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rateyes

(17,438 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:38 AM May 2016

You think Nevada was ugly? Just wait!

A few years ago, I posted a piece here stating that Revolution was coming to this country in my lifetime. I am up in age. I said that it might be peaceful, or it might be violent, but that it was coming.

People of all political stripes are pissed. They are sick and tired of being stepped on by those we keep electing to office who promise to make things better, but don't.

It is clear that Roberta Lange used voice votes to her advantage in Nevada to ensure that she got her way. She did not do the right thing by refusing to have a standing division. The delegates rightly saw what she was attempting to do, and they were angry that the deck was stacked against them.

DWS is doing the same thing with committee makeup at the DNC later this year. She has appointed three of Bernie's suggestions to a supermajority of Hillary's. She has stacked the rules committee.

Bernie is going to take this campaign to the convention. And if DWS doesn't decide that Bernie supporters get a proportional representation on committees and doesn't chair that meeting fairly, then what you saw in Nevada will look like a love fest compared to what will happen in Philly.

Revolution is coming. One way or the other. The oligarchs better take note.

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You think Nevada was ugly? Just wait! (Original Post) rateyes May 2016 OP
This... Agschmid May 2016 #1
That is not mental illness. It's rage, possibly feigned. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #11
It's terrorism and should be dealt with Ohioblue22 May 2016 #17
It's not terrorism, either. winter is coming May 2016 #20
It's intimidation in order to affect a political outcome. Ohioblue22 May 2016 #34
Oh bullshit. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that Maru Kitteh May 2016 #91
No, I'd have the exact same opinion that I do now: it's fucking ugly winter is coming May 2016 #92
Oh here we go "Be Afraid ,be very afraid" are we going to use the terror color code too ? bahrbearian May 2016 #27
So your okay with that voicemail? Agschmid May 2016 #30
"Its Terrorism I tell you Terrorism" Shock and Awe, Then "I made a mistake" bahrbearian May 2016 #36
I didn't say it was terrorism... That wasn't me. Agschmid May 2016 #38
Are you "OK" calling it Terrorism bahrbearian May 2016 #45
I not okay with calling it "terrorism" nor did I ever say it was. Agschmid May 2016 #49
NO you only said it Wasn't You that said it . You didn't state you weren't OK with it. bahrbearian May 2016 #53
If I were you I'd go ahead and re-read my last post. Agschmid May 2016 #54
Your job now is to pore over all the posts on DU and declare your objection to as many a possible... George II May 2016 #108
I know right?!?! Agschmid May 2016 #109
A call like that for this reason is terrorism Ohioblue22 May 2016 #37
Caller never threatened her, said you *should be* hung. (See definition of "is") DebDoo May 2016 #90
Your response is laughable. Agschmid May 2016 #131
This came from a San Diego area phone nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #81
other terrorists by your standards SheenaR May 2016 #48
I'm sure they all would have on the phone with their curse words and death threats and BTW that Ohioblue22 May 2016 #56
The first two were willing to kill the opposition SheenaR May 2016 #57
Words are cheap Ohioblue22 May 2016 #62
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #125
Threatening the life of someone else *isn't* rage. Agschmid May 2016 #24
No, it doesn't have to be mental illness. winter is coming May 2016 #33
... Agschmid May 2016 #35
Yes, it is a form of mental illness, but we don't know WHO made the call yet adigal May 2016 #97
Oh sure puffy socks May 2016 #128
You're sticking up for this? George II May 2016 #107
I didn't "stick up" for the behavior. It's not mental illness. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #112
So, let me get this straight. basselope May 2016 #21
Smells like mental illness. Agschmid May 2016 #25
If you define mental illness as someone faking it.. yeah, it does smell like that. basselope May 2016 #43
I do define it as someone willing I say that to another person. Agschmid May 2016 #52
So actors are mentally ill? basselope May 2016 #55
Yes that's exactly what I meant... Agschmid May 2016 #58
Not sure if there was one. basselope May 2016 #60
No threat. Caller said "you *should be* hung" and *I hope* you burn DebDoo May 2016 #94
Try saying that about an official and see how fast the secret service wants to have a conversation. basselope May 2016 #104
These people are disgusting. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #29
And there is what evidence that this is a Bernie supporter? cali May 2016 #40
I at least got you the organic kind... Agschmid May 2016 #63
Caller ID was David Brock... HooptieWagon May 2016 #42
People who leave those vile messages ARE the COWARDS! riversedge May 2016 #64
Brook posted the actual number nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #66
I edited it out once I noticed it was in there. Agschmid May 2016 #68
It's been posted about 1000 times on DU in the past couple days. TwilightZone May 2016 #71
Neither is ok nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #76
Oh, I agree that neither is acceptable. TwilightZone May 2016 #77
Hmm tjey are not my compatriots nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #79
I did not say they were ok nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #73
You really should be investigating this stuff! zappaman May 2016 #83
