Press Release from the Nevada Bernie grassroots group about the disasterous Convention

[Mark 750]

I was a Bernie State delegate at the convention Saturday. Many things reported here and again throughout the est. press are so lacking of accuracy. Here is a press release from the Nevada Bernie Grassroots: ALLEGATIONS OF GROSS CORRUPTION NEARLY CAUSE A RIOT AT THE NEVADA STATE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION

Las Vegas, NV – The day after a Nevada judge ruled that there was no cause for a court to interfere in the affairs of the Nevada State Democratic Party, State Party Chair Roberta Lange had to flee the State Democratic Convention after her mismanagement of the convention caused a near riot.

Delegates from the convention reported instances in which Lange repeatedly ignored petitions, motions from the floor, and even appeared to rule against the clear majority in multiple voice votes, leading to a convention full of enraged and shocked delegates.

The trouble began when Lange opened the convention and moved to approve her own self-written temporary rules of order, which had been the subject of some controversy. Although video suggests that the voice vote to approve the rules was overwhelmingly against, she nonetheless called the motion as passed, inciting the first disruption of the convention. Later, although Sanders delegates were able to raise multiple petitions with double the amount required signatures to bring motions to the floor, Lange refused to hear the motions, causing more frustration among Sanders supporters.

In addition, party members of the credentials committee pulled the credentials of sixty-four Sanders delegates, refusing to hold hearings on their delegate status, which is an otherwise normal procedure at any democratic convention. These delegates were previously registered as democrats and served as county delegates (a requirement to participate at the state level), but for some unknown reason their status as registered democrats had changed or was unclear, and they were never given a chance to reconcile the situation.

Per democratic convention procedure, a Minority Report was produced by credentials committee member Leslie Sexton to formally disagree with the credentials report and inform the room of the sixty-four delegate credentials in question. Roberta Lange refused to allow Sexton to announce the Minority Report to the convention attendees. It wasn’t until DNC member Andres Ramirez, who, as a member of the party committee is allowed to speak on the microphone, stole the microphone from Lange and declared his right to announce the Minority Report, and deferred to Sexton to read the report.

After 12+ hours of convention voting, patient Sanders supporters waited for the appropriate step in the convention process per rules and bylaws to motion for a recount by headcount, after the Party did not bring the count up for approval via vote. The motion was ignored with Lange claiming she couldn’t hear the motion coming from the floor. Frustrated by several attempts to motion that were ignored or unheard by Lange and the committee, Bernie grassroots leader Angie Morelli responded to her claim by using a megaphone to announce the motion for a headcount. Lange responded by requesting security to confiscate the megaphone, who then threatened to have her permanently 86’d from all Caesar’s properties for use of the megaphone. Further attempts to motion for a headcount, or any other motion, were not acknowledged by Lange.

The most shocking moment of the night came when Congressional Candidate Jesse Sbaih, while giving a stump speech from the stage, used his allotted time to motion for a headcount vote. The crowd erupted in cheers, while Vice Chair Chris Wicker appeared to panic. Rather than request a 2nd to the motion and hold the headcount vote, the party leadership conferred. Lange then ran to the podium and motioned for the convention to be adjourned. With remaining Sanders supporters vastly outnumbering Hillary supporters at around 11:00pm, the voice vote against the motion to adjourn by Sanders supporters was overwhelmingly against the motion. Lange again refused to acknowledge the correct voice vote results and declared her motion to adjourn to have passed. She immediately fled the stage, and moments later police flooded the convention floor to remove remaining convention attendees.

In the week leading up to the convention, the state party had been defending against allegations that they had manipulated the rules to prevent the Sanders majority from taking control of the party leadership by blocking Sanders nominees to Party leadership positions. The party dismissed the allegations as the rantings of “disgruntled activists”

However, the allegations took on a new light after a convention that could best be described as a disgrace. Lange’s repeated steamrolling of convention procedure and disregard for the spirit of democracy have effectively killed any chance of party unity or inclusion.

