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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:00 AM May 2016

Nevada Democrats: Sanders Campaign Has Violent Streak

Nevada Democrats: Sanders Campaign Has Violent Streak
By MICHELLE RINDELS AND NICHOLAS RICCARDI, ASSOCIATED PRESS LAS VEGAS — May 16, 2016, 8:39 PM ET


Nevada's Democratic party on Monday warned the Democratic National Committee that Sen. Bernie Sanders' supporters have a penchant for violence and may seek to disrupt the party's national convention in July, as they did during the Nevada convention Saturday.

The allegation is the latest fallout from a divisive Nevada Democratic convention that had to be shut down because security at the Paris Las Vegas hotel could no longer ensure order on Saturday night. The gathering closed with some Sanders supporters throwing chairs; later, some made death threats against state party chairwoman Roberta Lange.

Lange said she'd been receiving hundreds of profanity-laced calls and texts from inside and outside of the U.S., threatening her life and her family. Lange said the restaurant where she works has received so many calls it had to unplug the phone.

"It is endless, and the longer it goes the worse it gets," Lange said in an interview. "I feel threatened everywhere I go."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/nevada-democrats-sanders-campaign-violent-streak-39157813
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Nevada Democrats: Sanders Campaign Has Violent Streak (Original Post) workinclasszero May 2016 OP
Also appearing in the New York Times... brooklynite May 2016 #1
I believe you're correct... NurseJackie May 2016 #4
It doesn't matter that the NV DNC Chair cheated. Eric J in MN May 2016 #6
NV State DP letter accuses THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN. Hortensis May 2016 #13
"easily-incensed delegates" Sparkly May 2016 #35
A charge no doubt 100% provable in court. Hortensis May 2016 #37
No way this can end well for Sanders and his fans. riversedge May 2016 #31
Oh, boy! For some for sure... Hortensis May 2016 #41
Look at the angry people at the George W. Bush inaugural parade. Eric J in MN May 2016 #2
I believe this is known as "propaganda" Teamster Jeff May 2016 #3
When protestors issue death threats and throw chairs, they become rioters. YouDig May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #9
What a load of bullshit. blackspade May 2016 #5
So sad that Sanders supporters are destroying everything he stands for. NCTraveler May 2016 #8
+1 JoePhilly May 2016 #10
So sad that the NV Democratic Party abused its power Eric J in MN May 2016 #11
What is the final delegate count coming out of NV? NCTraveler May 2016 #12
I don't care who got more delegates from Nevada. Eric J in MN May 2016 #17
Maybe it would help if you did know. NCTraveler May 2016 #21
Nevada should determine its delegates based Eric J in MN May 2016 #23
On election Day Clinton won DLCWIdem May 2016 #34
I know. If Nevada switches to a one-step process Eric J in MN May 2016 #43
It was the rude, vile behavior of many of the Sanders fans that is causing the chaos. This will riversedge May 2016 #32
He will be a pariah in the Senate workinclasszero May 2016 #14
That's what I'm thinking. NCTraveler May 2016 #16
Not what I hoped for, but merely condemning it Hortensis May 2016 #24
They cannot and are not destroying progressivism. Hortensis May 2016 #15
I don't think they are destroying progressivism. NCTraveler May 2016 #18
Agree. Unfortunately, I now believe that is a good thing. Hortensis May 2016 #22
People get angry when they're cheated. Eric J in MN May 2016 #19
You didn't see this kind of behavior from the Clinton delegates stopbush May 2016 #26
Stole? TCJ70 May 2016 #27
Just using the terminology the BSers use. stopbush May 2016 #28
OK, but you're applying it to a situation where it very clearly doesn't apply... TCJ70 May 2016 #30
The NDP simply applied the rules that were in place for months stopbush May 2016 #33
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt... TCJ70 May 2016 #36
The people who were upset and felt steamrolled were Sanders supporters, stopbush May 2016 #40
and at the same time, destroying everything hllary's bosses stand for. timmymoff May 2016 #25
DNC is scared and lashing out bernie_is_truth May 2016 #20
they know their right wing in sheepdip charade is running out of road reddread May 2016 #29
True. Zorro May 2016 #39
Sanders supporters taking lessons from Trump supporters bloom May 2016 #38
*yawn* frylock May 2016 #42
that is: if they don't get their way they'll have a tantrum...oh excuse me. that's called enthusiasm Bill USA May 2016 #44

brooklynite

(93,846 posts)
1. Also appearing in the New York Times...
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016
From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates

Thrown chairs. Leaked cellphone numbers. Death threats spewed across the Internet.

No, this is not the work of Donald J. Trump supporters, some of whom have harassed critics of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. It was angry supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders who were directing their ire at the Nevada Democratic Party — and its chairwoman, Roberta Lange — over a state convention on Saturday that they think was emblematic of a rigged political system.