Lmao nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #124
No DOUBT a PLANTED Hillary Shill &/or Rockyj May 2016 #132
Yup... No doubt... None at all. Agschmid May 2016 #133
If we (the minority) don't get our way, you guys will all suffer. How Democratic Sheepshank May 2016 #2
A revolution led by fools who couldn't be bothered to register as Dems even when GWB was President BeyondGeography May 2016 #3
Beyond rationality. pdsimdars May 2016 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #4
Rose's water pipes were made from lead Ohioblue22 May 2016 #19
I see. Well, I'm quaking in my boots, for sure, now. MineralMan May 2016 #5
Can't wait until Bernie runs out of money to pay Revolution Messaging Txbluedog May 2016 #6
Member since: Fri May 13, 2016, 04:36 PM frylock May 2016 #15
Post count snobbery. Wtf does post count have to do with the content Ohioblue22 May 2016 #26
.. frylock May 2016 #31
Yeah that's what I thought Ohioblue22 May 2016 #41
Brocktastic! frylock May 2016 #47
That's a good one. pdsimdars May 2016 #82
It's patently obvious who they are and where they came from. frylock May 2016 #85
Kind of like driving for Uber . . . .earn a little extra money in your spare time. . . . pdsimdars May 2016 #102
Yeah it was hilarious and very clever Ohioblue22 May 2016 #95
Can't lose Dem2 May 2016 #105
You're right. It's pure coincidence that shortly after it's announced that Count Brockula.. frylock May 2016 #106
You believe anything you want Dem2 May 2016 #110
Most of those who aren't for real are multiplying like fucking Gremlins. frylock May 2016 #111
Only 85% Bernie supporters here Dem2 May 2016 #113
Hey, remind me again which group is calling for a purge kplzthx. frylock May 2016 #116
I don't know Dem2 May 2016 #117
Well why opine on something you know nothing about? frylock May 2016 #118
You seem confused. Dem2 May 2016 #119
I said good day. frylock May 2016 #120
We know the paople donate to Bernie, the corporations bought Hillary pdsimdars May 2016 #80
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #126
Oh please. auntpurl May 2016 #7
It's all they have...molehills...the Mountains are still out there. libdem4life May 2016 #16
I guess I'm not normal then purl dana_b May 2016 #39
Informed and awake. lol looks more like intimidation and tantrums Ohioblue22 May 2016 #46
My response was NOT about Bernie supporters in general! auntpurl May 2016 #114
Anti-democratic revolution. Awesome nt firebrand80 May 2016 #8
If Philadelphia is a rerun of Nevada kstewart33 May 2016 #9
What DWS and her ilk don't seem to grasp is that they are manipulating for money and power - djean111 May 2016 #10
And rightfully so. This rightness of the reaction must be made clear to all. nt stillwaiting May 2016 #12
Lessons unlearned by the establishment... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #13
Bernie has been part of the government for 30 years what do you mean by not establishment Ohioblue22 May 2016 #22
sure... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #59
Ok ,establishment is OK as long as it isn't DEM establishment Ohioblue22 May 2016 #61
... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #65
Yeah you said that Ohioblue22 May 2016 #67
reading is fundamental... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #70
The anti-establish group is backing Bernie correct? Ohioblue22 May 2016 #72
... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #75
I have to agree. And since entrenched folks whose livings...great or small... libdem4life May 2016 #14
I hope you're right dreamnightwind May 2016 #18
Precisely. 99Forever May 2016 #23
Oh please. What a foolishly tough talking OP. You can't back it up or you wouldn't have found it Trust Buster May 2016 #32
LOL, Yup, Press Start To Continue... Grassy Knoll May 2016 #51
No threat. Prediction. If DWS does what Lange did rateyes May 2016 #101
+1 SheenaR May 2016 #44
They'll huff and they'll puff !!! JoePhilly May 2016 #50
Another threat? If its a "tactic" its a miserable failure. If its faith BootinUp May 2016 #69
In otherwards you didn't like what that lady did to the democratic process with her armed thugs pdsimdars May 2016 #86
I don't expect everyone here to put out an accurate narrative. You're excused. lol. nt BootinUp May 2016 #88
I watched the video. . . oh, and I had my eyes and mind opened. pdsimdars May 2016 #103
On a far more general point you are correct nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #74
This one is really appropriate here. pdsimdars May 2016 #87
There are some similarties between now and 1968 hollowdweller May 2016 #89
People get very upset when democracy is taken from them. 1776 comes to mind. senz May 2016 #93
Is this what happens when a generation who was raised to feel entitled finally comes of age? eastwestdem May 2016 #96
Perhaps helped by helicopter parents and everyone is a winner? fleabiscuit May 2016 #98
Lets take a look at your premise: bvar22 May 2016 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #99
Any country is only three meals away from a revolution. Katashi_itto May 2016 #136
Those of us who have seen it before Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #115
Yep. I'm old enough to remember. rateyes May 2016 #121
Great post, rateyes, thanks. K&R. Scuba May 2016 #122
K&R! coco77 May 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #127
First they create the disturbance, then point their fingers at the Bernie Delegates. It's all B Calm May 2016 #129
Bingo! Thread winner right here. ^^^ farleftlib May 2016 #130
LOL Scurrilous May 2016 #134
I'll be honest I have no respect for ignorant voters and politicians who use beachbumbob May 2016 #135