[Land of Enchantment]

1. Thank you. This is a disgrace. nt

[LWolf]

2. "a convention that could best be described as a disgrace"

To say the least.

Lange’s repeated steamrolling of convention procedure and disregard for the spirit of democracy have effectively killed any chance of party unity or inclusion.

[Demsrule86]

45. True

trying to steal an election when you lost the state is disgraceful...Bernie Sanders ...have you no decency?

[Kittycat]

3. Thank you for posting.

It was truly horrific watching what occured last night. Hopefully, there is a serious review and adjustment made. Or some type of re-meet, and definitely a removal of Lange!

[jwirr]

4. When the SCOTUS elected W many of us refused to recognize

him as the president of the USA. IF this cheating continues we have ample reason to refuse to accept Hillary Clinton as the dully elected nominee. Either these messes get handled correctly or there is NO legitimate nominee.

[HooptieWagon]

6. She is not a legitimate nominee with all the cheating going on.

The Party has completely gone off the rails, and is no longer recognizable as the Party I've supported and voted for for 40years. Time for this old liberal to move on, and no longer vote straight Democratic. Voting for the 'lesser' of two evils only strengthens evil's hold on power. Third Way must be Gillooly'd.

[Samantha]

41. This is what I have been thinking (eom)

[jwirr]

54. You feel the same as I.

[Ikonoklast]

67. Voting between choices that are a disaster or a big disaster, one still votes for a disaster.

I refuse to vote for either.

[pdsimdars]

101. A good JFK quote I saw.

Once you say you're going to settle for second, that's what happens to you in life.

--- John F. Kennedy



Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn166598.html

[truedelphi]

82. And hopefully Bernie will not back down. A contract when agreed to

Is never binding when those to whom you are offering your word reveal themselves to be crooks.

From the database intrusion for which Hillary and the Media gleefully assigned Bernie guilt, although his people had not done anything, to her campaign worker Brock offering up money to have the placement of child porn on Sanders' supporter websites, which is by the way a felony, the Sanders campaign has seen instance after instance of felonious conduct.

If people knew the truth, those now supporting her would drop Hillary.

But of course, most Americans already have.

I mean, consider this:
Over 41% of all registered voters are indies, and they won't support her.

With only 2/3rds of the 29% of all registered voters who are Dems supporting her, she cannot win against Trump.

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. Cheating a.k.a. stealing does not equal winning.

The "duly elected" ship has already sailed.

What we're watching and taking part in is an ongoing fraud.

[reformist2]

16. And this confirms what CoffeeCat was saying, 100%. I now suspect this has been Camp Hillary's

modus operandi throughout this campaign, to disqualify Bernie Sanders voters through systematic tampering with the registration records.

[Enthusiast]

51. Huge +1!

[NWCorona]

24. It all started with Iowa

[840high]

35. I have seen it for

years, too. I have never been as disgusted with a candidate.

[TCJ70]

81. It's especially ridiculous because they HAD to be registered Dem at the county level...

...it just gets more and more ridiculous. It's not like these are new delegates or something.

[Hydra]

7. The fact that we are seriously having to have this discussion is a sign our party is in trouble

The fact that the Clinton team is so desperate to deny Bernie any win they can speaks to the weakness of her primary campaign.

Should be interesting to see where this all goes. I suspect Bushco will be invited in with open arms.

[2banon]

10. Well Said. So obviously desperate, evidence of very serious weakness.

She's already courting Bush Co. so there's that.

[snort]

8. If this works its worth a watch:

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761545822695/

[840high]

36. Thanks.

[NV Whino]

9. This is the key sentence

Lange’s repeated steamrolling of convention procedure and disregard for the spirit of democracy have effectively killed any chance of party unity or inclusion.

Camp Weathervane expects us to rally 'round Hillary should she win the nomination? No way, José. Dispicable conduct.

[fun n serious]

11. Who won the popular vote in Nevada?

Who originally won NV and who cheated in April?


