The Superdelegates to Bernie's Supporters: We Will NOT be Bullied

[LaydeeBug]

Last edited Tue May 17, 2016, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Superdelegates are getting profanity laced messages with threats of violence for their support of Hillary Clinton. Lots of messages abound referencing the 1968 Democratic Convention and alluding to a violent confrontation.

They are in their last throes. With each passing primary/caucus, he is NOT reaching his goal. If you notice, he is actually changing his rhetoric a bit, because the time will come for him to throw his support behind the presumptive nominee. As he tones it down, some of his "supporters" are ratcheting up. I put supporters in quotes because I really think a lot of this trouble comes from interlopers pretending to be Bernie supporters. They *act* too much like Trump people for me to think otherwise.

**REAL** Democrats don't pull this shit. This is why the superdelegates are being *VERY* clear: they will not be bullied.

And *WE* won't be either.


(edit: typo)

[LWolf]

1. Sanders supporters to

the neo-liberal establishment, the Clinton campaign, and her supporters:

We will NOT be bullied. And we ARE "REAL" Democrats.

[LaydeeBug]

4. You *aren't* being bullied. You are being *beaten*. There's a difference. nt

[JackInGreen]

9. Ah yes

I remember the difference now...
I'll remember that next time I'm being beaten that it's not bullying, just a good old fashioned country ass whooping and I should remember my place.

[Hortensis]

47. It's democracy. Being outvoted is not being bullied.

And those don't like getting sprayed with criticism should back away from those who are behaving badly.

[pangaia]

126. NO! it is NOT democracy. That is the issue...

[underthematrix]

153. Your place is to do your part to make sure

we get a DEM in the WH and retake the House and Senate. Your place is to VOTE BLUE no matter what.

[LWolf]

10. Oh, bullshit.

I notice you chose to use a word with violent connotations.

I will clearly tell you that this woman is not a victim, and does not get "beaten."

But your efforts to "beat" me verbally are noted, as they are tossed to the round file for junk mail.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. The Oklahoma City Thunder "beat" the Golden State Warriors 108-102 last night.

http://www.nba.com/games/20160516/OKCGSW/gameinfo.html?ls=eref:google:1b:post


Does my description have "violent connotations " ?


Thank you in advance.

[LWolf]

24. No. It does not. You're welcome. nt

[Dawgs]

48. Electing a president is not a fucking basketball game.

Are you guys for real?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Non sequitur. We were discussing the meaning of the word "beat"

[Sheepshank]

127. Hey Everyone: here you have the very example of "manufactured outrage", we read about all the time.

looking for offense, is an art. Well, not really and art, but an art form. Well, not really an art form as much as a pain in the ass.

[WhiteTara]

51. How about, your candidate is losing

[LWolf]

88. While the polls aren't closed here at home,

and there's still a lot to be counted in Kentucky, I believe my candidate is doing just fine today.

[WhiteTara]

90. Are there 500 delegates to be divided in Kentucky?

that's how many are needed for your candidate to win. Even if he wins Kentucky, he is still losing.

[LWolf]

91. A win is a win,

and I'll be happy with it.

[WhiteTara]

93. oops. This one is a loss. nt

[LaydeeBug]

59. Spare me your sanctimony.

Being *beaten* in an election is not the same as violence against women, and you damn well know it,

[LWolf]

89. It's all in your tone.

Sanctimony, lol.

[LaydeeBug]

98. I see you sought nuance when you should have focused on basic math skills.

but good luck with that

[lapfog_1]

54. so if Hillary is winning so decisively

why bother posting anything about superdelegates?

Seriously, are you secretly jealous of Bernie Sanders support?

Let the primaries finish, have the vote at the convention, move on to the general.

If you are so confident of victory, you might have even counseled the Nevada Democratic party to seat all of the Bernie delegates and not changed the rules... let Bernie win an extra 4 delegates (or whatever the number might have been) and simply moved on without all the fuss. After all, since Hillary is so far ahead and Bernie is so beaten (your phrase), why not be magnanimous in winning?

[LaydeeBug]

60. I do not contort to "if/then" scenarios. I won't be bullied into that sort of parameter.

Math is math. Hillary will be the nominee.

[lapfog_1]

63. you are trying so hard to believe that, aren't you?

if you really believed it, there would be no reason to state it.