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
1. This...
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016
MALE CALLER: Hi Roberta Lange. This is a citizen of the United States of America and I just wanted to let you know that I think people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won’t stand for this sort of corruption. I don’t know what kind of money they are paying to you, but I don’t know how you sleep at night. You are a sick, twisted piece of shit and I hope you burn for this! You can return my call at ***-***-****. I’d love to go into further detail with you about this, though I am sure you don’t have courage to do so. You cowardless bitch, running off the stage! I hope people find you.


Isn't a revolution, it's mental illness.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
20. It's not terrorism, either.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

It's certainly ugly, but I'm not sure there's enough "threat" there to actually justify any legal action.

 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
34. It's intimidation in order to affect a political outcome.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
91. Oh bullshit. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

"you should be hung in a public execution" and "I hope you burn" is anything but a THREAT. I'm sure you would be just fine if this were called in to Jane Sanders on her personal phone and left on her voicemail right? No you wouldn't. You would acknowledge it as the criminal act that it is.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
92. No, I'd have the exact same opinion that I do now: it's fucking ugly
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

but probably doesn't rise to the level of being a criminal act.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
27. Oh here we go "Be Afraid ,be very afraid" are we going to use the terror color code too ?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

Why does bush come to mind

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
36. "Its Terrorism I tell you Terrorism" Shock and Awe, Then "I made a mistake"
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

That Voice mail is as big a deal as you can Make It .

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
38. I didn't say it was terrorism... That wasn't me.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

But I'm certainly not okay with that voicemail, and you should be either.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
49. I not okay with calling it "terrorism" nor did I ever say it was.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

So... Your point is flawed.

