has a center-right economic record, is hawkish. You elect that person and want to blame others? Why would anyone give a damn? It's nonsense. No one's fault but those that supported that weak candidate. If you lose, learn a lesson, don't blame everyone but yourself.

[eggman67]

95. Never in this lifetime will I casta vote for Hillary Clinton, so blame away.

I'll be sure to grieve over it on long winter evenings.

[Arugula Latte]

105. ...

[Fawke Em]

97. Why should I care who you blame?

The fact is that Hillary is a serious flawed candidate.

Who are you going to blame if she's the nominee and gets indicted for mishandling national security data?

Who are you going to blame is she's president and she attempts to means-test Social Security and gets all the Third Way and Republican support, effectively killing it?

Who are you going to blame when she gets us into several more wars, producing a Treasury-draining quagmire on this country?

Who are you going to blame when she signs off on TPP and sends what few good manufacturing jobs we have left overseas?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

109. Your forever-blame and $2 will buy you a Coke.

[Duckhunter935]

63. Her supporters say she has already won

And they do not need us or want our votes. Live with that as I will oblige them.

[MFM008]

29. so is Obama

how have these 8 years been awful?

[Sejon]

2. People are going to need a better reason

Than "at least she's not Trump".

[HerbChestnut]

13. This.

x1000

[procon]

41. Yeah, cuz locking up women who get an abortion is a great alternative. nt

[Sejon]

42. Does anyone seriously believe that's an actual possibility?

[procon]

47. It was a crime in the past. Do you seriously believe Republicans wouldn't try it again? nt

[Sejon]

48. I'm sure there's a lot of things some of might like to try

Like banning all Muslims from entering the US, but none of them are going to happen.

[procon]

53. If low voter turnout hands the election to Trump and Republicans retain their majority,

what's to stop them?

[yeoman6987]

78. 1judge somewhere in the country

It will never happen. Trump is all talk. He might look at procedures and that's it.

[SpareribSP]

85. If the Republicans actually get a veto-proof majority

And you're still blaming Bernie, then there clearly would need to be a LOT more soul-searching in the Democratic party. If Hillary loses and the blame somehow goes to Bernie supporters, that would be really sad. People are supporting Bernie because she's not acting in a way that's healing the rift, and if she pivots even more right for the general she might alienate them even further.

The main scary bit is the supreme court - which really is a problem, but still, having motivation to vote for someone besides fear is crucial. Hillary has a large number of policy positions which I extremely dislike, and I very much dislike how she's campaigned and her general conduct. Of course it would be better to have a Democrat in the oval office, but when it has been made it so clear that I'm not wanted, it's very easy to throw up my hands and say "well fine, screw you too!"

While that sentiment is a bit childish, I think there's a lot of truth in the fact that the party is going to have to move more left in the future, and getting those voices in now is crucial. Hillary would be a lot more palatable to me personally if she made more concessions... Something convincing, not just throwaway campaign rhetoric.

[Demsrule86]

90. Are you serious?

It is already happening in red states...the GOP will merely take in national...all the gains made over 30 years gone.


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2016/03/women-are-already-being-prosecuted-for-having-abortions.html

[pacalo]

3. I know the feeling of this ...

Oh well, cant say it...but you know what.

I feel the same about those who are apathetic to the chicanery going on.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. President drumpf thanks you and I blame you..

[pacalo]

14. If Trump is elected, it will be the fault of those who were willfully blind

to what turned away so many potential Democratic voters.

[NWCorona]

37. This!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

71. The DNC promotes a tarnished, questionable candidate

and you are going to wag your finger if she fails to win.

Gee...okay...

[timmymoff]

5. A supposed bernie supporter who is also a hillary apologist.

amazing

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. Apologist my ass, this is NOT about her or YOU, you still dont get that, do you

[timmymoff]

12. Apologist is the perfect description

always doubted your support for Bernie and still do. Own the title.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

19. Bernie and I will be doing the same thing, and YOU call yourself a Bernie supporter

[timmymoff]

21. I do call myself one

But question you, as stated.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

22. Not i you dont do what he does, you arent

I was before you knew who he was

[timmymoff]

73. You're the greatest Clinton apologist known to support Bernie occassionally.

It's ok though if she wins then you can sell me on her many wonderful assets.

[Duckhunter935]

62. Yes you are

And can be very insulting in your posts

[amborin]

46. at least 3 and counting

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

15. We (Bernie supporters) have been told.....

"....she's winning, get over it."

Well, she's winning, good.

Then you don't need my vote.