[LaydeeBug]

64. I don't need to *try*, the TRUTH does suffice.

If you really believed your statement, you have no reason to reply at all, but if you reply, I can tell that you are having a hard time with what you say you believe.

LMFAO.

[puffy socks]

76. So Sanders supporters don't believe anything they post?

Because "if you really believed it, there would be no reason to state it."
right?

[lapfog_1]

77. pretty much

You won't find posts from me about whether or not Bernie should stay in the race. That's up to Bernie and his campaign.

[LaydeeBug]

105. 90% of success is showing up. Too bad Bernie's delegates didn't show. nt

[LaydeeBug]

110. No. I'm not

[LaydeeBug]

113. No. Really. And the math does indeed favor her. Too bad that upsets you

I wish you well with that.

[LaydeeBug]

117. Oh, yes the math *does*.

A good start for you *might* be to try not to conflate delegate math with polling ratios.

As you may or may not have gleaned from this primary process, the *only* poll that matters is the one on election day.

Good luck with that.

[LaydeeBug]

123. Math is math...and you BEST BELIEVE I'll see you there

me and mine *wouldn't* *miss* it.

And we're ready.

[LaydeeBug]

125. Not a problem sweets. So will we.

He lost this thing a while ago, and now it's gonna BURN. LOL

[LaydeeBug]

135. Oh, I'm NOT dreaming. In *reality*, I am PREPARED.

See you at the convention. Really.

No.

REALLY.

Because we've won, and we are NOT backing down. So, see you there

[LaydeeBug]

137. LOL! Look who's dreaming now?

[LaydeeBug]

139. ...going absolutely nowhere.

and she is *still* beating him.

[LaydeeBug]

141. Yes I do.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/05/email-scandal-crushed-fbi-finds-evidence-clinton-broke-law-private-email.html

[LaydeeBug]

145. I am glad you are entertained...that's about as far as it's gonna go

and you know it.

[LaydeeBug]

147. No need. She's already won nt

[LaydeeBug]

160. I like that you keep kicking my *awesome* thread about the WINNER

because come November, the Democratic nominee will NOT be Bernie. Feel it.

[Bonobo]

150. Filthy, scummy Nixonian behavior. nt

[Bonobo]

152. Agreed. nt

[JackInGreen]

2. Good luck in the GE

It'll be a hell of a loss. Take that to your super-delegates, put it in your pipe, and sit on it.

[LaydeeBug]

5. Thanks. I take it the Dem nominee won't have your support? nt

[JackInGreen]

6. My support is mine to provide or withold

But it's about as Nunya as my jock measurement.

[GulfCoast66]

34. Nunya?? LOL!

Where are we? 7th grade?

[JackInGreen]

42. You're tell me

I'm the one fielding the 'you say you love Miss Hilly, or you love Donald doody head and want us all to have his cooties' school yard purity questions.

[GulfCoast66]

44. LOL

[LaydeeBug]

67. so *that's* why you brought up your jock strap?

O-kay.

[LaydeeBug]

66. Perhaps you should review this website's rules. nt

[JackInGreen]

92. The websites rules say that I need to tell you?

Please, continue.

[LaydeeBug]

95. Perhaps just tell yourself that math is math.

and then there's no need to continue.

[rbrnmw]

82. I doubt anyone cares about your "measurement" enough to ask

why say something like that?

[basselope]

86. Depends who they are.

[NurseJackie]

3. They keep trying the same failed tactics over and over ...

... and appear to be genuinely surprised that the outcome isn't as they expected. Interesting.



(Alerter: This is my personal opinion and my personal observation.)

[Snotcicles]

7. I don't believe it. nt

[spinbaby]

8. Yeah, they can't be bullied.

But they sure can be bought, and were bought and paid for before the primaries even started.

[LaydeeBug]

12. Oh *I* know...if she wins, it's fraud, and if he wins, it's a revolution. nt

[LaydeeBug]

107. 90% of success is showing up. Too bad Bernie's delegates didn't bother. nt

[LaydeeBug]

112. This November, I am happy to support the DEMOCRATIC nominee. Too bad you won't

but that isn't my concern. "Math" is.

[LaydeeBug]

120. Mmm Hmmm MATH is why Bernie won't be the one. nt

[BlueLouisville]

11. Cool story...

Clinton fans GOOD, Sanders fans EVIL. Super delegates are on the way out so enjoy them while you can.