Now do you agree that it's disgusting and it shouldn't have happened. Someone took it too far.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
53. NO you only said it Wasn't You that said it . You didn't state you weren't OK with it.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

Yes people take things too far, later they say they Made a mistake


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017372344

George II

(67,782 posts)
108. Your job now is to pore over all the posts on DU and declare your objection to as many a possible...
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

....and get it done IMMEDIATELY. Now.

 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
37. A call like that for this reason is terrorism
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
81. This came from a San Diego area phone
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

Ergo it is a federal case. Under the US code, there is something called terroristic threats California uses a different name for the exact same offense.

 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
56. I'm sure they all would have on the phone with their curse words and death threats and BTW that
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

Definition is not mine but from a dictionary

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
57. The first two were willing to kill the opposition
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

so I guess they were terrorists by both you and your dictionary

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
33. No, it doesn't have to be mental illness.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

And I don't see an actionable threat in "people like you should be hung in a public execution". It's an ugly sentiment, to be sure, but we'll see whether law enforcement considers it an actual death threat.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
97. Yes, it is a form of mental illness, but we don't know WHO made the call yet
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

It could be a Trump supporter. It could be a Hillary supporter trying to discredit Bernie. Lots of possibilities.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
128. Oh sure
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:30 AM
May 2016

All the nasty phone calls come from Trump supporters what a bunch of bull


Bernie's little revolution will burn up just as quickly as his flash in the pan campaign has. It'll don't know where any revolutionaries will end up. Probably just a lot of fines and court , maybe a little jail time, That's about it ...but the government could use that money to help some other people who need it !

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
21. So, let me get this straight.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

The person called, made a threat, said he hoped she burned for this and then left a "you can return my call at".

Hmm, smells funny.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
58. Yes that's exactly what I meant...
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:32 PM
May 2016

I note that you appear to be in the "okay" with threats of violence.

See you around DU.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
60. Not sure if there was one.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

We know someone called and said this. However, it is only an actual threat if the person being threatened doesn't know it is a fake call.

Since this person left their phone number, obviously they will be arrested.

I await the arrest record.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
104. Try saying that about an official and see how fast the secret service wants to have a conversation.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
42. Caller ID was David Brock...
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

stirring the pot. And gullible Hillary supporters are falling for it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
66. Brook posted the actual number
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

Covering courts I will wait for the police report. That phone was from San Diego.

Chew on that one for a second. And yes, felonies were committed. But I am willing to bet it was not somebody who attended the convention.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
71. It's been posted about 1000 times on DU in the past couple days.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

I wouldn't worry about it.

Funny how they're worried about posting the phone number of a neanderthal, but they have no trouble personally posting Lange's contact information.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
77. Oh, I agree that neither is acceptable.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

My point was that that ship already sailed.

Since you agree that neither is acceptable, perhaps you should say something about it in the 500 threads about Lange posted by your compatriots. A lot of them clearly have no problem with it. Some are using it in their sig lines.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. I did not say they were ok
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

I just said that having done some of the investigative stuff I am used to doing, and really don't have an interest of going all the way...I have the feeling this was not anybody tied to the campaign, or for that matter the NV convention. If there is a police report...that wicket matters and Ralston should have mentioned if one exists or not...in two years...courts can take that long...we will learn the truth.

And as usual...in two years, none here will care. I am almost willing to bet this particular case won't have reporters on it either, like on 99.9 percent of cases...trust me, I am low balling the number.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
83. You really should be investigating this stuff!
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

You're an investigative reporter and the number is in San Diego!!!
What are you waiting for???

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
2. If we (the minority) don't get our way, you guys will all suffer. How Democratic
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

sounds like blackmail and a threat.

Not going to give that any legitimacy. Adult trantrums are pathetic.

BeyondGeography

(39,371 posts)
3. A revolution led by fools who couldn't be bothered to register as Dems even when GWB was President
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Should be entertaining.

Response to rateyes (Original post)

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
6. Can't wait until Bernie runs out of money to pay Revolution Messaging
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

Then we will see how much support he actually has

frylock

(34,825 posts)
85. It's patently obvious who they are and where they came from.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

Always signing up in the middle of the month. ALWAYS!