:large

[reformist2]

17. Hillary didn't even win that. Her campaign has been cheating the entire time.

She probably won South Carolina fair in square. And maybe a few other Southern States. The rest - I don't believe she truly won anything else.

[JimDandy]

43. Your remark is borne out of ignorance of what actually occurred...

Hillary won the NV caucuses in Feb. Delegates who were HillBill Supporters (HillBSers) simply did not show up in April at the Nevada County Convention level. Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters showed up as required, state-wide, in numbers sufficient to earn him the most delegates at that level. Those are the rules and his supporters followed the rules and showed up. HillBillS did not.

Whatever that image is in your post (no dates, no sources really?) it has no bearing on the vote outcome at the NV County Conventions. Only credentialed delegates who presented their credentials at sign-in were allowed to vote.

The rules Hillary and Harry cooked up in Nevada yesterday were a travesty. In fact, the creation of a rule that made the vote results at the County Convention level null and void is unprecedented.

UNPRECEDENTED.

And not just in NV, but unprecedented in any State Dem Party in the entire US.

Anyone who votes for Hillary after yesterday is openly supporting corruption.

[Enthusiast]

52. Huge +1!

[beedle]

57. Exactly

And the unmitigated gall of some Hillary supporters.

Rules that prevent new blood into the Dem party: "too bad, rules are rules"

Rules that prevent people who had their registration flipped from addressing the mistake and participating: "too bad rules are rules"

Rules that allow Hillary to funnel state campaign donations to her personal campaign: "too bad, rules are rules"

Rules that change hand counted votes to match bogus machine count number: "too bad, rules are rules"

All of a sudden, Rules that require delegates to show up in order to be counted: "that rule hurts Hillary, it needs to be changed right away, and no need to follow any 'rules' in order to do so, just change them, cut off all discussion and rules of order, and run away"

Corruption and dismissal of democratic principles has been the hallmark of Hillary, her campaign, and her supporters ... why would anyone interested in actual democracy ever vote for this group of undemocratic hypocrites?

[AzDar]

12. If they're doing this in full view, imagine what they're doing behind the scenes...

[NWCorona]

25. Exactly!!

[nenagh]

31. Absolutely.

[Enthusiast]

53. Good point.

[lindysalsagal]

13. Link? Not taking sides: I want to see the actual press release.

If this is all true, the justice Dept. needs to get involved and Bernie needs to make a public statement.

[Ash_F]

14. Party leaders can't follow their own rules

This is some banana republic type behavior.

[politicaljunkie41910]

19. They're kidding us right?????

After 12+ hours of convention voting, patient Sanders supporters waited for the appropriate step in the convention process per rules and bylaws to motion for a recount by headcount, after the Party did not bring the count up for approval via vote.

Bernie's folks have never been patient about anything. As if we weren't getting the reports from Las Vegas from the start and those reports coming from the Bernie Bros were anything but evidence exhibiting 'patience'.

[beedle]

30. Post 8 has a video, you should watch it.

it shows pretty clearly that all the Bernie supporters were asking for was a fair convention ... at one point it was so unfair that even the Hillary supporters joined to demand that the minority report be allowed to be read.

The video actually changed my mind a bit about Hillary supporters, seems that the ones 'at large' actually have a sense of justice, and it's just the DU Hillary groupies that are given them a bad name.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

62. I want to see your response to beedle. nt

[Tarc]

21. The aim of the Nevada Sanders contingent was to fuck over the voters in Nevada

An attempt was made to swipe delegates away from Clinton that were won way back in February. A crazy notion, I know, that the person who wins a state should secure the most pledged delegates. Sanders fans pitched a fit that their chicanery didn't work.

That's the be all and end all of the Nevada story.

[beedle]

32. Really?

Aren't you one of those Hillary supporters who claimed that 'the rules are the rules, back when the rules benefited Hillary?

