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YouDig

(2,280 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:43 AM May 2016

Remember when the polling gap between Hillary and Bernie was closing?

Not any more. Looks like the chair-throwing and death threats and calling respected Democrats sexist slurs are taking a toll on Bernie's numbers. Might be time for Bernie to quit while he's "ahead". The uglier it gets, the more he damages his legacy and whatever changes he was hoping to bring to the party become less likely.

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Remember when the polling gap between Hillary and Bernie was closing? (Original Post) YouDig May 2016 OP
All the way to the Convention Gavile May 2016 #1
Good point, the chair throwing and death threats might not even be factored in to these numbers. YouDig May 2016 #2
The fight for true democracy can be messy. There have been wars started nc4bo May 2016 #5
This isn't a fight for democracy, it's a fight against democracy. YouDig May 2016 #7
Indeed, the hallmark of Democracy is accepting the outcome when you lose... brooklynite May 2016 #13
says who? grasswire May 2016 #52
More votes by CORRUPTION, LYING, DECEPTION, CHEATING. nc4bo May 2016 #16
If HRC has nothing to worry about, why the hell you still here being your nasty self notadmblnd May 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #43
+1000 stonecutter357 May 2016 #31
Are you kidding me? kaleckim May 2016 #34
Manufactured lies that the hacks think if you repeat often enough will be taken as truth when in Skwmom May 2016 #3
You kids come here for coffee often! peace13 May 2016 #4
Things weren't looking very good for Bernie BEFORE all this ... NurseJackie May 2016 #6
Indiana, Michigan, West Virginia... GreatGazoo May 2016 #8
Got any video evidence of the chair throwing ? TheFarS1de May 2016 #9
Multiple independent reports from credible news sources. YouDig May 2016 #11
You are the one making the claim . TheFarS1de May 2016 #14
Outside your conspiracy bubble, multiple independent news reports constitute evidence. YouDig May 2016 #17
And video is King . TheFarS1de May 2016 #18
You can always find an excuse to deny inconvenient facts. I'm not impressed. YouDig May 2016 #19
In a venue filled with cameras where is the video ? TheFarS1de May 2016 #20
Doesn't bother me at all. Feel free to speculate if you want. YouDig May 2016 #21
If I felt free to speculate ... TheFarS1de May 2016 #23
NYT, WP, AP, others. Everywhere a conspiracy? YouDig May 2016 #25
link? nt grasswire May 2016 #54
Google helps. YouDig May 2016 #56
The reporter's third cousin married a woman whose brother is a first year analysts at Goldman Sachs alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #26
Multiple independent news reports are likely using a single partisan "eyewitness" frylock May 2016 #45
I'm sure that's true in your world. And in your world Bernie has more delegates. YouDig May 2016 #47
What's true in my world is that you can't produce any substantial evidence. frylock May 2016 #49
And also that Bernie's winning, right? Who do you think has more delegates? YouDig May 2016 #50
Apparently there isn't one clinton supporter with the skills to use a phone camera. notadmblnd May 2016 #30
I hate to rain on the parade, but has anyone seen the Clinton/Trump numbers today? Vinca May 2016 #10
"What they've done to Bernie" is not vote for him. He's not entitled to any votes, you know. YouDig May 2016 #12
And by "what they've done" you mean: "not voting for him"? brooklynite May 2016 #15
Come on, Hillary people. Surely 6 or 7 more of you can give the same response. Vinca May 2016 #22
Smeared him Gavile May 2016 #24
The hell are you talking about? woolldog May 2016 #37
From day one, Bernie was accused of being everything Gavile May 2016 #38
Garbage in, garbage out. The live landline and cell polls of likely voters show a 1% difference. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #27
Poll truthing huh? How's that working out for Bernie? YouDig May 2016 #35
Do a little research if you want. The likely voter polls are more accurate than the adult polls or Attorney in Texas May 2016 #36
Oh calm down. Three weeks til the last big vote. morningfog May 2016 #28
Ever More Establishment FUD - Sad That The DNC Has Resorted To These Rovian Tactics cantbeserious May 2016 #32
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2016 #33
Hillary's camp caused this with NO RULES ADOPTED. Who wouldn't stand up? ViseGrip May 2016 #39
That graph shows which camp is "folding" all right. So do the delegate totals. Have you checked YouDig May 2016 #40
good MariaThinks May 2016 #41
Since Bernie hasn't denounced these tactics, MoonRiver May 2016 #42
Brocktacular repitition of brockagandist talking points "chair-throwing and death threats" frylock May 2016 #44
Bernie tried the "repeat the lie" thing, but it's not working anymore. YouDig May 2016 #46
We can agree that you repeating the lie is not working. frylock May 2016 #48
You seem to consider math a "lie". Very strange world of yours. YouDig May 2016 #51
Here's some math for you. frylock May 2016 #53
The email fairy! Yes, she's coming to save you. Any day now... YouDig May 2016 #55
Yep, any day now! frylock May 2016 #57
 

Gavile

(107 posts)
1. All the way to the Convention
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:44 AM
May 2016

When were the last polls taken anyway? The alleged chair-throwing incident only happened a few days ago.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
2. Good point, the chair throwing and death threats might not even be factored in to these numbers.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:45 AM
May 2016

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
5. The fight for true democracy can be messy. There have been wars started
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

And coups based on the fight for democracy.

Stop suppressing the 99%!

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
7. This isn't a fight for democracy, it's a fight against democracy.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:59 AM
May 2016

Hillary got more votes. The chair-throwing people are trying to get the will of the minority elevated over the majority.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. If HRC has nothing to worry about, why the hell you still here being your nasty self
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

Cheating isn't winning and you can make up all the crap you want.