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
105. Can't lose
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

When the ultimate answer to all inquiries is a conspiracy theory.

Seems rather Godwin to me.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
106. You're right. It's pure coincidence that shortly after it's announced that Count Brockula..
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

has a paid army of internet trolls that the board is inundated with n00bies all parroting the same talking points.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
110. You believe anything you want
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

Most of those who aren't for real can be ignored, it's what most of us learn in Internet 101.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
111. Most of those who aren't for real are multiplying like fucking Gremlins.
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

Kinda hard to ignore when they post as prolifically as they have been. The board is fucking lousy with their nonsense.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
80. We know the paople donate to Bernie, the corporations bought Hillary
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

and the only one documented and called out for having to PAY astroturf . . . . Hillary.

You kind of got that ass backwards. . . but that's what I expected.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
7. Oh please.
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

This is a small minority of disaffected thugs who will have absolutely no influence on the outcome of the primary or GE.

Most normal voters are getting on with their lives. They're not even aware of your revolution, and they wouldn't be the least bit interested in it if they were.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
39. I guess I'm not normal then purl
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

and if that's what normal mean, then I guess I'd rather be informed and awake.

I think that you and I are definitely on different paths so I will wish you the best in life and say adieu.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
114. My response was NOT about Bernie supporters in general!
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

My response was directly in response to the OP's assertion that there would be more violence a la Nevada. He was saying "you ain't seen nothing yet" like Philly is going to be a riot. That was what I was talking about re: revolution, not the larger Sanders campaign. Sorry for not being clear.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
9. If Philadelphia is a rerun of Nevada
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

It will most likely spell the demise of Bernie's movement.

As a Hillary supporter, I support Bernie's movement. I want him to turn his focus to organizing the movement into a force that actually gets meaningful results. Like winning races at the local, state and federal level.

However, repeating Nevada in Philadelphia isn't the way to go about it.

Bernie's supporters did themselves no good in Nevada. It would be a shame if it happens again in Philly.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. What DWS and her ilk don't seem to grasp is that they are manipulating for money and power -
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

and what comes of that affects everybody's fucking LIFE. This is not a football game on TV. This is our lives, and they believe they should be able to decide for everyone. From their comfortable positions. Ain't gonna fly this time, I think. Too many people aware of how the corruption works.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
13. Lessons unlearned by the establishment...
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

it is curious the amount of posts from HRC supporters that avoid the reality of the situation at hand

it's not just in our party, it's all over this nation, exhibit one... Trump is the GOP nominee, example two, Philippine President-Elect Rodrigo Duterte

It's happening worldwide

The anti-establishment movement is real, we've come full circle, '68 convention was a lesson soon forgotten by party establishment folks.. and here we are in '16....

NV convention is just a glimpse, without the MSM 'reporting' it won't have the same impact like a national convention will have, SDs will HAVE to come into play to push either candidate over the line to earn nomination and that process... will be highly televised, reported on and scrutinized

Just watch the growing number of posts from establishment types here in DU trying to counter this reality.. it will be fun to watch!

 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
67. Yeah you said that
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

Bernie has been part of the government for 30 years what do you mean by not establishment


What part of DEM party establishment escaped your attention?
"

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
70. reading is fundamental...
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

I posted...
'The anti-establishment movement is real, we've come full circle, '68 convention was a lesson soon forgotten by party establishment folks.. and here we are in '16....

NV convention is just a glimpse, without the MSM 'reporting' it won't have the same impact like a national convention will have, SDs will HAVE to come into play to push either candidate over the line to earn nomination and that process... will be highly televised, reported on and scrutinized '

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
75. ...
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

Yes, let's discuss the 'labels' behind each candidate shall we, this should be fun...

many folks that believe current DEM leadership aren't backing ideology that defines DEM party are backing Bernie, just to clarify your question and answer in same response...