Seems that rules that keep New York citizens from having their say unless they prepare 8 months ahead of time are sacred rules that can never be broken no matter what, even if last minute voter role purges screw over a few potential Bernie voters ... BUT, rules for the Nevada convention are just arbitrary things that can be ignored in the name of 'fairness' (for Hillary?)

Look, the Nevada convention has rules, those rules call for a three phase caucus where you simply 'winning an advantage in phase one' doesn't mean you win the overall convention.

What happened here was a party leadership in the bag for Hillary deciding that they were going to ignore the 2nd phase of the convention ... and that's actually what the rule changes were about, revoking the credentials of as many as possible of those who took part in phase 2, then selectively picking out mostly Bernie delegates to prove they were still eligible under some new standard ... then not even allowing them to have a hearing to see if they actually were ineligible .. they were declared as such and found 'guilty' with no right to a trial or appeal.

There was no 'swiping', there were the rules -- again, rules that used to be important to Hillary supporters, but it seems no longer --- and Bernie won under those rules ... then the rules were changed, and changed not by using the rules designed to make changes, but by strong-arming and dirty tricks, and not even dirty tricks based on the rules, simply doing what they want, then refusing to even listen to people using legitimate rules designed to have their voices heard and present their cse as to why the rules were not being followed.

so sick and ignorant was it that even many of the Hillary supporters in attendance decided to stand with the Bernie supporters when even the minority report, from the fucking credential committee, was being prevented from being read.

[Tarc]

34. I'll put this in simple terms so you get it.

Hillary won 52.6% of the Nevada vote.

Hillary won 20 of Nevada's pledged delegates.

Everything else is gravy.

[beedle]

37. In other words

Rules are for suckers. Cheating is justified if it helps you win.

[SpareribSP]

44. So rules don't matter?

[Tarc]

46. You mean the rules that forbade Bernie fans' non-Democrats from being delegates?

[SpareribSP]

50. We could argue this endlessly apparently.

From what I understand, a lot of those people were lifelong Democrats who had no ability to challenge their status once disqualified. If that's true for even one of them, that's tragic.

[Bluenorthwest]

56. Not all rules are like DU's rules, altered to allow belligerent nastiness....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=126519&sub=trans

[Progressive dog]

69. I wouldn't have used those words but I agree

Many Bernie supporters believe that voting only counts if it's their way.

[JEB]

22. The snake with the colic candidate is turn strongly to the right.

[Sparkly]

23. "a press release from the Nevada Bernie Grassroots"

I'd rather have read your personal experience.

[Mark 750]

39. Long day

It was a long day, stating at 5:45am. We started with 10 different petitions for the delegates to sign for several items we wanted passed to have a fair process. Over 15 hundred Bernie delegates came through the doors - quite overwhelming. Spent the whole day passing out information sheets, directing people to the right areas. We needed to be inside the convention at 9 am because that's when the party decided to bring up motions. Didn't make sense because delegates could be in line at 10 am(cutoff time) and still be processed. Spent time inside making sure the Bernie delegates knew what was happening and explaining how they should vote for Bernie's advantage. It's really a battle because we know how the NV Dem party wants things to turn out(Clinton's advantage).