[LaydeeBug]

15. True story

I even went so far as to say I don't think the worst examples are really Bernie supporters, but interlopers.

But hey, if you need an "either/or" or an "if/then", and everything is black or white to you, that shows where your problem is, and I wish you luck in the growth needed to fix it.



(on edit: I decided not to be profane for once)

[BlueLouisville]

27. You assume far too much from a simple post...

Continue pontificating about superdelegates and the inner fortitude they display by supporting Hillary Clinton against those mean Bernie Sanders supporters.

[LaydeeBug]

61. Honey, I didn't assume a single thing, but that didn't stop YOU

from thinking you could assign things.

Funny that.

[BlueLouisville]

84. All snark no substance.

[LaydeeBug]

100. and how.

[BlueLouisville]

118. I think your last post proved my point...

You claim superdelegates are being bullied by average Joe Voter, which is absurd. Superdelegates are quite literally some of the most powerful people in this country. For example Bill Clinton is a superdelegate along with countless other politicians and power players. Are you seriously trying say Bernie Sanders voters are bullying the most powerful people in this country? It's an absurd claim on its face. If there were constant death threats against elected officials why hasn't one person been arrested. Are people leaving messages with burner phones or sophisticated software that's allowed them to go undetected. Are they using super secret e-mail accounts that law enforcement can't trace back to an I.P. address? If there's such a fear of Sanders supporters why hasn't at least one of them been arrested? The truth is the only people truly bullying anyone are Clinton and her surrogates, state party leaders, national party leaders, etc. They speak in flippant and condescending tone towards Sanders supporters. Party leaders institute last minute rule changes without following proper protocol which unfairly favor Sec. Clinton. They ignore valid motions, they pretend voice votes favored their motion even though they clearly they don't and lastly they jam pack rules committees with officials who favor a certain candidate. They constantly berate and chide Sanders voters as sexist, racist, young, stupid, angry and violent without anything but innuendo and supposition. Sanders supporters boo an undemocratic process and say nasty things to highly paid professionals and politicians for their part in said undemocratic process. Sending death threats is over the line but I find it odd that nobody has been arrested with all these reports of people threatening to kill publicly elected officials. Maybe it's Sanders fans making those calls to the Nevada Chair but it's also possible it's not Sanders supporters. Sanders campaign has been constantly gaslit during this primary. The entire 'unqualified' thing was a product of the Clinton campaign using semantics to avoid calling Sanders 'unqualified' directly but it was the clear insinuation. Hell Hillary did the same thing in 2008 only she said Obama was unqualified herself. They've distorted Sanders record on guns, the auto bailout and numerous other issues. Clinton has gone so far as to dump dead children on Bernie for not voting to allow Sandy Hook victims to sue gun manufactures. Of course Adam Lanza stole weapons from a lawful gun owner and the guns worked properly, so what exactly is the basis of the lawsuit. All of these things I've brought up are straight bullying tactics. You blithely ignore bullying tactics from your side while condemn the other side. Bullying required power to be an effective strategy. Sanders voters are frustrated because they're basically powerless, which is the hallmark of almost all victims of bullying. The only people capable of bullying anyone are people with power and that resides with the very people you claim are being bullied. Power people are almost never the victims of a bully but in fact they're almost always the bully. You aren't standing up to bullies you're actually supporting bullies. You seem oblivious to this fact and you can post all sorts of witty and snarky comments but color me unimpressed by your whole sch tick

[LaydeeBug]

119. as I think YOUR last post proved mine. nt

[BlueLouisville]

149. Do you enjoy living under bridges?

[LaydeeBug]

164. I am not sure why where I live is relevant to the discussion

But I *know* you weren't trying to imply anything with that.

[NorthCarolina]

13. They're probably receiving them from camp Hillary...for "insurance". -nt-

[Snotcicles]

22. Brock/Rovian Insurance Co. est. 1994. nt

[Gavile]

14. The Establishment complaining about being bullied by the little people

Priceless.

[LaydeeBug]

16. except the establishment is what tried to ruin her

it didn't work.

[notadmblnd]

21. HA HA, now you're trying to pretend Hillary is not establishment?

Do any of her campaign people have even one original thought of their own?