NV convention is example.... national convention will have a much larger, broader audience and focused light on it, so... the OP and post, getting back to that point and my post linking that NV convention to what I foresee with national convention will have to deal with as it pertains to SDs should be interesting as SDs are party establishment

Do you disagree that SDs are party establishment?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
14. I have to agree. And since entrenched folks whose livings...great or small...
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

depend on the system in place, it will be a fight. Hopefully only political.

However, it is not a political issue. It is a social/cultural/financial Class Division. An old phrase, the Haves and the Have Nots. And it is egregiously fixed. Anyone with age in the double digits knows that.

And we know HRC doesn't plan to do much other than mouth some compromising statements...and will revert to her roots if and when she becomes president. She owes too many people and too many people owe her/them. That is not a secret.

The Clinton Machine has been going for decades. You don't hear about the Sanders Machine. People are just finding out who he is...and many of the Have Nots relate with and like his intent.

It's not about what can you do for me tomorrow, (the unicorns and ponies put down meme) at this stage in the game for us of Boomer age, it's what can you do for my children and grandchildren over time...given the proper focus.

The Wheel of Fortune turns slower as it approaches the apex, then falls faster, which may an appropriate analogy.

Another saying is that the longer someone is held down, the more power they must bring to be let go. Women's Rights, Black Rights, LGBT Rights, all divided over a social purpose.

This one is money...pure and simple. It crosses most of the old boundaries. It also has to go.

ETA: It was surely no Kent State.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
18. I hope you're right
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

And I hope that they WILL take notice.

I don't see any actual revolution coming, but I do see a major realignment in the works, and a new populist force emerging. The two corporate parties can head this off easily enough, if they want to. Right now, they're still in "the beatings will continue until morale improves" mentality, which is more gas on the fire.

This country's politics, at this point, is total kabuki. The illusion is becoming more apparent to more people. Choosing Thing One or Thing Two that come out of the corporate political pipeline is not bringing about any of the major changes we need, and it has to happen, there's literally no time to wait, climate tipping points are here.

I'll say it again, climate tipping points are here.

Let's move, people, we can't sit back and watch our future be denied by greedy corporate impostors. Passivity is recorded as a vote for consent.

If the Democratic Party won't be our ally in this, if it won't be the vehicle for this change, we will find another way.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
23. Precisely.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

Listen to us or be prepared for what comes next. We will NOT be ignored.

"Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose."

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
32. Oh please. What a foolishly tough talking OP. You can't back it up or you wouldn't have found it
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

necessary to threaten. Most of your so called revolution is made up of college kids that Sanders offered trillions to. When reality hits home, they'll just play out their anger in their violent video games. That's today's revolutionary. All talk and little guts. Please......

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
101. No threat. Prediction. If DWS does what Lange did
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

there will be chaos. Pandora's box will be opened.

BootinUp

(47,144 posts)
69. Another threat? If its a "tactic" its a miserable failure. If its faith
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

and righteousness, I prefer the democratic process over chaos. And I never said I don't understand the frustration. I do actually.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
103. I watched the video. . . oh, and I had my eyes and mind opened.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016
I don't need you to excuse me. . . that fits right into this brilliant and truthful quote.



It fits the comments all too often. . . . and is so appropriate. Along with the huge dose of smug.




.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
74. On a far more general point you are correct
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

Hope my counterparts in the media remember the running shoes, and the party flavors.

We are seeing this build up

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
96. Is this what happens when a generation who was raised to feel entitled finally comes of age?
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

Violence can only come about from strong emotion, and the emotion that is most frequently relayed is frustration that they cannot have all of the things they see available to others in society. This really reminds me of the Tea Party-ers...lashing out at "them" because of personal failings. Sure, the Sanders folks have a different set of beliefs (hopefully), but their movements look very similar.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
98. Perhaps helped by helicopter parents and everyone is a winner?
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

I would hazard a guess that entitlement would have to be born out of at least a 'decent economy?' That blows against the wind if they examined it with thought.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
100. Lets take a look at your premise:
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

You state:
[font color=red]"the emotion that is most frequently relayed is frustration that they cannot have all of the things they see available to others in society. This really reminds me of the Tea Party-ers...lashing out at "them" because of personal failings."[/font]

I reject your premise.
You are blaming the victims.
Most take a look around them and see a grossly unfair system that is getting WORSE with each passing day. We now have a generation whose parents can no longer promise their children that if you stay in school and work hard, you can do better than me.

