Everybody in the know knows that Bernie voters in KY, and elsewhere are really Trump supporters

[Jitter65]

trying to undermine Hillary. People on the ground there are saying it not just the media.

[pinebox]

1. I have one picture for you

and only one.

[RKP5637]

2. K&R!!! n/t

[Duckhunter935]

4. Lol, but very true

[m-lekktor]

8. lol nt

[LWolf]

12. That image

leaves that song stuck in my head. It's certainly evocative.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Bwahahahaha!

[AZ Progressive]

47. +1000

[Waiting For Everyman]

3. Well then there sure are a lot of them!

GO KENTUCKY BERNERS!!! You can do this!

[Blanks]

17. There is an assumption (by Sander's supporters)...

That if something is good for the working class, then it is bad for the 'investor class' (or whatever it is that we're calling folks that have a solid education and decent jobs).

As the Koch brothers pointed out: "Bush was worse than Clinton".

So, yeah EVERYONE is better off when we have a president that successfully manages the economy. We are ALL better off with a candidate (and president) with a history of creating private sector jobs and reducing the size of the government.

We have a system of government based on compromise. For me, it isn't a negative that Clinton can pull supporters from every background and income. This country was founded on basically giving the bulk of the 'freedom' to the wealthy, and while things have trended in the right direction (more people can vote, get married etc.)

Those who start with the most still end up with the most. It's foolhardy to think that we are gonna get anywhere NOT inviting the wealthy to the discussion.

[TheKentuckian]

22. When does the compromising with the working people start? The needs of the many outweigh the needs

of the few.

[Blanks]

41. The working class benefits from an economy...

That creates jobs, and the wealthy benefit from an economy that creates jobs.

Wages become stagnant when there is a large supply of workers and not many jobs. The working class is DEFINITELY damaged by recession when the number of people looking for work increases. I imagine the wealthy don't mind paying a little more in wages as long as they're making plenty of money (I don't believe they're gonna crash the economy just to pay workers less).

That's probably the best compromise the working class is gonna get, hope enough jobs are created that they can get a raise. Entrepreneurs will fare better, but the folks who are just sitting around waiting for a good paying job to fall in their laps - they don't bring anything to the table to negotiate/compromise with. Sure, they can form a union, but when there is a surplus of workers, the employer just gets new non-Union oriented people.

You have to posess something they need in order to get them to negotiate.

[TheKentuckian]

44. So...nothing. Where are you going to get the demand and how do you overcome the outsourcing

and automation?

We have structural issues as well as design problems that worn out platitudes won't correct.

If that is the best deal then deal time is over and shit gets really ugly.

[Blanks]

45. It will come from new technology...

The entire system is fueled by non-renewable resources.

When the price of a gallon of gas is $10, small parcel farmers can compete with growers whose crop is far away, because the cost of the fuel is added to the California strawberries, the local gardener can be competitive in the Midwest.

Alternative energies can beat coal fired plants because the coal is transported using nonrenewable resources.

This is the revolution that has been in the making since Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the roof of the White House. It's the revolution that was put on hold when Dubya stole the White House from Gore.

It's about decentralization, making communities more self reliant, small towns can export (to nearby communities) what they produce but don't consume.

With 3D printers, repair parts can be printed out locally to repair things that break instead of throwing out whole appliances. People can telecommute instead of driving to help make companies more competitive. The Internet makes it possible for people to repair things that would have required special tools and equipment even a few years ago.

That's just a few examples of the potential, but those who picket for a higher hourly wage instead of coming up with their own idea of what the future COULD look like - they have no bargaining power. They will eventually be replaced by cheaper labor, or even cheaper machines.

[TheKentuckian]

50. So...subsistence farming and what probably will be a net loss in jobs with an energy revolution

a generation away as well as...bootstraps without straight up saying it. Seriously, how much of society is going to invent their way to a living? Also, essentially screw everyone else they can starve, I reckon.

New Democrats = the old Republicans.

[Blanks]

59. I say new technology, and you come away with...

Subsistence farming. It's a matter of national security. We used to have farm communities all across this country. You can go to a lot of small towns that used to be vibrant with agriculture related industries, that are shells of what they used to be. I'm merely suggesting we make that work with renewable energies and less trucking.

I live out in the country, and if there was a minor disruption in transportation systems and I tried to survive on the crops in the fields around me, I'd have to learn to eat cotton or soy beans. Which is ridiculous because the technology for aquaponics farming is readily available. We need to have programs that encourage small agri-businesses that incorporate renewable energy and provide financial advantages to persons and businesses that consume locally produced foods.

