2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSure looks like a lot of VERY SCARED Hillaryans here today.
Here is the news.
Bernie is not going to drop out no matter what kind of cray cray poo you throw.
It is just not going to happen.
You are wasting your energy.
It's MAY! The flowers are blooming, the birds are singing, and spring has sprung.
Take a deep breath. Think about how delicious it will be when one of our candidates beats Donald.
Use your energy for something positive today.
Beating up Bernie is not positive. If Hillary is going to win, what's the point of beating Bernie up and further alienating his supporters?
The more you hammer Bernie, the more Rove likes it!!!
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)if her royal highness has already claimed the crown. Not sure why they aren't attacking Trump as much as they're attacking Sanders.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Why don't you believe Carville?
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/democratic-strategist-hillary-needs-bernie
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)Hillary Clinton et al could have been the adults but re-used the tactics that contributed to the Clinton loss in 2008.
There is no argument that Hillary Clinton started out the front runner in 2016 as Clinton was in campaign mode far before other potential candidates; IMO Clinton and the DNC discouraged other candidates and treated Clinton like an incumbent and presumptive nominee.
Sanders has had results far more than anyone expected plus he is refreshing and wants to transform the USA away from neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism, Many of us agree and have had this commitment for decades.
My conclusion is that Hillary Clinton and her supporters want the antiwar liberal Democrats to leave the party as they drive the final stake into the New Deal.
Why? They expect that the moderately sane GOP of Reagan and the Bushes will join in a coalition away from the crazy that is the GOP.
Hillary Clinton carries the torch for Reagan, both Bushes, Bill Clinton, and to a lesser extent POTUS Obama.
Hillary Clinton has the current approval of personas like Kissinger, Kagan, and Koch.
Is this person suitable to be POTUS or CIC?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and got nothing but insults and venom in return. Same as I'm getting now but now I don't look like a pathetic coward.
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)Hillary Clinton had a similar tone to her campaign in 2008.
Recall that birtherism started with a hint from Clinton.
Recall that the PUMA movement came from the Hillary Clinton campaign.
My manners have slipped.
A far higher proportion of Clinton supporters at DU are consistently rude and invalidate other with different opinions.
Sanders may well not prevail but the campaign still goes on despite the near constant refrain that Sanders should quit.
Many of us are good, informed Democrats of long standing that do not like the neo-liberal takeover of the Democratic party.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Give yourself some credit!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That's why I'm now fighting back.
Democrats have become Eisenhower Republicans (with more tolerance to minorities) and the Republicans have become the John Birch Society.
Not sure what that leaves for FDR / Kennedy Democrats.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)There is a difference between discussing Clinton's choices (Iraq war vote) that are a matter of record vs. rumors that Bernie Supporters were a violent bunch at the convention (which so far there is no video evidence of supporters getting violent)
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Plenty
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)isn't proof that a hockey fight broke out at the convention.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Not just booing but yelling obscene language at women
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Put some people in jail instead of playing the victim card on national TV
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)feel about Clinton's record.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Otherwise the media might report on the progress of the criminal and civil cases against HRC.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)by presenting the event organizer's POV that violence occurred at the convention and that Sanders supporters were the culprits. Its a news organization legitimizing a non-story.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)legitimizing a non story.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Otherwise, Hillary would have to own up to some of her rhetoric.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)If you recall she said that the Frank-Dodd law is "progressive" since it reigns in Wall Street (which it doesn't). We need to build on that by writing more weak legislation that allows corporations to get away with more shit. That's progress!
pdsimdars
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I liked full stop the most but both are really good! I'm gonna check them out with my headphones when I get home as it sounds like there's some good panning in those songs.
I really haven't listened to Radioed in a while but always liked their early stuff. After Prince died I listened to this song quite a few times and got me curious about the new stuff from them. Thanks for the tip!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Incredible.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The only meltdown today is coming from wild-eyed spittle-flinging Hillarites, infuriated that he's not legitimizing their Queen's latest provocation.
coco77
(1,327 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
They seem to be awfully insecure for having a inevitable candidate that no one can beat.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Here is the news.
Hillary is not going to drop out no matter what kind of cray cray poo you throw.
It is just not going to happen.
You are wasting your energy.
It's MAY! The flowers are blooming, the birds are singing, and spring has sprung.
Take a deep breath. Think about how delicious it will be when one of our candidates beats Donald.
