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[Trust Buster]

1. These are people I wish no association with. Even Trump supporters are more civil. Wow !!!!

[Human101948]

12. She's probably totally innocent too!

She didn't pull any underhanded, sleazy tricks. It's just not true!

[Bobbie Jo]

16. Are you saying she deserved that shit?

Clarify.

[pnwmom]

17. There is no excuse for misogyny and threats. n/t

[Human101948]

20. What's the recourse for dirty tricks in this situation?

Maybe protesting to Debiie Wasserman Schultz?

That would surely bring a fair resolution.

[pnwmom]

22. Specifically, what dirty tricks did she pull? And are you aware that the GOP in Nevada

is in charge of voter registration?

[Human101948]

28. So the Republicans were running the meeting?

Apparently annoyed at Sanders supporters having managed to take advantage of Clinton delegate candidate no-shows to obtain more spots, the Nevada state party put through rule changes weeks before the state convention that gave the meeting chair complete and arbitrary control of the final step in the delegate certification process. That in turn produced a convention that was entirely undemocratic in the small d sense, with some Sanders delegates who had won their positions via the then-existing rules being stripped of their standing. In addition, the meeting was run on authoritarian lines, with party members offering pro-Sanders motions having the microphones cut off and the meeting being terminated with motions still on the floor. Don’t buy Twitterverse claims that the meeting was run in accordance with Robert’s Rules of Order; accepting a motion to adjourn without a second was one of many dubious procedures.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/democratic-establishments-thuggish-power-grab-at-nevada-convention.html

[pnwmom]

50. Hundreds of Sanders delegates who attended the 2nd level caucuses didn't show up for this one.

That wasn't Lange's fault.

And it wasn't wrong to expect ALL delegates to be Democrats and to provide ID. Since credentials weren't checked at the 2nd level caucus, my guess is that many of the hundreds who didn't show up this time weren't credentialed Democrats.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wtf-happened-at-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention-20160517?page=2

According to the Nevada Democratic Party, the Sanders campaign had a sizable advantage in delegate slots (2,124 to Clinton's 1,722) going into the convention, but it failed to fill all of those slots — only 1,662 Sanders delegates showed up on Saturday, compared to 1,693 Clinton ones.

Sanders supporters argue that the party refused to credential 64 of their delegates. By comparison, just eight Clinton delegates were disqualified in a similar manner.

Of the 64 disputed Sanders delegates, the party contends, only eight showed up at the convention on Saturday, and six were ultimately seated. The remaining 58 were disqualified, the party claims, either because they were not registered as democrats by May 1st, or because they did not respond to the party's attempts to verify their names, birthdays and addresses.

[Demsrule86]

74. The dirty tricks were on your side

The entire thing planned . Hillary won the state so take your ball and go home...you get no more delegates...let Bernie go to court, he will just look worse than he already does.

[synergie]

38. She actually was, but that you think this behavior is acceptable in any circumstance

Shows exactly how and why those engaging in this behavior and those cheering it on are not Democrats, Progressives or even liberals.

Pure RIght Wing BS. The ratfuckeked and the ratfuckery are showing who and what they are.

Please proceed.

[MineralMan]

56. So, you think that crap is justified?

Really? Feh!

[trueblue2007]

37. I agree. I think all those harrassing people and people doing death threats SHOULD BE JAILED

THEY ARE SUPPORTING VIOLENCE!

[Human101948]

42. Trump supporters would have physicially assaulted her...

It's already happened.

[underthematrix]

2. Welp. We already know they're Republicans

which is why they could not be seated as delegates to the DEMOCRATIC convention

[dchill]

3. Idle threats posted by assholes.

Yet the only REAL violence is committed by a famous Hillary Clinton supporter. Wendell Pierce.

Go ye forth and figure!

[seabeyond]

5. Here is the thing. No supporter dismissed it, justified it, excused it. Unlike you just did with

this behavior.

[dchill]

10. I just did nothing of the kind.

I defined it, using my own sense. I do not excuse, justify or dismiss it.

[seabeyond]

13. "Idle threats". How benign right? Yes, you did.

[Human101948]

21. How many people died?

None. But we can be sure that tens, maybe hundreds of thousands will die when Hillary gets her finger on the trigger of the U.S. military.

[seabeyond]

27. So, the only behavior that gets called out is IF someone dies?

[Human101948]

44. Let's start with the serious stuff and work our way down...

This is like concentrating on vandalism and letting the murderers get away.

[seabeyond]

51. Ya. Dismiss misogyny. Put it to the side. Not an important issue. Focus on the important shit.

Trust me, I know this part of Sanders campaign.

[Human101948]

54. Being a woman excuses war piggishness?

A "Get of Jail Free" card?

[seabeyond]

64. Now you are simply making shit up, walking away from what you said, not owning.

[trueblue2007]

39. ME THINKS YOU ARE IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD.

As you can NOT foretell the future, you are spouting dis-topian crap.

have a nice day.