These types of conventions are an absolute mess and whoever is controlling them has really the upper hand - no democracy here. Bernie delegates are passionate and vocal and and they have to be because we would be railroaded. Hillary's delegates slightly more subdued, and they could be because most things go their way. We did boo Barbra Boxer - she tried to play us with the notion Bernie agrees with her, stupid move on her part. But some Hillary delegates booed Nina Turner too(didn't see any mention of that anywhere). Sometimes things are REALLY slow when they count all kinds of votes for various posts and election positions. Really the press release from the Bernie Grassroots and the videos show the chaos at times. As a personal note - nearly all the time, when I passed a Hillary supporter they looked away, sort of snooty, not real happy people. Bottom line is the NV DEM party seems to have a real contempt for us and wanted to move on with their plan to get the Clinton's into the White house.
It ended around 10pm or so. NV Dems only had it booked until(some say midnight) then and was losing security. 2 announcements were made about this. I was told the Clinton campaign told the NV Dems they instructed their delegates to leave when security ended. Also, there were buses waiting outside for some of them to go back to northern Nevada. I think when that announcement came, it was the cue for the NV Dem party to have a scheme to end the convention. If they left and we asked for a recount, we would have won. They knew that. Our only SUPER delegate for Bernie, Erin Bilbray(great lady), tried to ask for a recount after being introduced by our CD3 congressional candidate, Jesse Sbaih. The mike was pulled from her, so Jesse asked for the recount. Trying a voice count, they just ended the convention and the chairperson just ran out. Unbelievable! Cowards. Then security(Metro police) came in, lining up in front of the stage, and we were told to leave immediately or get arrested. A banana republic for sure.

[pangaia]

87. No reply from Sparkly, yet.. eh..

[CentralMass]

26. Wow, thank you and what a disgrace.

[seabeyond]

28. Clinton won. sanders lost. Sanders supporters throw another tantrum to the point of " near" riot.

[jeff47]

40. So, you have no problem with W's victory in 2000 then?

Or is this a "rules don't matter when I like the result" thing?

[LongTomH]

29. This needs to go viral on every social media....of course the Main$tream Media won't touch it!

[bobbobbins01]

33. The fact that there was no riot says a hell of a lot about Sanders supporters.

When faced with that kind of blatant corruption out in the open, they remained peaceful and tried to follow the rules set forth by the Democratic Party, only to be ignored and marginalized. I honestly don't know how they did it, but they all have my admiration.

As a side note, if that is what they're willing to do publicly, I am absolutely terrified to even imagine what they're doing behind the scenes. This is fascism pure and simple.

[kgnu_fan]

42. Kick

[disillusioned73]

47. Wow..

goodness me.. this is not going to end well for the establishment.

[pdsimdars]

48. Keep it going K&R

[YouDig]

49. Bernie supporters don't like the democratic process, so they riot.

[peace13]

55. You may want to read the above.

You know...about the Democratic process......

[All in it together]

72. What riot? Booing isn't rioting, it was peaceful

Provide your link or you're just smearing the Bernie people.

[pangaia]

88. Grow up...

[Time for change]

58. Lange should go to prison for her flagrant theft of democracy in broad daylight in front of hundreds

of witnesses.

I hope she does, along with all those who assisted her, and stays there a very long time.

But I doubt that it will happen, as we appear to be living in a police state where such things are not only tolerated but condoned.

[MoonRiver]

59. Seems Bernie and his minions don't like the Democratic Party. No surprise there!

A logical solution would be to start their own party. But I guess it's easier to just whine.

[JesterCS]

60. So you excuse blatant cheating? Just because your candidate

Wasn't affected? That's mature.

[MoonRiver]

65. What blatant cheating? Oh you must mean Bernie's.

[Uncle Joe]

61. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Mark 750.

[EndElectoral]

63. Welcome to the new democracy

[reddread]

64. same as the old boss

[bvar22]

66. A disgraceful insult to our Democratic Party (or what is left of it),

bu that is How the Clintons Roll!

[NCTraveler]

68. Link? Nt

[Progressive dog]

70. The convention is over, Hillary got the delegates that she was entitled to

by the actual vote. Some supposed Democrats tried to steal some delegates and got angry when their plans were thwarted.

[winter is coming]

71. Clearly, you failed to read the OP.

Anyone who tells you that was a properly-run convention is lying. It was a disgrace, and damned stupid into the bargain. The Clinton folks couldn't be doing a worse job of "unifying the party" if they were deliberately trying not to.

[Progressive dog]

73. Right, riots by Bernie supporters

prevented the convention from being properly run, and then they have the gall to try intimidation and threats when their scheme to overturn the decision of the voters failed. I would be ashamed to have many of those people in the same party.