“It’s been vile,” said Ms. Lange, who riled Sanders supporters by refusing their requests for rule changes at the event in Las Vegas. “It’s been threatening messages, threatening my family, threatening my life, threatening my grandchild.”

The vicious response has come as millions of new voters, many of whom felt excluded by establishment politicians, have flocked to the insurgent campaigns of Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump has all but locked up the nomination, but many backers of Mr. Sanders remain enraged as his hopes of being the Democratic candidate dwindle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html?_r=0


I believe this is known as: "losing the news cycle"

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. I believe you're correct...
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

... again.


(Accusations of being on Brock's payroll in ... three ... two ... one ...)

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
6. It doesn't matter that the NV DNC Chair cheated.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

...You're just thrilled that people are angry at being cheated and the NYT is kissing up to power by making it seem random.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. NV State DP letter accuses THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

Might want to read this, Eric, before you post further on this topic. The Nevada State Democratic Party has formally informed the DNC of their belief that Bernie Sanders' own campaign planned and orchestrated the convention disruption for "sinister" purposes. Don't bother thinking they don't have evidence for their official and extremely serious charges. Every word will have been vetted by their attorneys.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention

The explosive situation arose in large part because a portion of the community of Sanders delegates arrived at the Nevada Democratic State Convention believing itself to be a vanguard intent upon sparking a street-fight rather than attending an orderly political party process.

Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and any other speaker. In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more than 12 hours. Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day.


The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos it did much to create and nothing to diminish or mitigate. It was clear to the NSDP that part of the approach by the Sanders Campaign was to employ these easily-incensed delegates as shock troops to sway the convention proceedings. At the very least, these delegates became a way for the Sanders Campaign to seek the advantage of disruption at any particular moment while trying to disavow any responsibility for their actions even as it was ongoing. At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little more than shrugs and smirks.



The most egregious instance of the Sanders Campaign inciting disruption—and yes, violence—came as the State Convention’s Credentials Committee completed its work. Adam Gillette, part of National Delegate Operations Team for the official Sanders Campaign, drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary, inaccurate, and wholly unauthorized “minority report” charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility. The final delegate count had provided the Clinton Campaign with a 33 delegate advantage in the hall; one can imagine the rage occasioned by this inflammatory charge, tossed into the tinderbox of a tense convention hall. Not only did this discredit the work of the Credentials Committee—which featured five Sanders delegates and five Clinton delegates and a Sanders co-chair, and who worked all day under extremely trying conditions to be fair and diligent in their duties—it called into question the entirety of the proceedings because it indicated to an irrational minority that the proceedings had been rigged against them. Forcing their way onto the dais to deliver this paranoid fantasy of fraud and delegate theft was clearly intended to throw the proceedings into disarray. It succeeded. From that moment on, there was little hope for any peace or mutual understanding and respect between Sanders delegates and the NSDP; the mantra became simply that the convention had been stolen from the Sanders Campaign. Never mind that six of the 64 potential Sanders delegates referenced had been seated after investigation, or that most of the remaining 58 potential delegates had been disqualified—appropriately, and by a panel evenly split between the campaigns—for not being registered Democratic voters in Nevada. Never mind that the same Credentials Committee had disqualified Clinton delegates for various reasons as well. Never mind, further, that just eight of those 64 potential Sanders delegates even attempted to register for the State Convention. All that mattered was the creation of a narrative of fraud and dispossession, which the Sanders Campaign fomented intentionally for its own political gain. This was an unconscionable act by an official Sanders Campaign representative, with full knowledge of its likely impact on the convention.


The people who fostered, encouraged, and gained from the unsettling scenes at the Nevada State Democratic Convention bring dishonor and discredit to our state and national parties. Having seen up close the lack of conscience or concern for the ramifications of their actions—indeed, the glee with which they engaged in such destructive behavior—we expect similar tactics at the National Convention in July. We therefore formally complain to the DNC regarding these unfortunate events, and warn the body that the goal of many of these individuals, sanctioned or encouraged by the Sanders Campaign, is not party-building but something more sinister and unproductive. Their tactics speak for themselves, and have no place in our political process as Democrats.

Sparkly

(24,141 posts)
35. "easily-incensed delegates"
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

"an incendiary, inaccurate, and wholly unauthorized “minority report” charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility."

Gasoline + match.

Terrible.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. A charge no doubt 100% provable in court.
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

But WHY? Why did The Sanders Campaign do this? The NSDP believes they arrived intending to disrupt. It didn't start over the delegate issue. "Smirking" as it apparently played out to their satisfaction.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Oh, boy! For some for sure...
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

But we know he has good fans, in fact most of his supporters are, all those who are focused on advancing our nation, not on a personality cult or opportunity for acting out hostility. "It" really needs to end well for the good ones because, after all, they are also "us." They may have to rethink things though, and I do feel for them.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
2. Look at the angry people at the George W. Bush inaugural parade.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

They must be terrible people who are angry for no reason.