[Human101948]

52. Past behavior is often a good predictor of future events...

Hillary the Hardheaded Hawk

Admirer of Henry Kissinger, supporter of the Iraq War in 2003, self-styled conqueror of Qaddafi and Libya (“We came. We saw. He died,” Hillary the Hawk laughed), fervid supporter of Bibi Netanyahu and Israel, Hillary Clinton is ready to take on the world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-astore/hillary-the-hardheaded-ha_b_9764184.html

How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk ­ The New York Times
But Clinton’s foreign­ policy instincts are bred in the bone — grounded in cold realism about human nature and what
one aide calls “a textbook view of American exceptionalism.” It set her apart from her rival ­turned­boss, Barack Obama, who avoided military entanglements and tried to reconcile Americans to a world in which the United
States was no longer the undisputed hegemon. And it will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election. For all their bluster about bombing the Islamic State into oblivion, neither Donald J.
Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas has demonstrated anywhere near the
appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html

[seabeyond]

66. Story telling

[dchill]

23. Did what?

Sorry not to agree to helping YOU deflect from the horrible behavior of the Nevada Democratic party through the whole process. The threats are vile. That does not mean Roberta Lange is a fine, upstanding citizen. She's a rule-breaking partisan who knew what she was doing.

[seabeyond]

29. Wow, took a small step forward. Ok. Threats vile. Got it.

[dchill]

34. Yes, and since I'm "watching my tone"...

I didn't say that Lange was "vile." That's gotta count in my favor, too, right?

[seabeyond]

48. What ever floats your boat. I have not once sat in position telling people how to feel about Lange.

I do however call out false, unproven accusations that Clinton stole and flip registrations and the vileness of discourse, the violence threats and intimidation.

[dchill]

61. Clinton never stole anything.

But she has too many state-level officials who do it for her, whether she likes it or not. And I personally think she does like it.

[seabeyond]

65. I disagree. Fabricating accusations. The Sanders way.

[dchill]

68. I've never posted this reply before, but...

LOL!

[synergie]

43. So many are outing what they truly are with this newest act of Bernie rage

When faced with their attempts to cheat being thwarted, and over 4 delegates that they did not have the brains to bother to show up to vote for.

[seabeyond]

49. It was pretty damn clear last April, May. But ya... validating what we said way back then, anyway. N

[LanternWaste]

7. That's a great way to both minimize and then deflect it!

That's a great way to both minimize and then deflect it! Very clever, indeed.

[dchill]

14. Thanks.

I thought so, since it's true.

[riversedge]

9. Pierce is contesting the assult. the police are handling it. It is alledged at this

moment and will prob go to court.

[pnwmom]

18. Throwing chairs is violence. n/t

[dchill]

24. Pictures? Video?

Didn't think so.

[pnwmom]

25. So if someone wasn't there with an iPhone it didn't happen? n/t

[dchill]

32. Pretty much.

Your problem is that you don't see anything wrong with what Lange did.

[synergie]

45. Given that there was nothing wrong with what Lange did, we don't see blatant lies

To excuse violent mobs that required the hotel to shut you down. That you excuse violence and deny it exists AGAIN as you ignore threats of more violence speaks volumes about just how far off the ranks you Berners are.

[pnwmom]

46. What did she do that was wrong? Expecting all delegates to have ID and party membership

was not wrong.

[seabeyond]

6. That is what happens when asking RW to be your base. Nt

[obamanut2012]

15. JFC this is horrible

[azurnoir]

8. all based on RalstonReports and the address and phone number posted on twitter were for the NV DNC

b

[riversedge]

11. Ralston Reports reported that Sander fans gave out the private cell numbers at the convention-

then the calls-texts start later Sat night.

[azurnoir]

31. Thanks for making my point last night I tested out those numbers that's how I know where they go

I also check 800 notes which listed the number as being that of NV DNC

[AgingAmerican]

19. Most likely sent by Hillary supporters

Cuz that's how they roll

[dchill]

26. Cuz that's how they troll.

[winter is coming]

57. ...

[HooptieWagon]

30. Brocks BroBots sure are active.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

33. DRumpf is going to steal the election with the help of BoB. MIllions lives will be destroyed and

possibly all life will end.

Maybe it is fate, we are destroying the planet and we must destroy ourselves before it is too late.

[nc4bo]

35. The Brockolettes have come out with a new album.

Titled: The Million Dollar Babie$.

[PeteSelman]

36. I don't think those are Bernie supporters.

Those are people posing as such.

No genuine liberal uses those terms, threatens people or has such poor grammar.

These are disrupters from the right trying to discredit all Democrats. I'm not buying.

[apnu]

40. Also being reported are calls and threats to businesses Lange owns

Business state Democratic chairwoman oversees targeted by Berners
by Jon Ralston Tue, 05/17/2016 - 06:46

Irate Berne Sanders supporters did not just leave threatening voicemails and texts for state Democratic Party Chairwoman Roberta Lange but also launched an assault on the businesses she oversees, the owner says.

Tom Gallagher, the former Caesars CEO and congressional candidate, said that his son's tavern, the Porchlight Grille, began receiving threats shortly after the convention ended in chaos Saturday. Lange is the day operations manager there.