These things are actually becoming more widespread all the time, but we have a younger generation more interested in drawing a good wage than building their own business. There's no need to invent anything, but hanging out hoping you can find a job paying $15 an hour ain't gonna get you there. It takes initiative.

I feel no shame in admitting that I'm a progressive, we need to find solutions to the problems that we are facing today with solutions that take advantage of technology and incorporate that technology into our plans. What I see is people wishing we could return to the 'olden days' that's just wishful thinking.

[CanadaexPat]

53. The political sphere mediates the economic sphere,

that's what it's there for. You have it backwards.

[HooptieWagon]

56. Wow. Spouting Reaganomics now?

Clinton supporters are even further RW than I thought. They sound just like 80s republicans.

[puffy socks]

6. I'm sure

some of them are. The problem is is why aren't Berni's supporters calling these people out everywhere?
They come on all these forums and back this kind of behavior up, and all of them can't be Trump supporters, right?
Where all the Bernie supporters then?

[DefenseLawyer]

7. Operation Chaos!

Ha! That's funny.

[NCTraveler]

9. At this point a lot of them are. That is clear.

Some of Sanders supporters are still in it for good reason. I don't want my friend Armstead and others like them painted in this manner. A bit too absolute.

Still, being where we are at, there is clearly some operation chaos going on. Enough to have an impact. That was made abundantly clear in WV.

[timmymoff]

10. Yes operation chaos is going on

Except it's the establishment doing all they can to hand us a shit sandwich. Some democrats will ask for seconds though, others will not.

[NCTraveler]

25. The Sanders campaign is currently attempting to subvert the will of the voter.

Additionally, twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded. Clinton and O'Malley cleared. The Sanders campaign has been neck deep in trying to steal the vote from the beginning.

[pampango]

11. Ain't GD-P grand! Everyone who does not agree with me is a troll or an idiot or a Trump supporter!

Kentucky has a closed primary. If it were open, Trump supporters (now that he has won their nomination) might have the opportunity to screw with us. They don't.

[pmorlan1]

38. Agree

Plus they already voted for Trump in the Republican caucus earlier this year (March?). They don't get to vote again.

[kickitup]

13. I'm on the ground in KY and your post is bullshit.

[CentralMass]

34. +1

[whatthehey]

14. Well in WV many were and KY will be

Those demographics contain large numbers of generational Democrats who have never voted D in their lives. This is not idle musing or even anecdotal input from an until-recent KY resident. As can be seen below Dems have a 52/40 registration edge in KY. Obama trailed 60/38. So in other words 14/52 of KY Dems - well over a quarter - prefer to vote Republican. They will certainly do what they can to do whatever they see as harm to the Dem primaries, even just by making it more expensive and antagonistic. Sanders will surely get real support in KY aplenty too. It's a state in desperate times absent a couple of the larger urban areas. But I suspect OR will be a more legitimate demonstration of Dem voting breakdown.0

http://elect.ky.gov/statistics/pages/registrationstatistics.aspx

[pmorlan1]

16. lol

That is the dumbest thing I've heard this morning. You do realize the KY Republicans already voted for Trump in their caucus earlier this year, don't you? The only thing those Republicans can vote for today are down ticket races. Do you really think they skipped their caucus earlier this year when their vote could actually matter for Trump just so they could vote today against Hillary?

[whatthehey]

27. You do know 52% of KY are registered Dems but only 38% voted that way don't you?

The state has a lot of generational Democrats who wouldn't vote D with a gun to their head.

[pmorlan1]

32. I live in Kentucky

so yeah I'm pretty familiar with my state. Those Dems you mention are conservative Democrats. BLUE DOGS. They used to support Hill & Bill. I guess they were ok with you when they were voting for her, right?

[whatthehey]

37. They are RW Christo-fascist Republicans. Real generational fake Dems

I voted Sanders BTW.

[bloom]

18. There are also those for whom it is either Sanders or Trump

IOW - sexist pigs.

[octoberlib]

19. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and will be voting for the

Democratic nominee in the GE. No way would I vote for Trump. NC may have 3 lawsuits before the Supreme Court on voting rights , racial gerrymandering and HB2 so I can't afford to throw away my vote on a conservative bigot. I don't know of any Bernie supporters in real life that are voting for Trump and most of the ones I interact with online who say they can't and won't vote for Hillary are voting Green or not at all. I do think people in coal country and the rust belt are being seduced by Trump's rhetoric on free trade and the coal industry and will vote for him solely because of his stance on those issues but I think Trump will flip flop on those as well. He's full of shit.