Chair throwing, death threats, my ass. We know the campaign is behind playing her as the victim. Her own damn people pretending to be Sanders supporters. All one has to do is look at how you all are here- to know what you are in real life.

Response to notadmblnd (Reply #29)

kaleckim

(651 posts)
34. Are you kidding me?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

With all the things that have happened with voting, the clear bias the DNC has had towards Clinton this entire election cycle, what has happened with independents and newly signed up Democrats being denied the vote within your party, you think this has been democratic? The amazing thing is the the horribleness that happened in Vegas was unneeded as she is the likely nominee. Why do such a blatant and poorly thought out thing with her ahead as she is? People are already mad because of the state of the country and the systematic corruption (Clinton's corruption being included in that), how the process has been handled this entire election cycle, then they do that and then antagonize people openly. The establishment in general should get used to people being angry, because they are. Nominating a corrupt person such as Clinton (try arguing otherwise), with her hawkish, center-right record, despite her horrible polling numbers, is not going to lead to people becoming less angry either. If you chalk that up to people being immature or undemocratic then you're not making sense of what is underway. Again though, the Vegas things was heavy handed and stupid. It would make more from a strategic point of view if it were closer and something that undemocratic was a means to eek out a victory. Heavy handed and bone-headed, given the current situation.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
3. Manufactured lies that the hacks think if you repeat often enough will be taken as truth when in
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

actuality they are still LIES.
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
4. You kids come here for coffee often!
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:48 AM
May 2016

What a great way to start the day. Divide and conquer might be a better approach. Just sayin'.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Things weren't looking very good for Bernie BEFORE all this ...
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:57 AM
May 2016

... and the recent events only serve to damage his campaign and make him even MORE unpalatable. The end of his campaign can't come soon enough for me.

(Alerter: These are my personal opinions and personal observations)

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
11. Multiple independent reports from credible news sources.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:02 AM
May 2016

Got any video evidence of those reporters fabricating the story?

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
20. In a venue filled with cameras where is the video ?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

I don't care if you are impressed , does not that very fact bother you that in a venue filled with cameras there is apparently no recorded evidence ?

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
21. Doesn't bother me at all. Feel free to speculate if you want.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:14 AM
May 2016

My guess is that the Bernie people who shot those other videos shut down the cameras when the chair throwing started. But who knows. What we do know is that death threats were issued and chairs were thrown.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
23. If I felt free to speculate ...
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

I would get a job as a reporter for Washington Post ... or Brock . Good to see how low you standards of proof are .

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
25. NYT, WP, AP, others. Everywhere a conspiracy?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

Why do you think so many independent news outlets reported it if it didn't happen? Do you think the death threats were made up too? Do you think the video of calling Barbara Boxer a bitch was doctored?

How deep does this conspiracy go?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
26. The reporter's third cousin married a woman whose brother is a first year analysts at Goldman Sachs
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

It's all rotten, I tell you!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
45. Multiple independent news reports are likely using a single partisan "eyewitness"
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

Where's the video?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
49. What's true in my world is that you can't produce any substantial evidence.
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Sure, there were "eyewitnesses", just like there were "eyewitnesses" to Bernie bros chanting "English only". Of course, when video of that incident was released, it was proven to never have happened. In any case, where's the video of the chair throwing?

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
50. And also that Bernie's winning, right? Who do you think has more delegates?
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Cmon, you can admit it, you think it's Bernie, right?

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
10. I hate to rain on the parade, but has anyone seen the Clinton/Trump numbers today?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:02 AM
May 2016

I'm afraid there will come a time Democrats will be sorry for what they've done to Bernie.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
12. "What they've done to Bernie" is not vote for him. He's not entitled to any votes, you know.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

He had to earn them, and he didn't.

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
24. Smeared him
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:16 AM
May 2016

Hillary could never defeat Bernie on the issues, so Hillary's campaign had to lie about Bernie.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
37. The hell are you talking about?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

He's gone completely unscathed this primary, despite there being a lot of material out there she could use. She's hardly talked about him at all.

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
38. From day one, Bernie was accused of being everything
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

From a racist to a sexist to a rapist. Brock had all his talking points pre-prepared it seems.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
36. Do a little research if you want. The likely voter polls are more accurate than the adult polls or
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

registered voter polls. Also, the live phone polling is the state-of-the-art polling method. Don't take my word for it; get off your ass and look into the issue for yourself. It is not "poll truthing" - it's simply a matter of best practices.

You may have noticed that the polls have varied widely and many have been wildly inaccurate. This is largely because there has been a flood of cheap-to-produce buy wildly inaccurate polling by unproven methodologies.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
28. Oh calm down. Three weeks til the last big vote.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

Bernie won't be leaving between now and then. Save your pearl clutching and fairing couch.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
39. Hillary's camp caused this with NO RULES ADOPTED. Who wouldn't stand up?
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

Hillary's camp is folding right under her.....

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
40. That graph shows which camp is "folding" all right. So do the delegate totals. Have you checked
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

them recently? Is it 285 more for Hillary? Gotta love it!

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
42. Since Bernie hasn't denounced these tactics,
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:04 AM
May 2016

I can only believe he agrees with them. And that is despicable.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. Brocktacular repitition of brockagandist talking points "chair-throwing and death threats"
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
46. Bernie tried the "repeat the lie" thing, but it's not working anymore.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

His supporters have just gotten too ugly.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
48. We can agree that you repeating the lie is not working.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

Look at that! Common ground. Ebony and ivory.

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