2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe new vetting of Bill Clinton.
Forget his diamond encrusted parachute.
Jane Sanders. Bill Clinton. Goose. Gander.
Recently disclosed flight logs show Bill flew aboard the infamous jet with his very close pal, the infamous Jeffrey Epstein.
https://www.rt.com/usa/343048-clinton-epstein-lolita-express/
If you don't think this isn't going to be a huge issue, think again
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)She is under non stop assault and attack from the right and the left.
Well, I dont consider ANY person who would facilitate a Drumpf WH to be on the left, even remotely, but you know.
cali
(114,904 posts)You shouldn't. Hillary will be the nominee. If you lot are going to be ultra nasty about everything Sanders, instead of gracious winners, you're going to reap what you are sowing.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)story.
I see you have decided to purposely facilitate a Drumpf White House....I will blame you when he is elected and people start dying and are deported, etc.
cali
(114,904 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Bernie is embarrassed by people who claim to support him who would facilitate Drumpf White House.
Trust me on this.
Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #15)
Post removed
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Grab a clue instead of pretentiously spouting off.
And you really don't know Bernie as well as I do despite your crap about how YOU knew all about him before I'd ever heard of him.
You just look like a self-important know it all.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)I consider the millions who will be deported and maybe die to be more important than niceties.
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm done. And I have to say, I find the concern for life, ironic.
Libya. Iraq. Honduras.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Last edited Tue May 17, 2016, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)
waited a while, no answer
Hmmm
840high
(17,196 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
adigal
(7,581 posts)Whole different ballgame. Hillary can't ignore this if it has teeth and say it's a private issue. Clinton flew on that plane with that pedophile 26 times. Ugh.
She should have dumped Bill years ago if she knew she wanted to run for President.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Do you really have that much contempt for other participants here?
Or does Clinton pay you too much for you to let little things like the truth get in the way?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)But according to someone with intimate knowledge of the situation, Trump and Epstein appeared to have a somewhat stronger connection.
"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
When asked about a subpoena served to Trump in 2009, Garten said it "never happened." The subpoena called for Trump to give a deposition in a case against Epstein; Garten's denial baffled Brad Edwards, one of Virginia Roberts' attorneys.
"There is no debate over what happened," Edwards told VICE news. "I served Mr. Trump with a subpoena for deposition in 2009. He talked to me voluntarily, and consequently we withdrew the subpoena in light of his voluntarily providing information . I can't imagine there being any dispute of any of this."
Edwards also said that it is "obvious" Trump himself was not involved in any of Epstein's illicit activity.
Three days after denying the subpoena, Garten emailed VICE News.
"Brad [Edwards] called me to let me know that you had reached out to him," Garten said. "I looked back at my records and saw that Mr. Trump was subpoenaed."
In 2000, both Trump and Epstein reportedly attended a small party hosted by media magnate Conrad Black, who in 2007 was convicted and served time in prison for fraud and obstruction of justice (the fraud charges were overturned on appeal). Black is currently an enthusiastic supporter of Trump's presidential bid.
Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, testified in 2009 that Trump flew on Jeffrey's private jet at least once. Meanwhile, message pads [see below] from Epstein's Palm Beach mansion that were seized by investigators and obtained by VICE News indicate that Trump called Epstein twice in November of 2004.
cali
(114,904 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)about Epstein being a terrific guy on every single ad in the Fall. Every single one. Let him claim he's not as big a sleaze as Bill.
cali
(114,904 posts)It just magnifies that Bill flew on the perv plane 25x, ditching his Secret Service detail on several occasions.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)against donnie would be stupid. We all saw how that worked with the rest of the dwarfs running against him for the nomination. Let's try and remember Bill isn't running and donnie is.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)She can't have it both ways (though I'm sure she'll try to).
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)she was putting him in charge of her Presidency. That's a fantasy you made up.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)You made that fantasy up.
She said she'd put him in charge of trade deals and the economy (so far). Therefore, his ideas and record on economics and trade are fair game for the campaign.
That's bad enough.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)your implication by saying she was putting him in charge. Don't try and back out of it now.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Perhaps Bill can turn this around with a bold move: play the "I'm a bigger pervert" card.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is use donnie's own words against him. It's not rocket science. He'll be claiming what a sleaze bill must be for associating with Epstein and all Hillary needs is an ad quoting donnie. What's he going to say? Hillary's HUSBAND is a bigger sleaze than I am? I don't think so.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Trump is the king of insults, I would not try to beat him at his own game.
Bill is pure liability... and if Hill is not stopped by Sanders, we are in the soup.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Nobody is a bigger sleaze than donnie. He seemingly has zero idea of what's coming his way.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)I like nonsense... may I have some more?
We shall soon see who wins the battle of the sleaze kings.
I think Bill whoops him!!!
Orgies on the Lolita with 12-year-old girls is gonna be hard to
beat.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)another supposed liberal who doesn't know donnie at all and believes everything on free republic. The other gop candidates were afraid to use the mountain of dirt there is on him for fear of pissing off his imbecile supporters. Hillary will have no such problem. Neither will her superpacs.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Such a parcel of nonsense before lunch.
It will be kinda fun watching
Bill's full history of sleaze being exposed for all to see.
He has it coming.
Let's wait and see... 'k?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Could you be any more obvious?
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)I recall Epstein and his Lolita jet
but not the Clinton tie-in.
This is some ugly stuff.
Response to cali (Original post)
Name removed Message auto-removed
Is a dawg.
I hate all this. I just wish we could have left the sleeping dog to lie. But noooooo. We have to expose his gross penchant for little girls who can't fight back, again.
The Clintons could have done so much for the party in any other capacity. But naked ambition will make people take all risk, of exposure, closet skeletons, stained blue dresses and big cigars.
I had respect for the Clintons as our former first couple.
All my respect has evaporated and been replaced with resentment and contempt.
adigal
(7,581 posts)to have that in his background and support his wife running for President.
Then I think of John Edwards and just put my head in my hands. These people have HUGE egos, don't they?? Egos that lead them into complete and total public shaming, and even jail time. Dammit.
2cannan
(344 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They like to live on the edge of morality and the law.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts).
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)obsessed over The Clenis.....where it had been, who it had seen.
It's good to know it's back.
cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)What does that prove?
cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)I just said hubris in another post. Plain hubris. Even if innocent, this makes him look complicit, especially with his background, and hurts Hillary, who can't brush pedophile behavior under the "it's private" rug.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)they don't know what was going down on that plane?
Come on, I teach high school and every kid in this building knows every other kids' business. That is a small world, the billionaires and multi-millionaires. They are assumed to know.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)Not go on double dates with him or her.
We've had it happen in my small school several times. And good teachers willingly report anything like this!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)use of the term "double-date."
adigal
(7,581 posts)Are you seriously implying I meant that literally? After I said I would throw any teacher who did that under the bus? After 25 years in education, I am not even going to explain further. Way to
make up shit.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)Monica and the Clenis are still classics on DU, long after everyone else stopped caring.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)another DU classic....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4512162
TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)*snort*
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,326 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)That's the beauty of having the Donald as their nominee; pretty much every tried & true attack line by the RNC is neutered.
cali
(114,904 posts)beaglelover
(3,496 posts)TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)You might want to head on over.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)two weeks ago. That was the meme multiple Sanders supporters decided to try.
Nothing tops RAPE FANTASIES, btw
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'm not saying he did, but he hasn't explicitly said he hasn't either. Until Bernie Sanders says he didn't rape and murder a girl in 1990, then I don't think we can discount the idea either.
Think that's a stupid thing to say? Well, so is suggesting Bill Clinton is involved underage sex trafficking.