[LaydeeBug]

62. Why yes, her people do have original thoughts...see how their delegate

strategy is beating your guy? No? Oh, you *will*. lol

[notadmblnd]

71. Cheating isn't winning

There's not a damn thing HRC says that she hasn't co-opted from Sanders.

[LaydeeBug]

73. Oh *I* know...if she wins, it's fraud, and if he wins, it's a revolution. nt

[notadmblnd]

74. If you say so.

[Orsino]

163. +1

The Citizens United circle is complete. Now Democrats are echoing the Right's eternal victimhood narrative.

[B Calm]

17. Who's being the bully?

[notadmblnd]

19. Bullshit. HRC has lready bullied and threatened you all for her support

Promised some of you all money, then reneged on too-it I hear. Buying votes, threatening non support in their elections, being put on her enemy hit list. No wonder you all support her.

[stevenleser]

50. Do you actually believe the nonsense you just wrote?

I get many of you are angry that you are losing but I can't believe you have actually convinced yourselves that the ridiculous stuff you post is true.

[notadmblnd]

72. Right. Hillary is such a poor poor vicitm

Innocent as the day she was born. Pure as the driven snow

My ass. She's nothing but a devious shyster.

shy·ster
ˈSHīstər/
nouninformal
noun: shyster; plural noun: shysters

a person, especially a lawyer, who uses unscrupulous, fraudulent, or deceptive methods in business.

[stevenleser]

99. What you wrote does not apply to my response. My question stands. Do you actually believe the

nonsense you wrote?

[Bobbie Jo]

20. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

23. How many of those 'Superdelegates' voted for DOMA, a bully's vote if ever there was one?

Many of them cast that bigoted vote. Camp Clinton has touted the DOMA voters who endorse her. They stand proudly with them.
Several more of these delegates voted for the Iraq War, in which our country bullied Iraq over 9-11 which Iraq did not do.

It's odd that such persons think they are being bullied, with all the bullying they have done and all their money and status. 'Yes I voted that some minorities have no civil rights, but I'm the one being bullied!!!'

Also, those delegates are actually called unpledged or uncommitted delegates in the language of the Party regulations. The fact that they want to call themselves 'Supers' indicates part of the problem with their abuse of that role.

I understand that Clinton supporters are the DOMA branch of the Party, back in the day they are the brand of Democrats that opposed LGBT rights along with the Republicans and so to them those bigoted voters are heroes, much like they lionize Ron and Nancy Reagan, wrongfully but so passionately.

[LiberalFighter]

26. Not all of those delegates are elected members of Congress.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Did I say that they are? No. So why not respond to what I said? Evasion is a form of

dishonesty. I know exactly what positions are held by the unpledged delegates in our Party. 193 Representatives, 47 Senators, 21 Governors, 20 'distinguished members' such as ex Presidents and VPs and former Congressional leaders.
That's 281 persons who could have and in many cases did vote for DOMA who now whine about being 'bullied'.

Did you think you were teaching me something with your condescending snark?

[LiberalFighter]

32. So I am suppose to give you a response you want with your attitude?

BTW not all of them were in office when DOMA was passed. That also includes President Obama who is also one of those delegates.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. My attitude? Check your verbiage. I said my piece and your response was to lecture me

that not all the 'supers' are Members of Congress. All I'm asking is for a response to what I actually said, not lessons on the nature of Democratic delegates.

My question: How many of those delegates voted for DOMA? There is an answer as many of them did, bullies that they are, bigoted actions are what they took. Many of them. You obviously do not know how many, and as I said I assume that the Reagan Democrats of the DOMA branch of the Party don't care. And you have demonstrated that you don't care even enough to make an honest response.
Your attempt to bully me for not supporting your bullies is shallow stuff.

How many of the delegates you are promoting voted for DOMA? You don't know because you don't care, and the fact that I mention their actual nature, flawed, partisan self serving and often bigoted bothers you and causes you to lash out at me. And that's my point. You can't bully me into silence, will not happen.

[LiberalFighter]

52. Why are you focusing on one issue?

And why are you focusing on that issue when a larger group of Democrats came out back in 2013 to overturn DOMA? Would you rather they had not fought to overturn it?

Since you are so concerned about how many voted for DOMA it is on you to gather the data and provide the source. But again what is important is where they stand now on that issue. Not back when DOMA was passed. Most of those congressional members from that time period are no longer members of Congress. Yet it appears you want to lump the current ones altogether as one because they are supporting Clinton.