So why all the fuss?

[cantbeserious]

26. Roger That - Besides - HRC Has Not Earned This Citizen's Vote

eom

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

28. It has to be earned....

..not demanded.

Not via shame, ridicule, threats, or by saying "I just don't understand."

It has to be earned.

It has not.

[cantbeserious]

30. Roger That

eom

[procon]

43. So you lot want to be wooed and courted?

Pizza at Dominos OK, or do you need chocolates, flowers and violins?

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

45. No.

Try not lied to.

She's a sleazebag.

And your post is pretty low rent as well.

The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.

Why?

“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

[procon]

61. Um... hate to tell you, but Snopes debunked this email hoax years ago

FALSE

"Hillary Clinton was not fired from the House Judiciary Committee's Watergate investigation by Chief Counsel Jerry Zeifman."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp


Sorry. Do you need help finding another dastardly Hillary story on the Intertubes?

[kaleckim]

94. I know

these leftists and them asking for something more than being less bad than the modern Republican Party. It's like they've been harmed by policies the Democratic Party is working hard to cement. I take pride in the fact that I don't demand anything from the Democrats, outside of being less bad than the Republicans. I'm also removed from the harm caused by the policies that the Clintons have supported, and I have no interest in putting myself in the shoes of those harmed.

I find it interesting that people are beside themselves because they have to now earn the left's vote. It's beneath so many Clinton and DWS supporter, I tell ya.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

106. "I have no interest in putting myself in the shoes of those harmed."

Thank you.

My future son-in law leaves for the Middle East soon.

I'm only voting for someone who's campaign logo has an arrow pointing home.

[Duckhunter935]

64. So true, top

[CorporatistNation]

65. Hillary If Anything Is "Separating" Herself from Those Who Would Support Her By Her Less Than

fair actions by BOTH her campaign and THE DNC/DWS et al who are jamming her into the nomination slot using any means possible.

[JesterCS]

103. Anyone who says they'd vote

Trump over Hillary, is a troll, hillbot, or repub. There are no real democrats here that will vote for trump. Another baseless smear by Hillarians. And you want OUR support?

[MineralMan]

17. Most of whom?

Who is saying this, and about what group?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

18. cant link, then it is call out

[Turin_C3PO]

24. Just the BOB's.

I doubt they're no more than 10% (maximum 20%) of Bernie supporters.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

25. The stupidity of not voting for the candidate is like a virus, it is catching on.

[Blaukraut]

27. Well...The best reply here is "Okay, then don't"

No point in trying to argue about it and try to change someone's mind. Anybody who is so vehemently opposed to Hillary is not going to persuaded by any argument. Best to focus one's efforts on more fruitful endeavors.

[bvf]

72. I don't know about that.

In view of the prospect of an anoymous poster on the internet, blaming me personally for a candidate's alienation of a good portion of her already shaky base, well, I guess I'd just have to rethink my position.

Hm...

OK. Done. No change.

[Blaukraut]

74. Well, the other side of the coin is to not blame anybody

Me personally, I don't blame you for not voting for Hillary. I'm not going to try to change your mind, because, chances are, you've heard all the arguments before and they haven't convinced you. So I'd be wasting my time. On the other hand, telling me you'll never vote for her makes me wonder why you're telling me this. What am I supposed to do about that? If that's how you feel, then fine. Follow your conscience. Again, I don't cast blame. You do what you feel is right, and I'll do the same.

[bvf]

77. Oh, blame is *indeed* due.

And it's pretty obvious to whom.

FWIW, I don't recall stating my personal intentions here either way.

You may be trying to read too deeply into things, but that's entirely up to you.

Probably time for yet another loyalty oath.

[Blaukraut]

100. I wasn't referring to you in particular, but to those who state they won't vote for Hillary

Basically I'm saying that I don't care who people vote for, nor do I require a loyalty oath. Vote for whomever you like. I just don't understand the purpose of flooding this board with emphatic statements of "I will never vote for Hillary". Hence my original post as to what my response to that would be: "Okay, then don't".
Incidentally, I've been on record as being on the fence. So all this animosity on both sides is pretty baffling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. There is the difference between you and me

I consider my vote secret... you don't.

Enjoy that... oh and by the way, votes are earned, not forced. Give people a reason to vote for, not against, Negative campaigns have low turnout, this is like poli sci 101.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

32. /

[MariaThinks]

33. if they can vote for trump - what does it say about them?

trump is willing to say anything and do anything to win. He identifies scapegoats and makes it all everyone else's fault.