It can't be that they're normal people who are angry at abuse of power.

(Sarcasm)

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
3. I believe this is known as "propaganda"
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

Not even creative.

Examples:

Thugs, Union Thugs, super predators. Protesters become terrorists or looters.

Response to YouDig (Reply #7)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. So sad that Sanders supporters are destroying everything he stands for.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

I was really hoping he would go back to the senate with more clout. Not a chance at this point.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
11. So sad that the NV Democratic Party abused its power
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

...to destroy what the Democratic Party stands for.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. What is the final delegate count coming out of NV?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Clinton won. It's very well known at this point that Sanders tried to strong arm the will of the people. With what is known the Sanders spin machine isn't going to work.

There is also a trend that the Sanders campaign started early in the primaries.

Twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded. Clinton and O'Malley cleared. That was their standard from the start.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
17. I don't care who got more delegates from Nevada.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

I care that NV Democratic Party cheated at the state convention by changing the rules with a phony voice vote.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. Maybe it would help if you did know.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

You would then find out that the people are being properly represented.

So, what was the final count? I would like to see how the percentages moved to Clintons favor. Hint. They didn't. The will of the people was respected. Sanders tried to steal it and failed. Hence the flailing death threats. They got caught and are lashing out like children.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
23. Nevada should determine its delegates based
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:56 AM
May 2016

...solely on Election Day. Not have a 3 step process with cheating in step 3 to get the final delegate tally to correlate to Election Day.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
43. I know. If Nevada switches to a one-step process
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

...someone like Clinton can also win, and without the bitterness from the NV Democratic Party cheating in Step 3.

riversedge

(69,713 posts)
32. It was the rude, vile behavior of many of the Sanders fans that is causing the chaos. This will
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

not end well for sanders if he does not step up and condemn this behavior.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. He will be a pariah in the Senate
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

Unless he publicly condemns the violence, chaos and law breaking done in his name in Nevada.

And not a word from him yet about this fiasco.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Not what I hoped for, but merely condemning it
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

isn't going to gain him acceptance if his colleagues believe he was personally behind what happened at the Nevada State Convention over 4 paltry votes.

I find that last idea sinister, to use the NSDP's word, btw. What could he be planning that a few votes in Nevada would be worth what they did there?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. They cannot and are not destroying progressivism.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

We should, however, begin to seriously question just what Bernie Sanders stands for.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. I don't think they are destroying progressivism.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

I think they have destroyed any shot at Sanders having influence. Moving forward it will be very similar to the old healthcare photo Sanders people like to show. Except it will be Sanders standing behind Clinton, Warren, and other progressives as they lead the way. He will be allowed in the photo for his vote, not his leadership.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Agree. Unfortunately, I now believe that is a good thing.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

However, we'll still have to see what he might be able to do as an outsider with what he has started.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
19. People get angry when they're cheated.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

If Clinton delegates were cheated and got angry, that wouldn't show a need to question what Clinton stands for.

stopbush

(24,376 posts)
26. You didn't see this kind of behavior from the Clinton delegates
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

when Sanders stole a few delegates from her at the county convention.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
27. Stole?
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

You mean his people showed up. Then at the next round, having learned that his people show up, they found ways to disqualify them. At the county convention were Hillary delegates told they were disqualified for not having the right credentials all of the sudden? Were they denied the opportunity to clear it up with the committee responsible for confirming credentials? These two situations are apples and oranges.

stopbush

(24,376 posts)
28. Just using the terminology the BSers use.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

And for the record, 8 Hillary delegates were disqualified at the state convention under the same rules that disqualified Sanders delegates.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
30. OK, but you're applying it to a situation where it very clearly doesn't apply...
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

...you do see how what happened at the state level is odd, right? If you have time, here's a video summary of how it all went down:

stopbush

(24,376 posts)
33. The NDP simply applied the rules that were in place for months
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

and applied them across the board.

Apparently, not knowing the rules means believing the rules don't apply to you if you support Sanders.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
36. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

...and say you watched that whole video. If you don't see why people were upset and felt steamrolled, there's nothing more I can do.

stopbush

(24,376 posts)
40. The people who were upset and felt steamrolled were Sanders supporters,
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

the same people Sanders has been telling the system is steam rolling them, and that they should be upset.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
25. and at the same time, destroying everything hllary's bosses stand for.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

As for Hillary, we know she stands for nothing but what she is told. Dolla bills dolla bills.

 

bernie_is_truth

(17 posts)
20. DNC is scared and lashing out
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Expect more like this. They're terrified that Her Highness won't step into the coronation to endless rounds of thunderous applause so they're lashing out in every way they can.

The power brokers are screaming for action, any action, and the DNC is responding as commanded.

bloom

(11,635 posts)
38. Sanders supporters taking lessons from Trump supporters
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

Some of them - acting very similarly. Sad for them - it's sad for the process.

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