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Nevada Democrats: Sanders Campaign Has Violent StreakBy MICHELLE RINDELS AND NICHOLAS RICCARDI, ASSOCIATED PRESS LAS VEGAS May 16, 2016, 8:39 PM ET
Nevada's Democratic party on Monday warned the Democratic National Committee that Sen. Bernie Sanders' supporters have a penchant for violence and may seek to disrupt the party's national convention in July, as they did during the Nevada convention Saturday.
The allegation is the latest fallout from a divisive Nevada Democratic convention that had to be shut down because security at the Paris Las Vegas hotel could no longer ensure order on Saturday night. The gathering closed with some Sanders supporters throwing chairs; later, some made death threats against state party chairwoman Roberta Lange.
Lange said she'd been receiving hundreds of profanity-laced calls and texts from inside and outside of the U.S., threatening her life and her family. Lange said the restaurant where she works has received so many calls it had to unplug the phone.
"It is endless, and the longer it goes the worse it gets," Lange said in an interview. "I feel threatened everywhere I go."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/nevada-democrats-sanders-campaign-violent-streak-39157813
brooklynite
(93,846 posts)Thrown chairs. Leaked cellphone numbers. Death threats spewed across the Internet.
No, this is not the work of Donald J. Trump supporters, some of whom have harassed critics of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. It was angry supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders who were directing their ire at the Nevada Democratic Party and its chairwoman, Roberta Lange over a state convention on Saturday that they think was emblematic of a rigged political system.
Its been vile, said Ms. Lange, who riled Sanders supporters by refusing their requests for rule changes at the event in Las Vegas. Its been threatening messages, threatening my family, threatening my life, threatening my grandchild.
The vicious response has come as millions of new voters, many of whom felt excluded by establishment politicians, have flocked to the insurgent campaigns of Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump has all but locked up the nomination, but many backers of Mr. Sanders remain enraged as his hopes of being the Democratic candidate dwindle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html?_r=0
I believe this is known as: "losing the news cycle"
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... again.
(Accusations of being on Brock's payroll in ... three ... two ... one ...)
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...You're just thrilled that people are angry at being cheated and the NYT is kissing up to power by making it seem random.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Might want to read this, Eric, before you post further on this topic. The Nevada State Democratic Party has formally informed the DNC of their belief that Bernie Sanders' own campaign planned and orchestrated the convention disruption for "sinister" purposes. Don't bother thinking they don't have evidence for their official and extremely serious charges. Every word will have been vetted by their attorneys.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention
Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and any other speaker. In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more than 12 hours. Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day.
Sparkly
(24,141 posts)"an incendiary, inaccurate, and wholly unauthorized minority report charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility."
Gasoline + match.
Terrible.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But WHY? Why did The Sanders Campaign do this? The NSDP believes they arrived intending to disrupt. It didn't start over the delegate issue. "Smirking" as it apparently played out to their satisfaction.
riversedge
(69,713 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But we know he has good fans, in fact most of his supporters are, all those who are focused on advancing our nation, not on a personality cult or opportunity for acting out hostility. "It" really needs to end well for the good ones because, after all, they are also "us." They may have to rethink things though, and I do feel for them.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)They must be terrible people who are angry for no reason.
It can't be that they're normal people who are angry at abuse of power.
(Sarcasm)
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)Not even creative.
Examples:
Thugs, Union Thugs, super predators. Protesters become terrorists or looters.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Response to YouDig (Reply #7)
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blackspade
(10,056 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I was really hoping he would go back to the senate with more clout. Not a chance at this point.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to destroy what the Democratic Party stands for.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton won. It's very well known at this point that Sanders tried to strong arm the will of the people. With what is known the Sanders spin machine isn't going to work.
There is also a trend that the Sanders campaign started early in the primaries.
Twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded. Clinton and O'Malley cleared. That was their standard from the start.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I care that NV Democratic Party cheated at the state convention by changing the rules with a phony voice vote.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You would then find out that the people are being properly represented.
So, what was the final count? I would like to see how the percentages moved to Clintons favor. Hint. They didn't. The will of the people was respected. Sanders tried to steal it and failed. Hence the flailing death threats. They got caught and are lashing out like children.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...solely on Election Day. Not have a 3 step process with cheating in step 3 to get the final delegate tally to correlate to Election Day.
DLCWIdem
(1,552 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...someone like Clinton can also win, and without the bitterness from the NV Democratic Party cheating in Step 3.
riversedge
(69,713 posts)not end well for sanders if he does not step up and condemn this behavior.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Unless he publicly condemns the violence, chaos and law breaking done in his name in Nevada.
And not a word from him yet about this fiasco.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not the way I wanted it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)isn't going to gain him acceptance if his colleagues believe he was personally behind what happened at the Nevada State Convention over 4 paltry votes.
I find that last idea sinister, to use the NSDP's word, btw. What could he be planning that a few votes in Nevada would be worth what they did there?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We should, however, begin to seriously question just what Bernie Sanders stands for.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think they have destroyed any shot at Sanders having influence. Moving forward it will be very similar to the old healthcare photo Sanders people like to show. Except it will be Sanders standing behind Clinton, Warren, and other progressives as they lead the way. He will be allowed in the photo for his vote, not his leadership.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)However, we'll still have to see what he might be able to do as an outsider with what he has started.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)If Clinton delegates were cheated and got angry, that wouldn't show a need to question what Clinton stands for.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)when Sanders stole a few delegates from her at the county convention.
You mean his people showed up. Then at the next round, having learned that his people show up, they found ways to disqualify them. At the county convention were Hillary delegates told they were disqualified for not having the right credentials all of the sudden? Were they denied the opportunity to clear it up with the committee responsible for confirming credentials? These two situations are apples and oranges.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)And for the record, 8 Hillary delegates were disqualified at the state convention under the same rules that disqualified Sanders delegates.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...you do see how what happened at the state level is odd, right? If you have time, here's a video summary of how it all went down:
stopbush
(24,376 posts)and applied them across the board.
Apparently, not knowing the rules means believing the rules don't apply to you if you support Sanders.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...and say you watched that whole video. If you don't see why people were upset and felt steamrolled, there's nothing more I can do.
stopbush
(24,376 posts)the same people Sanders has been telling the system is steam rolling them, and that they should be upset.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)As for Hillary, we know she stands for nothing but what she is told. Dolla bills dolla bills.
bernie_is_truth
(17 posts)Expect more like this. They're terrified that Her Highness won't step into the coronation to endless rounds of thunderous applause so they're lashing out in every way they can.
The power brokers are screaming for action, any action, and the DNC is responding as commanded.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Zorro
(15,691 posts)I'm expecting more violence from the "progressive" Bernazis.
bloom
(11,635 posts)Some of them - acting very similarly. Sad for them - it's sad for the process.