Hillary talks about hard work and personal responsibility.

Anyone who votes for trump over Hillary is looking for a free handout - and will be disappointed in trump as he's going to give more money to the rich - himself included.

Hillary made her money the old fashioned way - through hard work. Even her speeches were paid for when she was in business for herself. Why do we have the right to see what her what she gave her clients.

Meanwhile, trump complains about china but does most of his manufacturing there. And people think he's going to look out for our manufacturing base? it's nonsensical and insulting to anyone with intelligence. Even Letterman pulled out a trump tie made in china when trump was ranting about our manufacturing going overseas.

[runaway hero]

91. third way...

reconsider this post...

[Mike Nelson]

34. So many Bernie supporters...

...absolutely loath Hillary Clinton. To them, she's another GWB or Nixon... even worse... So, forget bringing them to vote for the eventual Democratic nominee. The belief that she is evil (or whatever word applies) is not reversible. Probably, it's wiser to concentrate on making sure the base gets to the polls and count on Independents and Republicans to either stay hope or vote against Trump. There will be some Sanders supporters who will crossover to Hillary, also. Still thinking it's a win for our side!

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Who is saying this now? The voices in your head?

Disjointed, strange post.

[NWCorona]

38. You can blame me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. The word you're looking for is "voters"

It is a stupid fucking idea to nominate a candidate that people refuse to vote for.

[Doctor Jack]

40. Have we considered giving the nomination to the guy that didn't win the primaries?

That should unify the party.

I voted for the guy in my state caucus but its over, let it go. I like his ideas too but he isn't Super Jesus here to save the world from evil. Nobody stole millions of votes from him or hundreds of delegates. There isn't going to be some bombshell Clinton arrest or leaked transcripts of Clinton telling a room full of bankers that she will gladly take bribes from them. He lost, that is what happens in a democracy. You don't win every time. Not everyone gets a trophy. Not everything is a vast conspiracy. Not everyone is ready to light the world on fire when every little thing doesn't go their way.

Don't expect that everyone is going to kiss your ass forever to get your vote. There are a lot of people in this country with a lot of view points, don't think you are deserving of extra special attention. If you are saying "Bernie or Bust" then your option is bust at this point. He isn't going to be president. Not through yelling at superdelegates, not by threatening to riot like '68 at the convention, not by writing in his name in November. He lost, it sucks, but he had his chance, stop trying to shove him down the throats of the people that didn't want him as the nominee.

[aikoaiko]

44. People of conscience?

[AzDar]

49. Anyone voting for such a corrupt candidate who possesses such poor judgement, is under FBI ...

(and possibly OTHER agencies) investigation, is an habitual LIAR and is KNOWN to be a loser against Drumpf has NO ONE but THEMSELVES to blame. It's not like you weren't WARNED.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

50. President drumpf appreciates your support.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

52. Not voting for Clinton...

...is not the same as supporting Trump.

Consider me to be shouting.

[AzDar]

55. I'm guessing he appreciates YOURS more- you are making it so EASY for him. MY Candidate kicks his...

ASS. Blame those supporting a corrupt SHAM of a candidate... not people who recognize this and refuse to endorse her.

[Duckhunter935]

66. So true

[Fawke Em]

98. The seem to forget that, don't they?

[coffeeAM]

51. +10000

[EndElectoral]

59. If you can get past her foreign policy, her ties to Wall St, her constant evolving,then vote for her

I just think it is reprehensible to guilt others who are struggling though a very difficult choice with crap like "she's not Trump".

I vote for a candidate, not against one anymore. I'll be voting down the line for Dems on the undercard, and no one has to guilt me into that. The question that really needs to be asked is does this candidate offer us the best option to beat Trump? The answer in poll after poll is no. The question needs to be has this candidate's record represent the values you could be proud of voting for? For me, no.

Please vote for who you want to. But please show your respect in allowing people to make their own informed choice in candidates they can back.

If you feel HRC is the best choice, show me why, not that she's not as bad as the other guy. Don't threaten me with your fears over the supreme court, but with your hopes for the vision she brings to the coming years with her plan. Show me her record that tries to bring peace to the world and improvement in all our lives.

I think rather than castigating those who've looked at her record and found it lacking cou;d be persuaded without the better than the devil argument.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Do you think it untrue?

[Smarmie Doofus]

56. No. I really don't. How could I?

Why don't you just tell me?

And please: leave "jesus" out of it.

[Waiting For Everyman]

58. Haven't you heard? She's replacing us with Rethug retreads.

She doesn't need us, so no probs.