[winter is coming]

74. There were no riots.

[Progressive dog]

75. Damn close to riots

with chairs being thrown and police having to be called.

[winter is coming]

79. Have you seen video or pictures of chairs being thrown? That's a bullshit rumor.

As is the police "having" to be called. That wasn't even close to a riot.

That was a set-up and you bought the deception hook, line, and sinker.

[Progressive dog]

86. Yes I have and if I was on that stage,

I would have felt intimidated and that my rights to attend my own convention were being violated.

[winter is coming]

89. You've seen pictures/video of chairs being thrown at the convention? Link, please.

There are a lot of people who'd like to see that evidence.

[Progressive dog]

90. Actually, Rachel Maddow reported the chair throwing.

I have seen videos of some of the harassment and screaming from the people wearing Bernie paraphernalia.

[winter is coming]

91. Rachel reported the chair throwing but presented NO evidence that it occurred.

Instead, she showed a video of pro wrestlers throwing chairs and video of protesters at the convention NOT throwing chairs, despite a caption which clearly read, "Reports of chair throwing at convention". She said Bernie delegates were upset, while utterly failing to explain the slimy behavior that upset them in the first place.

As propaganda, it was first rate. You've been had.

[Progressive dog]

92. So you are saying, if there aren't videos

then it didn't happen. They just made it up to make the yelling, pushing, and intimidation look like it was a bad thing.

[winter is coming]

93. I'm saying that we have a lot of video from that convention and many,

if not most, of the attendees had cell phones with them. I have yet to see any video or pictures of people throwing things. The chair throwing report comes from Ralston, who's so far up Hillary's ass he could brush her teeth. It's more likely to be an incendiary falsehood than the truth.

The mess in NV wasn't about screwing Bernie out of delegates, although that's a happy side effect. It was about setting up a "BernieBros are violent and dangerous" narrative and a lot of people are all too eager to uncritically repeat the propaganda.

[Progressive dog]

95. I understood that

Loud cursing, shouting, obscene gestures and vile insults, including crude comments about the female anatomy. It was all on display over the weekend as supporters of Bernie Sanders turned the Nevada State Democratic Convention into chaos.

That is from CNN--I bet if any of the Bernie supporters took video, they aren't coming forward.
CNN has audio

But new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on.

Any lies are being told by the Sander's camp.

[winter is coming]

96. Wow, nothing says "unprincipled violence" like encouraging people to change party rules.

I'd like to know which "senior Sanders aide" said that, and in what context. It was likely said after Lange had already tossed the rules out the window. Wanting to get control of the convention to return to the established rules isn't the violent act that some are so desperate to perceive.

[Progressive dog]

97. It's on the CNN site along with

the name. In the meantime, Bernie's pathetic statement is out. You should read that.

[winter is coming]

98. I've read it. Far from being pathetic, I thought it was

a measured response to a fraught situation. Camp Weathervane is straining every nerve to create drama, and he didn't buy into their bullshit. Kudos to him.

[TCJ70]

76. Thank you for sharing this. This seems to coincide with the video of the event...

...The part that gets me is the stripping of credentials without talking to people. 64 people being disqualified with no chance to clear it up seems like a ton of garbage.

[seabeyond]

77. Sanders team planned it the night before.

[TCJ70]

80. According to who?

You've said this numerous times now with no evidence.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

78. Yep, Chicago 1968, and the outcome will be the same

Keep it up.

[B Calm]

83. Wow, unabashedly showing her right-wing authoritarian power.

[Agschmid]

85. Pretty much backs up what Rachel reported last night...

[R B Garr]

94. So they waited until the crowd thinned because Clinton supporters were leaving and

then demanded a recount. WTF. I'm glad that this shenanigans was recognized for what it was.

[pdsimdars]

100. Here's an appropriate sign on a building.

They can create all the lies they want but the truth always wins out. You have to wonder how they got to the place where they feel that all the lying is OK somehow.







.

[pokerfan]

102. k&r (nt)