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Related: About this forumThe Superdelegates to Bernie's Supporters: We Will NOT be Bullied
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Superdelegates are getting profanity laced messages with threats of violence for their support of Hillary Clinton. Lots of messages abound referencing the 1968 Democratic Convention and alluding to a violent confrontation.
They are in their last throes. With each passing primary/caucus, he is NOT reaching his goal. If you notice, he is actually changing his rhetoric a bit, because the time will come for him to throw his support behind the presumptive nominee. As he tones it down, some of his "supporters" are ratcheting up. I put supporters in quotes because I really think a lot of this trouble comes from interlopers pretending to be Bernie supporters. They *act* too much like Trump people for me to think otherwise.
**REAL** Democrats don't pull this shit. This is why the superdelegates are being *VERY* clear: they will not be bullied.
And *WE* won't be either.
(edit: typo)
LWolf
(46,179 posts)the neo-liberal establishment, the Clinton campaign, and her supporters:
We will NOT be bullied. And we ARE "REAL" Democrats.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I remember the difference now...
I'll remember that next time I'm being beaten that it's not bullying, just a good old fashioned country ass whooping and I should remember my place.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And those don't like getting sprayed with criticism should back away from those who are behaving badly.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)we get a DEM in the WH and retake the House and Senate. Your place is to VOTE BLUE no matter what.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I notice you chose to use a word with violent connotations.
I will clearly tell you that this woman is not a victim, and does not get "beaten."
But your efforts to "beat" me verbally are noted, as they are tossed to the round file for junk mail.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Does my description have "violent connotations " ?
Thank you in advance.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Are you guys for real?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)looking for offense, is an art. Well, not really and art, but an art form. Well, not really an art form as much as a pain in the ass.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)and there's still a lot to be counted in Kentucky, I believe my candidate is doing just fine today.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)that's how many are needed for your candidate to win. Even if he wins Kentucky, he is still losing.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)and I'll be happy with it.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Being *beaten* in an election is not the same as violence against women, and you damn well know it,
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Sanctimony, lol.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but good luck with that
lapfog_1
(29,189 posts)why bother posting anything about superdelegates?
Seriously, are you secretly jealous of Bernie Sanders support?
Let the primaries finish, have the vote at the convention, move on to the general.
If you are so confident of victory, you might have even counseled the Nevada Democratic party to seat all of the Bernie delegates and not changed the rules... let Bernie win an extra 4 delegates (or whatever the number might have been) and simply moved on without all the fuss. After all, since Hillary is so far ahead and Bernie is so beaten (your phrase), why not be magnanimous in winning?
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Math is math. Hillary will be the nominee.
lapfog_1
(29,189 posts)if you really believed it, there would be no reason to state it.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)If you really believed your statement, you have no reason to reply at all, but if you reply, I can tell that you are having a hard time with what you say you believe.
LMFAO.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Because "if you really believed it, there would be no reason to state it."
right?
lapfog_1
(29,189 posts)You won't find posts from me about whether or not Bernie should stay in the race. That's up to Bernie and his campaign.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #105)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)I wish you well with that.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)A good start for you *might* be to try not to conflate delegate math with polling ratios.
As you may or may not have gleaned from this primary process, the *only* poll that matters is the one on election day.
Good luck with that.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)me and mine *wouldn't* *miss* it.
And we're ready.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)He lost this thing a while ago, and now it's gonna BURN. LOL
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)See you at the convention. Really.
No.
REALLY.
Because we've won, and we are NOT backing down. So, see you there
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #137)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and she is *still* beating him.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #141)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and you know it.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #147)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)because come November, the Democratic nominee will NOT be Bernie. Feel it.
Bonobo
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Bonobo
(29,257 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)It'll be a hell of a loss. Take that to your super-delegates, put it in your pipe, and sit on it.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)But it's about as Nunya as my jock measurement.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Where are we? 7th grade?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I'm the one fielding the 'you say you love Miss Hilly, or you love Donald doody head and want us all to have his cooties' school yard purity questions.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)O-kay.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Please, continue.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and then there's no need to continue.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)why say something like that?
basselope
(2,565 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and appear to be genuinely surprised that the outcome isn't as they expected. Interesting.
(Alerter: This is my personal opinion and my personal observation.)
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)spinbaby
(15,088 posts)But they sure can be bought, and were bought and paid for before the primaries even started.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #12)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #107)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but that isn't my concern. "Math" is.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)BlueLouisville
(28 posts)Clinton fans GOOD, Sanders fans EVIL. Super delegates are on the way out so enjoy them while you can.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)I even went so far as to say I don't think the worst examples are really Bernie supporters, but interlopers.
But hey, if you need an "either/or" or an "if/then", and everything is black or white to you, that shows where your problem is, and I wish you luck in the growth needed to fix it.
(on edit: I decided not to be profane for once)
BlueLouisville
(28 posts)Continue pontificating about superdelegates and the inner fortitude they display by supporting Hillary Clinton against those mean Bernie Sanders supporters.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)from thinking you could assign things.
Funny that.
