2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI don't trust Hillary or Donald on TPP. Hillary helped craft it, and
Donald has no core values.
Hillary is good on net neutrality, but she supports the TPP. Comcast and Time Warner lobbied for the TPP, both have donated to her campaign if she wins net neutrality will be on life support.
The TPP will kill it.
Donald Trump IMO, if anyone is paying attention is moving towards the establishment GOP everyday. He will be influenced. Sheldon Adelson has gotten him to flip on Israeli settlements.
With all that said Hillary is a little better than Trump.
If Hillary wins Merrick Garland will be approved we're fucked if Trump wins he appoints a Heritage Foundation appointee. We're fucked!
This country will take an L no matter who wins.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary, if elected, will "evolve" back to full support before last ballots have been counted on election night.
Trump will do what the republican leadership wants him to do on it.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...if Bernie wins. Extremely long shot at this point, but it would make a difference in this regard.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)and those who haveand those who will havevoted the nomination to Hillary Clinton rather than Bernie Sanders will blow this for everyone.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)sandyshoes17
(657 posts)All I've heard him say is he would get a better deal. Comcast has been lobbying for it big time. Anyone who even brings it up gets cut off on their shows. I know he brings ratings but they must believe he would get them a good deal. Not us
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)"Some experts believe that the TTP could actually help with net neutrality.
"Although it stops short of requiring that member states adopt network neutrality laws, the telecommunications chapter may give regulators authority to impose more strict rules on internet service providers, says John Bergmayer, a senior staff attorney at digital right advocacy organization Public Knowledge.
"The proposal requires that member states ensure that businesses from other member states have access to public telecommunications services, including internet services, in all member states on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions. The agreement doesnt actually require countries to impose new laws, but it does require that member states give its regulators the authority to create regulations to ensure access if necessary."
http://www.wired.com/2015/11/tpp-net-neutrality/
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)including preserving/improving Social Security, welfare, healthcare, education, jobs, integrating with rest of the world, etc. One of the things I really do not like about Sanders and his supporters, and Trump -- Nationalism and an America First mentality, not to mention myopia.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Guess we're at an impasse.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Trade deals must be fair and include some measures of protectionism.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Controversial Trade Deal May Actually Help Net Neutrality
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The release of the full text of the agreement has done little to stem the complaints. Privacy advocates say the proposals privacy protections are too weak. But its not all bad news for digital rights groups. Some experts believe that the TTP could actually help with net neutrality.
Although it stops short of requiring that member states adopt network neutrality laws, the telecommunications chapter may give regulators authority to impose more strict rules on internet service providers, says John Bergmayer, a senior staff attorney at digital right advocacy organization Public Knowledge.
The proposal requires that member states ensure that businesses from other member states have access to public telecommunications services, including internet services, in all member states on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions. The agreement doesnt actually require countries to impose new laws, but it does require that member states give its regulators the authority to create regulations to ensure access if necessary.
The requirements also apply to interconnection dealsthe agreements internet service providers strike to carry each others datawhich must also be offered at reasonable rates. The proposal also calls for member states to ensure that telcos offer international roaming for mobile phones at reasonable rates and offer phone number portability between providers.
http://www.wired.com/2015/11/tpp-net-neutrality/
There is plenty good for labor in the TPP not everthing is going to be precisey what the average American wants... its a compromise.
Btw: getting contributions from employees is not the same as "Comcast" donating money.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)would support anything pro net neutrality?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Anyone who reads ArsTechnica knows this as gospel truth by now. Comcast is practically SALIVATING to double dip right now-- I wouldn't trust them if they told me NN got passed in full yesterday.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)So what if they lobbied for the TPP?
There's plenty of good in the TPP which most of you will willfully ignore or don't care unless you get everything your way.
Most of Comcast employees aren't Comcast's execs or investors, nor lobbyists and many of them also donated to Hillary's campaign.