[BlueLouisville]

20. DERP...DERP...

[Bayard]

21. Proud Native Kentuckian Here

Your supposition is crap. Here in our Western KY county, a large majority are registered Dems. Now, if they'll get out and vote on a rainy day like this is another story.

I'll be voting for Bernie today. And from what I can see, Ron Leach for the Senate.

[whatthehey]

33. Well no. Your (and my) WKY county voted like this

and it's not turnout. It's the families who turned Dem in the Civil War and whose descendants maintain the fiction despite having no intention of voting D in their lives.

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/kentucky/

BTW no idea what county you are in, but as the map shows it's irrelevant as all Western Kentucky went red. FWIW I lived in Daviess. Red to the core county in every statewide election despite being over 57% registered Dem. Sure we got a few local Dem winners, but most of them are Kim Davis clone Dems part of the inherited machine who give the false impression of liberal registrations.

[Bayard]

46. Primary Report

Pretty anti-climactic. We went in the middle of the day, so probably not that representative. There were 6 senior citizen poll workers, and 5 voters, including us. One woman came in and said she was there to vote for Donald Trump. <sigh>

I certainly didn't come back home for the politics here. I was in CA for the last election, and voted Obama both times.

[pmorlan1]

35. Hello Neighbor

Yeah, the weather sucks. I too will be voting for Bernie today. I'm in the Louisville area.

[basselope]

23. Yeah, they're all named John Miller

[Ford_Prefect]

24. OP is based on hearsay and slander and should be locked.

No evidence or citations, just attitude and fear-mongering. TOS?

[Jitter65]

36. Based on live interview with KY election official..CNN. nt

[Ford_Prefect]

43. Citation ??? Which official and when? Which people on the ground? What proof offered?

You asserted that the OP is fact, rather than your opinion. Those mysterious people in the know? Joe McCarthy used that one too often.

Who has determined that the Democratic primary and caucus voters in all the other states are NOT voting as democrats? This sounds much like the slander that all southern states are lost votes in the GE and should not have a voice in the primaries. Revisionist Party History maybe, but hardly fact.

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. Not to mention complete fundamental illogic.

Trump supporters would, if they were inclined to tamper with the democratic nomination, support the candidate that they feel is less likely to win against Trump.

Logic! It's fun and easy, Clinton supporters!

[BillZBubb]

26. More bullshit. Welcome to my ignore list!

[NorthCarolina]

29. That's gotta be it...

Thanks for the heads up.

[G_j]

30. Who is everybody?

we are waiting with baited breath...

[TheKentuckian]

31. Uhmmm...no, not so much. I'll leave my desired return shit flinging out for the moment

[BootinUp]

40. Oh, go ahead and let it out, you are allowed just like

Moses Malone was allowed to travel in the NBA.

[TheKentuckian]

42. Mkay

[BootinUp]

39. I can't agree, if you had said "some" of his "supporters" then I would have. nt

[AZ Progressive]

48. Thanks for allowing me to call you Hillary supporters a bunch of privileged snobs...

who pull the ladder behind you. FDR gave you gifts and you decided that future generations and the lower classes should not have them.

[Skwmom]

49. Hillary undermines Hillary. She needs no help.

[B Calm]

51. More pulled out of the ass bullshit from Turd Way.

[reformist2]

54. The HRC campaign has an amazing talent, turning all that cash into hug piles of cow manure.

[MariaThinks]

52. that would make sense. Progressive people may want someone more liberal than hillary

but I can't understand the hatred and lies expressed towards her by people are supposedly on the left. And then there are the threats to vote Trump if Hillary is the nominee. How can a liberal go from a Democrat to a guy who is going to deport immigrants, allow countries to develop nuclear weapons, reduce taxes on the rich, stack the supreme court with right wing judges, and so on.

[bvf]

55. Uh huh.

[lumberjack_jeff]

57. Entitlement. Clinton supporters have it.

Everyone voting against her is participating in an effort to undermine her.

This might make some sense if KY voters had some reason to believe that Clinton is the stronger opponent against Trump. As if.

[Jester Messiah]

60. Vile slander.

I would never support Trump. Or Hillary.