BTW I did not bully you. I have also not been promoting any delegates. You are making a lot of accusations against me without any support of it. Your concept of bullies is astounding.

[LiberalFighter]

25. Continue to bully the superdelegates and see how Sanders will win.

Threats and violence does not work.

[BlueLouisville]

28. Can you provide on link to a confirmed Sanders supporter threating violence?

Surely they were arrested and it's part of public record.

[LiberalFighter]

30. Here is one

Several Sanders backers have condemned some of the threats against Lange and other actions Saturday. Former state assemblywoman Lucy Flores, a current congressional candidate, said in a statement: "There were actions over the weekend and at the Democratic convention that very clearly crossed the line. Progressives need to speak out against those: Making threats against someone's life, defacing private property, and hurling vulgar language at our female leaders." [link:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics

Lange said she'd been receiving hundreds of profanity-laced calls and texts from inside and outside of the U.S., threatening her life and her family. Lange said the restaurant where she works has received so many calls it had to unplug the phone.

ABC News

[BlueLouisville]

37. That's not confirmation... it's more supposition from the Clinton camp.

I'm not disputing Sanders fans and how annoying they can be. If death threats are being sent via phone, e-mail, etc. it would have been tracked and somebody would have been arrested; especially if they are threatening elected officials. I'm skeptical until there's a confirmed arrest. Yes, they yelled at Barbara Boxer but that's not a crime, is it proper decorum... no of course not, but it comes with the territory when you're an elected official. This looks like gaslighting to me.

[TheFarS1de]

29. They won't be bullied with different opinions ( the horror )...

however they are easily bought

[Iliyah]

33. Threats are dangerous and some people wonder why SDs are not

flocking to BS? Some comments on DU reflects how horrid bullying can be.

It's not a matter of good vs. evil, it's a matter of respect for people who support another Democratic Party's candidate. Liberals/progressive understand that.

[pinebox]

35. What do you expect when lobbyists are Superdelegates?

[larkrake]

131. election in the can

not democratic at all

[ViseGrip]

36. They will not be bullied into supporting the VOTERS CHOICE? Who's the bully?

[seabeyond]

39. Clinton by almost a 1000 delegates, over 3 million votes. You get that right? Oh wait, no you don't

[seabeyond]

38. Good. A bunch of little kid tantrums. Do not give in to this absurdity of a collective national

tantrum.

[NorthCarolina]

40. They should tell Brock to cease and desist then

and have his minions concentrate just on the social media front instead.

[Jester Messiah]

43. It's "bullying" when we fight back. Got it. n/t

[RATM435]

45. That's because they are bought and paid for.

[HumanityExperiment]

46. Crystal clear...

The national convention will be in the very bright public spotlight with MSM covering it non stop, now consider what went down in NV and how establishment went about trashing the rules to push their agenda... take that moment and factor in neither candidate will have enough delegates to earn nomination without SDs...

SDs are hyper sensitive to public pressure so what you call 'bully' is actually the more vocal and active contingent coming at ya during the convention... care to guess which side that will be and whom they support?

grab your popcorn folks, this is about to get very interesting and there's NOTHING the establishment can do to STOP it

[NorthCarolina]

53. Their issue is with David Brock then, not Bernie supporters. -nt-

[HooptieWagon]

55. No link of course....

Looks like a straw man argument....

[azurnoir]

56. The supers from my state are saying loud and clear "we don't give a sh*t who you voted for"

14 out of 17 for Hillary in a state that voted 62% for Bernie 38% for Hillary

[LaydeeBug]

78. sorry to disappoint you, but Sanders is behind by EVERY standard

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/democratic-superdelegate-math-sanders-clinton/index.html?sr=fbpol051716democratic-superdelegate-math-sanders-clinton0101AMStoryLink&linkId=24574517

[azurnoir]

79. as I said the supers in my state are voting against the people of my state

you can cite all the math in the world it doesn't change the fact this process is corrupt, in fact it re enforces that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10594756

[sadoldgirl]

57. Well, I live in a purple state, which voted

heavily for Bernie. My vote for rep and Senator
depend on how they vote at the convention.
I don't threaten, I don't bully, but I just may refuse
them my vote.

[SheenaR]

58. Real Democrats don't pull this shit?

Yes, usually we just sit back and take it

Not anymore.