"Beginning about 3am on Sunday morning our bartenders at Porchlight Grille began getting non-stop phone threats from Bernie partisans," Gallagher told me via email. "The level of threats including death threats and vitriol was astonishing. One of our bartenders was actually a Bernie supporter and was stunned at the threats he was hearing on the phone. He began to respond telling people that he was just trying to do his job and pay off his student loans and their tactics were harming his livelihood. It made no difference to the callers. Their goal was to harass and as became clear....to shut down the business and Roberta’s job with it."

Gallagher said the calls continued during the day Sunday until the eatery disconnected the phone.

"At one point on Sunday before we unplugged the phones, I took a turn at answering and experienced such a nasty call that a Metro officer who happened to be in the tavern as a customer picked up the call and attempted to encourage the woman to stop, explaining that what she was doing was unlawful harassment," Gallagher told me. "It made no difference. She actually responded that it was her right of free speech."

And then the social media assault commenced.

From Gallagher: "The Porchlight website and Facebook page were similarly attacked with threats, including by someone who set up a fake 'Roberta Lange' ID on Facebook and then posted on the Porchlight Facebook page incredibly slanderous attacks against both Roberta and her husband Ken, including a post by the so-called 'Roberta Lange' that accused her husband Ken of crimes against children!"

Gallagher then said people began posting negative reviews of the business on Yelp "claiming all kind of bad experiences. On the Google site for the tavern someone posted that it was “permanently closed”! We have so far been unable to get Google to correct this. Needless to say our business has been affected negatively. In 50 years in politics I have never seen stuff like this."

Link: https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/business-state-democratic-chairwoman-oversees-targeted-berners

[winter is coming]

55. Uh huh. Ralston's sure a busy fellow. n/t

[apnu]

63. Shouldn't be too hard to verify. A simple call to the business would do.

[CherokeeDem]

41. My question is....

has Sanders condemned the actions of his supporters? I haven't seen it yet but I've not been watching the news today until just now.

[NurseJackie]

47. Apparently he'd rather not talk about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511980568

[CherokeeDem]

60. Wow...

True colors are hard to cover, aren't they?

I think Bernie entered this race just to make noise and make his point. When so many people bought his rhetoric and he started seeing the crowds, the power went to his head. The Bernie Sanders of today looks like a man who is in love with power and will do everything he has to do not to let it go.

Not to condemn the actions of these supporters is unconscionable.

[pressbox69]

69. Exactly, horrible.

Bernie should say something. They behaved just like Trump's tramps.

[MineralMan]

53. Last straw, in my opinion.

This is unconscionable, completely.

I don't know who those people are who posted that crap and who are threatening people, but I would not want them on my side if I were a presidential candidate. I would not remain silent about it either, if I were a presidential candidate.

In my opinion, this should end Bernie Sanders candidacy once and for all. Bigtree's post about the convention makes that even more clear.

I'm done with this and cannot wait for Clinton's nomination to be clear, once and for all.

[Arkana]

58. Bernie Sanders has already made it well known

that he wants nothing to do with the chauvinists that "support" him.

And if these people are representative of Bernie as a whole, why weren't the PUMAs representative of Hillary supporters as a whole in 2008, I wonder?

[SheenaR]

59. It's the year 2016

With campaigns run increasingly in the mud, I do not know how anyone can concretely say they know who these people support. I can send a hate filled text and say #ImWithHer. Anyone could.

These messages are disturbing. I would like to know where the proof is that each of these were Sanders supporters.

I'm not naive either. I realize some Sanders supporters have gone overboard. But it's a broad ass brush being used to paint here.

[CTyankee]

62. I go further and think this is a real plot to keep Sanders' ideas from catching on any further.

I am very suspicious of the people doing thiis. I support Sanders and know of no one like me who supports him who would ever act like this. This is an attempt to smear Sanders and it is just so vile I suspect a well rehearsed campaign to tear Bernie's movement down. Even the republicans I know are never like this and certainly not Sanders dems...

[Skwmom]

67. What proof. NOT. Hmmm... wonder how much Brock is paying per word.

Well, that's assuming they aren't just created out of whole cloth (which could easily be the case). Though it could still be based on the # of words for extra pay for the use of certain ones...

[SheenaR]

73. As I said above

there is no proof. It certainly looks bad. But I could e-mail Tulsi Gabbard right now , tell her she's a piece of garbage and that I am a Hillary supporter. Wouldn't make it so.

[workinclasszero]

70. Filthy POS!

Don't tell me these berners are in any way, shape or form progressive, liberal or democrat!

They and the Trump baggers are one and the same!

I hope some of these lowlife bastards are arrested for making terror threats!

[pressbox69]

72. Hate to see anyone that supports a Democrat for President

devolve into one of Trump's Tramps.

[eastwestdem]

71. Wow...ironically, this is going to scar their 'movement' irreparably

no one takes thugs seriously.

[Nye Bevan]

75. Wow.

Keep it classy, bros.