Here is some documentation of this growing unfairness that is the source of anger and frustration:


CHARTS: The Amazing Wealth Surge For The Top 0.1 Percent
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-amazing-wealth-surge-for-the-top-0-1-percent

Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html


Meet the TPP: Crony capitalism on a global scale
https://represent.us/action/tpp/

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

Retirement: A third have less than $1,000 put away
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/18/retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

65 percent of working families are living from paycheck to paycheck.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

"Obama Admin’s TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

95 percent of the economy’s gains have gone to the top 1 percent
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/12/Billionaire-wealth-doubles-since-financial-crisis/5011384268135/?spt=hts&or=12

The Top .01 Percent Reach New Heights
http://www.demos.org/blog/9/13/13/top-01-percent-reach-new-heights

Rates of unemployment for families earning less than $20,000 - have topped 21 percent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_GAP_RICH_AND_POOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-16-08-11-23

Obama Appoints Bain Capital Consultant Jeff Ziets to Top Post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662209

Obama appoints industry insider to head the FCC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024521140

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

The Totally Unfair And Bitterly Uneven 'Recovery,' In 12 Charts – HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662029

Larry Summers Gets 'Full-Throated Defense' From Obama In Capitol Hill Meeting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014553343#post1

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/business-economy-financial-crisis/untouchables/supreme-court-ruling-a-blow-for-future-financial-crisis-cases/

Income gap widest ever: 95 Percent of Recovery Income Gains Have Gone to the Top 1 Percent
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/10/one_percent_recovery_95_percent_of_gains_have_gone_to_the_top_one_percent.html

Older Workers:.Set Back by Recession, and Shut Out of Rebound
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/booming/for-laid-off-older-workers-age-bias-is-pervasive.html?smid=tw-share&_r=3&

40% Of Americans Now Make Less Than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://seeingtheforest.com/40-of-americans-now-make-less-than-1968-minimum-wage/

Right now, forty percent of Americans make less than the minimum wage from 1968.
http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/raise-the-minimum-wage-19/?source=search

Daily CEO Pay Now Exceeds the Average Worker's Annual Salary –
http://thecontributor.com/daily-ceo-pay-now-exceeds-us-workers-annual-salary

76% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html

New Rule (Passed by Congress and signed by President Obama) signals Kiss of Death for Pensions
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100694955

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900

Wealthy win lion's share of major tax breaks
http://www.boston.com/business/news/2013/05/29/wealthy-win-lion-share-major-tax-breaks/Ua0UyYle21EUXub7g1suCI/story.html

Wealth gap widens as labor's share of income falls
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/wealth-gap-widens-labors-share-income-falls-1B6097385

As the Economy Recovers, the Wealth Gap Widens
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2013/03/11/as-the-economy-recovers-the-wealth-gap-widens

Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc



THIS ^ does NOT happen by accident.
Anyone who Works for a Living, looks at the above, and does NOT feel righteous anger is lacking an essential component of humanity.

Response to rateyes (Original post)

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
115. Those of us who have seen it before
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

know when we're seeing it again. "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

Response to rateyes (Original post)

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
129. First they create the disturbance, then point their fingers at the Bernie Delegates. It's all
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016

in their plan to paint Bernie Delegates as disruptors in preparation of the National Convention coming up.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
130. Bingo! Thread winner right here. ^^^
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

All this pearl clutching by DWS and the rest of the HRC machine is about creating a
disturbance to deflect from the fact that the nomination was won by egregious cheating
and take legitimacy away from the opposition to the coup.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
135. I'll be honest I have no respect for ignorant voters and politicians who use
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Their ignorance and then incite discourse....if sanders is nothing more than an angry old socialist hellbent on destroying America and his supporters feel the same.... Find another country to destroy because we won't let it happen here...

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