[JonLeibowitz]

60. Without saying how I will vote, I care not a whit for what others think; I am proud of your blame.

[Depaysement]

67. Hillary doesn't want us anyway

She only wants our votes and then only on her terms.

Sorry, we are potential constituents and each of our votes is just as good as your vote or anyone else's vote.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

75. You need to wave that finger a little harder...

admonish those wayward voters a little more with uncle gunnysack.

[Agnosticsherbet]

76. Then they have chosen Trump.

We will win without them.

[CherokeeDem]

80. I read that....

and they said most of them would be leaving DU after the GD was closed. My feeling is they can go now. They are not Democrats... and neither is Bernie.

[coffeeAM]

92. Either are the Clintons, their blue dogs. Which is not a democrat!

[CherokeeDem]

102. That would be neither... not either....

and... while the Clintons may be more conservative than you like, they are currently Registered Democrats... not pretenders only using the Party.

When Sanders registers as a Democrat... let me know.

[Thinkingabout]

86. EVER ONWARD!!!!

[m-lekktor]

89. worry about yourself. your obsession with other people's business/vote is fucking creepy.

[tokenlib]

96. Some people are tired of enabling the Third Way/New Dem/DLC

...after all it has been over twenty years since the Clintons unleashed the infestation in the Democratic Party.

Over and over they've voted for the lesser of evils and been told they have nowhere else to go and watched the party lurch rightward...

...fool me once, twice, thrice,....

[Arugula Latte]

99. Yep. I never thought I'd be one of "those people," but I'm about done with this party.

Infestation is a good word. I've vote for the D's every election since Mondale/Ferraro, but the Clintons are like termites, chewing away at our liberal foundations. I'm about to run out of this house.

[Yurovsky]

104. I'm sick & tired of this crap...

This is on HER, not ME or any other Bernie supporter.

SHE sold out to Wall Street

SHE voted for endless war

SHE decided to skirt the rules regarding he email server & the handling of classified materials

SHE has embraced corporations over people

SHE chose to use public office for personal enrichment

SHE supported welfare "reform" and mass incarceration of POC in the 1990s

Don't try to hang this crap on me. I've never gone over to the dark side and I'm sure as hell not going to because some Hillary apologist wants to make ME out to be the bad guy.

Sorry, I'm not selling out just so your beloved HRC can rule over the great unwashed while continuing to hoard cash. How much is enough? Her greed is appalling, and I will not endorse it or her 3rd Way policies by voting for her.

IT'S ON HER, NOT ME!!!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

107. All about you, I see.

[Yurovsky]

123. That's all you got?

Why am I not surprised?

[bvf]

108. They seem to be inoculating their candidate

with a rationale for eventually losing to Trump, should she actually be the nominee.

There'd be too much dissonance involved in blaming her for being so beatable in the GE. They obviously can't blame themselves, despite the piss-poor case they've made for her (which largely amounts to "Sanders supporters suck" and "Don't expect much from her&quot since early on.

[me b zola]

110. Go ahead and say whats on your mind...

You have spent far more time on this forum berating Sanders supporters than you do discussing issues. So go on, speak your mind. I have seen you troll the board to harass Sanders supporters, in the most obvious and obnoxious manner possible. So go on, spit it the fuck out.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

112. Most Bernie supporters are good liberals who wouldnt think of not voting for the candidate

in November.

It is a small but big enough group who do otherwise, very embarrassing to Bernie and his supporters like myself and the majority.

[me b zola]

111. Spit it the fuck out

[Jackie Wilson Said]

113. So who you voting for in November?

[me b zola]

114. I'm voting for Bernie this November

Can you see me making obscene gestures in your general direction?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

115. If Hillary is the nominee, you are voting for Drumpf...when the convention is over you

need to not post here anymore, at that point you wont be welcome here.

[TheSarcastinator]

117. holy sh*t: when were YOU put in charge?

When was that meeting?

Oh, wait: you have no control, you're just another loudmouthed authoritarian who wants to subvert democracy.

[Splinter Cell]

116. I guess one crook is somehow better than another....

[Jackie Wilson Said]

118. Another pro Drumpfer...

[TheFarS1de]

119. Due to my ethics I am unable to support someone who has none .

Sooner sit it out than contribute to this farce .

[Jackie Wilson Said]

120. Go drumpf, in other word

[TheFarS1de]

121. You seem to suffer from an extreme inability to comprhend the words relayed to you .

The key word is "sit out" .... now keep up the strawmaning.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

122. Don't bother....

...it's hopeless.