BlueLouisville
(28 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)BlueLouisville
(28 posts)You claim superdelegates are being bullied by average Joe Voter, which is absurd. Superdelegates are quite literally some of the most powerful people in this country. For example Bill Clinton is a superdelegate along with countless other politicians and power players. Are you seriously trying say Bernie Sanders voters are bullying the most powerful people in this country? It's an absurd claim on its face. If there were constant death threats against elected officials why hasn't one person been arrested. Are people leaving messages with burner phones or sophisticated software that's allowed them to go undetected. Are they using super secret e-mail accounts that law enforcement can't trace back to an I.P. address? If there's such a fear of Sanders supporters why hasn't at least one of them been arrested? The truth is the only people truly bullying anyone are Clinton and her surrogates, state party leaders, national party leaders, etc. They speak in flippant and condescending tone towards Sanders supporters. Party leaders institute last minute rule changes without following proper protocol which unfairly favor Sec. Clinton. They ignore valid motions, they pretend voice votes favored their motion even though they clearly they don't and lastly they jam pack rules committees with officials who favor a certain candidate. They constantly berate and chide Sanders voters as sexist, racist, young, stupid, angry and violent without anything but innuendo and supposition. Sanders supporters boo an undemocratic process and say nasty things to highly paid professionals and politicians for their part in said undemocratic process. Sending death threats is over the line but I find it odd that nobody has been arrested with all these reports of people threatening to kill publicly elected officials. Maybe it's Sanders fans making those calls to the Nevada Chair but it's also possible it's not Sanders supporters. Sanders campaign has been constantly gaslit during this primary. The entire 'unqualified' thing was a product of the Clinton campaign using semantics to avoid calling Sanders 'unqualified' directly but it was the clear insinuation. Hell Hillary did the same thing in 2008 only she said Obama was unqualified herself. They've distorted Sanders record on guns, the auto bailout and numerous other issues. Clinton has gone so far as to dump dead children on Bernie for not voting to allow Sandy Hook victims to sue gun manufactures. Of course Adam Lanza stole weapons from a lawful gun owner and the guns worked properly, so what exactly is the basis of the lawsuit. All of these things I've brought up are straight bullying tactics. You blithely ignore bullying tactics from your side while condemn the other side. Bullying required power to be an effective strategy. Sanders voters are frustrated because they're basically powerless, which is the hallmark of almost all victims of bullying. The only people capable of bullying anyone are people with power and that resides with the very people you claim are being bullied. Power people are almost never the victims of a bully but in fact they're almost always the bully. You aren't standing up to bullies you're actually supporting bullies. You seem oblivious to this fact and you can post all sorts of witty and snarky comments but color me unimpressed by your whole sch tick
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)BlueLouisville
(28 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)But I *know* you weren't trying to imply anything with that.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Gavile
(107 posts)Priceless.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)it didn't work.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Do any of her campaign people have even one original thought of their own?
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)strategy is beating your guy? No? Oh, you *will*. lol
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)There's not a damn thing HRC says that she hasn't co-opted from Sanders.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The Citizens United circle is complete. Now Democrats are echoing the Right's eternal victimhood narrative.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Promised some of you all money, then reneged on too-it I hear. Buying votes, threatening non support in their elections, being put on her enemy hit list. No wonder you all support her.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I get many of you are angry that you are losing but I can't believe you have actually convinced yourselves that the ridiculous stuff you post is true.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Innocent as the day she was born. Pure as the driven snow
My ass. She's nothing but a devious shyster.
shy·ster
ˈSHīstər/
nouninformal
noun: shyster; plural noun: shysters
a person, especially a lawyer, who uses unscrupulous, fraudulent, or deceptive methods in business.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)nonsense you wrote?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Many of them cast that bigoted vote. Camp Clinton has touted the DOMA voters who endorse her. They stand proudly with them.
Several more of these delegates voted for the Iraq War, in which our country bullied Iraq over 9-11 which Iraq did not do.
It's odd that such persons think they are being bullied, with all the bullying they have done and all their money and status. 'Yes I voted that some minorities have no civil rights, but I'm the one being bullied!!!'
Also, those delegates are actually called unpledged or uncommitted delegates in the language of the Party regulations. The fact that they want to call themselves 'Supers' indicates part of the problem with their abuse of that role.
I understand that Clinton supporters are the DOMA branch of the Party, back in the day they are the brand of Democrats that opposed LGBT rights along with the Republicans and so to them those bigoted voters are heroes, much like they lionize Ron and Nancy Reagan, wrongfully but so passionately.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)dishonesty. I know exactly what positions are held by the unpledged delegates in our Party. 193 Representatives, 47 Senators, 21 Governors, 20 'distinguished members' such as ex Presidents and VPs and former Congressional leaders.
That's 281 persons who could have and in many cases did vote for DOMA who now whine about being 'bullied'.
Did you think you were teaching me something with your condescending snark?
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)BTW not all of them were in office when DOMA was passed. That also includes President Obama who is also one of those delegates.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that not all the 'supers' are Members of Congress. All I'm asking is for a response to what I actually said, not lessons on the nature of Democratic delegates.