And before you think I am some crazed Independent Trump supporter, I have always been a Democrat and worked closely with a Presidential candidate during a previous campaign. You know, how real Democrats do it.

[insta8er]

65. And the Clinton spin machine keeps on spinning spinning spinning.

[frylock]

68. Dearest superedelegates. F.O.

[VulgarPoet]

69. Sure, hiding behind jackboots and brown shirted armed guards

So much for being against gun control and for democracy. This party can screw off once the GE's done-- I don't consort with fascists.

[LaydeeBug]

70. We are not hiding behind ANYTHING, we are STANDING UP

and refusing to be bullied. Hillary won this thing. Math is math.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. What are the qulifications for "real" Democrats? DNA testing? Secret decoder rings? Loyalty Oaths?

DNC logos on their underwear?

Is it like "Real Men"? "Real Coke"? "Real Tough"? "Real Nice"? "Real Loyal"?

Do tell.

[Maru Kitteh]

80. K & R

[Bill USA]

81. "real Democrats don't pull this shit" .......COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!

[Splinter Cell]

83. "Superdelegates" are undemocratic bullshit.

Period.

[larkrake]

130. Couldnt agree more, its cheating

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. When you hold the power of 3000 actual voters, you ARE the bullies. n/t

[LiberalElite]

87. If you all are "real" Democrats

I can't wait to not be one.

[beachbumbob]

94. Thank you sander supporters!!!! No super delegates will switch from

Threats and intimidation .....

[Surya Gayatri]

96. "**REAL** Democrats don't pull this shit."

That says it all.

[MrMickeysMom]

97. That's a joke, right?

Super-Delegates not being bullies themselves?

The REAL Democratic party wouldn't HAVE stooped to the un-democratic rule OF Super-Delegates. There is no logic there in your post.

[AuntPatsy]

101. No perhaps not but they can be bought

[synergie]

102. They're not very bright are they? I hope the feel the consequences of their unhinged cirminal

actions. What twisted distorted notions of how democracy works. When you don't get your way, stalk, threaten and harass people and target their children! Utterly psychotic.

[whirlygigspin]

108. just keep banging that gavel...

you're a winner baby!

[synergie]

116. You will be hearing gavels being banged, death threats and other BS antics are criminal.

All that losing doesn't make you a winner, baby, no matter what you insist on banging.

Facts are hard, and reality can't actually be denied. Own up to what the BS campaign is about violence and threatening women and children.

[lumberjack_jeff]

121. The consent of the governed can be withdrawn. n/t

[larkrake]

128. Maybe if they didnt sell out to the DNC before any primaries, they wouldnt be so

blatantly corrupt. Corrupt folk get targeted by REAL Democrats

[merrily]

129. Who gives a rat's ass about an institution that should not have been created in the first place?

They should all resign from that incredibly undemocratic body and dissolve it.

[larkrake]

132. but then how will the neo-cons keep power if you remove lobbyist supers?

[CanadaexPat]

133. "We were elected to be...oh, never mind."

[Joe the Revelator]

143. That's cool...They WILL NOT get my vote either.

This is working out well.

[frylock]

144. Meh. It's their funeral.

[7wo7rees]

154. Super. We don't expect you to be. According to what

I've been reading you superdelegates exist to cast your vote for the candidate that will win opposed to the Republican candidate. Good luck with the choice you all make.

[bobbobbins01]

155. Two just flipped for Bernie.

Clinton can keep the lobbyists.

[jillan]

157. Awesome! Didn't hear that.

[jillan]

156. And to the superdelegates from Bernie supporters: We Will NOT vote for you when it's time for

re-election.

It's a two-way street.

[hereforthevoting]

158. Have fun in Nov

[LaydeeBug]

162. We will! And I hope you'll join us

but it's cool either way.

[John Poet]

159. "I feel your pain"---

I think a lot of the problem with the Democratic party abandoning orthodox liberalism for conservatism, and neo-conservative foreign policy, comes from interlopers pretending to be Democrats, who put people like Hillary Clinton into office.

REAL DEMOCRATS don't pull this shit.

[LaydeeBug]

166. No...REAL DEMOCRATS help elect Democrats when it is clear

they won't win.

[Gothmog]

161. Sanders will not be successful in appealing to super delegates

[LondonReign2]

165. No, but they will be bought, and be happy about it