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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:54 AM May 2016

I don't trust Hillary or Donald on TPP. Hillary helped craft it, and

Donald has no core values.

Hillary is good on net neutrality, but she supports the TPP. Comcast and Time Warner lobbied for the TPP, both have donated to her campaign if she wins net neutrality will be on life support.

The TPP will kill it.

Donald Trump IMO, if anyone is paying attention is moving towards the establishment GOP everyday. He will be influenced. Sheldon Adelson has gotten him to flip on Israeli settlements.

With all that said Hillary is a little better than Trump.

If Hillary wins Merrick Garland will be approved we're fucked if Trump wins he appoints a Heritage Foundation appointee. We're fucked!

This country will take an L no matter who wins.

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I don't trust Hillary or Donald on TPP. Hillary helped craft it, and (Original Post) JRLeft May 2016 OP
TPP is a done deal no matter who wins. BillZBubb May 2016 #1
It does matter who wins... TCJ70 May 2016 #8
I agree, but the odds against Bernie are prohibitive. BillZBubb May 2016 #12
JRLeft—Democratic primaries voters have an opportunity… CobaltBlue May 2016 #2
Most democratic voters are choosing a Republican over a true progressive. JRLeft May 2016 #14
A lot of people think he's against it sandyshoes17 May 2016 #3
He's proven that he's ready to take orders. JRLeft May 2016 #10
Actually, TPP may help with net neutrality. Hoyt May 2016 #4
So, is net neutrality the "bone" they will trown to the voters in exchange for TPP? -nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #6
Simply responding on that one issue. Personally, I believe TPP is critical to our long-term future Hoyt May 2016 #7
I disagree. NorthCarolina May 2016 #9
If preservation means axing then yes, "preserving." JPnoodleman May 2016 #17
How many times must we be burned by shit trade deals before we say no more? JRLeft May 2016 #19
The TPP will kill net neutrality. JRLeft May 2016 #11
The TPP may help save net neutrality. puffy socks May 2016 #5
You truly believe Comcast who's lobbied for the TPP and against net neutrality JRLeft May 2016 #13
Comcast and Verizon have both railed heavily against Net Neutrality VulgarPoet May 2016 #15
True, I believe Verizon has led the way. JRLeft May 2016 #16
I dont care if Comcast lobbies. Lots of companies and organizations hire lobbyists. puffy socks May 2016 #18

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. TPP is a done deal no matter who wins.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

Hillary, if elected, will "evolve" back to full support before last ballots have been counted on election night.

Trump will do what the republican leadership wants him to do on it.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. It does matter who wins...
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

...if Bernie wins. Extremely long shot at this point, but it would make a difference in this regard.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
2. JRLeft—Democratic primaries voters have an opportunity…
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

and those who have—and those who will have—voted the nomination to Hillary Clinton rather than Bernie Sanders will blow this for everyone.

sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
3. A lot of people think he's against it
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016

All I've heard him say is he would get a better deal. Comcast has been lobbying for it big time. Anyone who even brings it up gets cut off on their shows. I know he brings ratings but they must believe he would get them a good deal. Not us

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Actually, TPP may help with net neutrality.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

"Some experts believe that the TTP could actually help with net neutrality.

"Although it stops short of requiring that member states adopt network neutrality laws, the telecommunications chapter may give regulators authority to impose more strict rules on internet service providers, says John Bergmayer, a senior staff attorney at digital right advocacy organization Public Knowledge.

"The proposal requires that member states ensure that businesses from other member states have access to public telecommunications services, including internet services, in all member states “on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions.” The agreement doesn’t actually require countries to impose new laws, but it does require that member states give its regulators the authority to create regulations to ensure access if necessary."

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/tpp-net-neutrality/

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Simply responding on that one issue. Personally, I believe TPP is critical to our long-term future
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

including preserving/improving Social Security, welfare, healthcare, education, jobs, integrating with rest of the world, etc. One of the things I really do not like about Sanders and his supporters, and Trump -- Nationalism and an America First mentality, not to mention myopia.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
19. How many times must we be burned by shit trade deals before we say no more?
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

Trade deals must be fair and include some measures of protectionism.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
5. The TPP may help save net neutrality.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:11 PM
May 2016

Controversial Trade Deal May Actually Help Net Neutrality

...
The release of the full text of the agreement has done little to stem the complaints. Privacy advocates say the proposals privacy protections are too weak. But it’s not all bad news for digital rights groups. Some experts believe that the TTP could actually help with net neutrality.

Although it stops short of requiring that member states adopt network neutrality laws, the telecommunications chapter may give regulators authority to impose more strict rules on internet service providers, says John Bergmayer, a senior staff attorney at digital right advocacy organization Public Knowledge.

The proposal requires that member states ensure that businesses from other member states have access to public telecommunications services, including internet services, in all member states “on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions.” The agreement doesn’t actually require countries to impose new laws, but it does require that member states give its regulators the authority to create regulations to ensure access if necessary.

The requirements also apply to “interconnection” deals—the agreements internet service providers strike to carry each other’s data—which must also be offered at “reasonable rates.” The proposal also calls for member states to ensure that telcos offer international roaming for mobile phones at “reasonable rates” and offer phone number portability between providers.

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/tpp-net-neutrality/

There is plenty good for labor in the TPP not everthing is going to be precisey what the average American wants... its a compromise.

Btw: getting contributions from employees is not the same as "Comcast" donating money.


 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
13. You truly believe Comcast who's lobbied for the TPP and against net neutrality
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

would support anything pro net neutrality?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
15. Comcast and Verizon have both railed heavily against Net Neutrality
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

Anyone who reads ArsTechnica knows this as gospel truth by now. Comcast is practically SALIVATING to double dip right now-- I wouldn't trust them if they told me NN got passed in full yesterday.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
18. I dont care if Comcast lobbies. Lots of companies and organizations hire lobbyists.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

So what if they lobbied for the TPP?
There's plenty of good in the TPP which most of you will willfully ignore or don't care unless you get everything your way.
Most of Comcast employees aren't Comcast's execs or investors, nor lobbyists and many of them also donated to Hillary's campaign.

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