My question: How many of those delegates voted for DOMA? There is an answer as many of them did, bullies that they are, bigoted actions are what they took. Many of them. You obviously do not know how many, and as I said I assume that the Reagan Democrats of the DOMA branch of the Party don't care. And you have demonstrated that you don't care even enough to make an honest response.
Your attempt to bully me for not supporting your bullies is shallow stuff.
How many of the delegates you are promoting voted for DOMA? You don't know because you don't care, and the fact that I mention their actual nature, flawed, partisan self serving and often bigoted bothers you and causes you to lash out at me. And that's my point. You can't bully me into silence, will not happen.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)And why are you focusing on that issue when a larger group of Democrats came out back in 2013 to overturn DOMA? Would you rather they had not fought to overturn it?
Since you are so concerned about how many voted for DOMA it is on you to gather the data and provide the source. But again what is important is where they stand now on that issue. Not back when DOMA was passed. Most of those congressional members from that time period are no longer members of Congress. Yet it appears you want to lump the current ones altogether as one because they are supporting Clinton.
BTW I did not bully you. I have also not been promoting any delegates. You are making a lot of accusations against me without any support of it. Your concept of bullies is astounding.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)Threats and violence does not work.
BlueLouisville
(28 posts)Surely they were arrested and it's part of public record.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)ABC News
BlueLouisville
(28 posts)I'm not disputing Sanders fans and how annoying they can be. If death threats are being sent via phone, e-mail, etc. it would have been tracked and somebody would have been arrested; especially if they are threatening elected officials. I'm skeptical until there's a confirmed arrest. Yes, they yelled at Barbara Boxer but that's not a crime, is it proper decorum... no of course not, but it comes with the territory when you're an elected official. This looks like gaslighting to me.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)however they are easily bought
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)flocking to BS? Some comments on DU reflects how horrid bullying can be.
It's not a matter of good vs. evil, it's a matter of respect for people who support another Democratic Party's candidate. Liberals/progressive understand that.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)not democratic at all
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tantrum.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)and have his minions concentrate just on the social media front instead.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)RATM435
(392 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)The national convention will be in the very bright public spotlight with MSM covering it non stop, now consider what went down in NV and how establishment went about trashing the rules to push their agenda... take that moment and factor in neither candidate will have enough delegates to earn nomination without SDs...
SDs are hyper sensitive to public pressure so what you call 'bully' is actually the more vocal and active contingent coming at ya during the convention... care to guess which side that will be and whom they support?
grab your popcorn folks, this is about to get very interesting and there's NOTHING the establishment can do to STOP it
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Looks like a straw man argument....
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)14 out of 17 for Hillary in a state that voted 62% for Bernie 38% for Hillary
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you can cite all the math in the world it doesn't change the fact this process is corrupt, in fact it re enforces that
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10594756
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)heavily for Bernie. My vote for rep and Senator
depend on how they vote at the convention.
I don't threaten, I don't bully, but I just may refuse
them my vote.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Yes, usually we just sit back and take it
Not anymore.
And before you think I am some crazed Independent Trump supporter, I have always been a Democrat and worked closely with a Presidential candidate during a previous campaign. You know, how real Democrats do it.
insta8er
(960 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)So much for being against gun control and for democracy. This party can screw off once the GE's done-- I don't consort with fascists.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and refusing to be bullied. Hillary won this thing. Math is math.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DNC logos on their underwear?
Is it like "Real Men"? "Real Coke"? "Real Tough"? "Real Nice"? "Real Loyal"?
Do tell.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Splinter Cell
(703 posts)Period.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I can't wait to not be one.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Threats and intimidation .....
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)That says it all.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Super-Delegates not being bullies themselves?
The REAL Democratic party wouldn't HAVE stooped to the un-democratic rule OF Super-Delegates. There is no logic there in your post.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)actions. What twisted distorted notions of how democracy works. When you don't get your way, stalk, threaten and harass people and target their children! Utterly psychotic.
whirlygigspin
(3,803 posts)you're a winner baby!
synergie
(1,901 posts)All that losing doesn't make you a winner, baby, no matter what you insist on banging.
Facts are hard, and reality can't actually be denied. Own up to what the BS campaign is about violence and threatening women and children.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)blatantly corrupt. Corrupt folk get targeted by REAL Democrats
merrily
(45,251 posts)They should all resign from that incredibly undemocratic body and dissolve it.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)This is working out well.
frylock
(34,825 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)I've been reading you superdelegates exist to cast your vote for the candidate that will win opposed to the Republican candidate. Good luck with the choice you all make.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Clinton can keep the lobbyists.
jillan
(39,451 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)re-election.
It's a two-way street.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but it's cool either way.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I think a lot of the problem with the Democratic party abandoning orthodox liberalism for conservatism, and neo-conservative foreign policy, comes from interlopers pretending to be Democrats, who put people like Hillary Clinton into office.
REAL DEMOCRATS don't pull this shit.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)they won't win.