Use your energy for something positive today.
Beating up Hillary is not positive.
The more you hammer Hillary, the more Rove likes it!!!
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Grasswire, swap Bernie's name with Hillary's and that's our news as Hillary supporters!
Way to go!
frylock
(34,825 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sid and Brock, too.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And I thank you for your diligence in bringing it to light so early on; a bunch of hateful, angry children constitutionally-incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions.
It makes me glad that Bernie Sanders will never be President.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)hateful angry children....wow
Some of us here are older than dirt, and peaceniks to boot.
I am sorry that Hillary can't calm her troops today. It's May. Spring. Get a little love in your heart!
ancianita
(35,950 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)timlot
(456 posts)I'm so over this fight though. The general election is going to be a grind and I'm not going to repeat the mistake I made in 2012 by following the daily campaign news. I'm going to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is and let the chips fall. We are all just one vote anyway. Don't drive yourself crazy folks.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's messy.
Wait till Trump starts to unload on us.
Your lot has taken great pains to insist there is no "us", right?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Take a breath and try rereading before you post.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Want me to translate?
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)really we are just discussing the current events.
Also, when Sanders supporters become violent and threaten Democratic officials, it is worth speaking out against.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I'd like to see them.
Oh, and did you see the news of the celebrity Hillary supporter who physically attacked a woman simply because she supports Bernie?
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Large group violence makes more of an impact than small ones, so unfortunately, I've never heard of the one you mentioned.
.99center
(1,237 posts)"Large group violence"
Can you provide a link to these riots you speak of? I'm sure the women who were followed and attacked by her supporter felt the impact.
Jude the Obscure
(50 posts)He plays Robert Zane, Mike's love interest's father. Now that they are renewing for Season 6, I hear the Zanes are on the outs.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)A simple video of violence by Bernie supporters will do.
tia
Codeine
(25,586 posts)propaganda? Beating up Clinton is not positive. The more you hammer Hillary the more Rove likes it!!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Thank you for the opportunity to post this:
U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth ruled on March 29 that where there is evidence of government wrong-doing and bad faith, as here, limited discovery is appropriate, even though it is exceedingly rare in FOIA cases.
And so the process of discovery continues.
5/16/2016
Judicial Watch announced today that it has filed a proposed order for discovery with a federal court that seeks the testimony of Hillary Clinton about her use of non-state.gov email account(s) for official State Department business. Judicial Watchs discovery plan also seeks the testimony of Cheryl Mills, Clintons former chief of staff; and Jacob Jake Sullivan, former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff, as well as other current and former State Department officials. Judicial Watch proposes the testimony take place over 12 weeks.
Todays filing comes in a July 2014 Freedom of Information (FOIA) lawsuit seeking records and communications in the Secretarys Office related to the since discredited talking points used by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice to describe the nature of the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attack ( Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:14-cv-01242)).
Clintons proposed testimony would cover the search in response to Judicial Watchs FOIA request and, according to the filing:
searches of the Office of the Secretary for emails relating to the September 12, 2012 Benghazi attack and its aftermath, including searches for the Accountability Review Board, congressional inquiries, other FOIA requests, and the preparation of Secretary Clintons testimony before Congress on January 23, 2013;
the State Departments policies, practices, procedures and/or actions (or lack thereof) to secure, inventory, and/or account for all records, including emails, of Secretary Clinton, prior to termination of employment with the State Department; and
the use of non-state.gov email account(s) to conduct official State Department business by Secretary Clinton and other officials and staff in the Office of the Secretary;
Judicial Watchs other proposed witnesses include:
Cheryl Mills
Jacob Sullivan
Lauren Jiloty, former special assistant to Clinton
Monica Hanley, former Clinton aide
Clarence Finney, State Department records management official
30(b)(6) witness(es) (designated State Department witness(es) who testify on behalf of the agency)
Judicial Watch also seeks documents about the State Departments Benghazi document responses and the handling of non-State.gov emails of Clinton and other top State officials, in particular:
All documents that concern or relate to the processing of any and all searches of the Office of the Secretary for emails relating to the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attack and its aftermath, including but not limited to:
searches for records for the Accountability Review Board;
searches in response to congressional inquiries (including requests from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform dated September 20, 2012, October 2, 2012, October 29, 2012, and November 1, 2012);
searches in preparation of Secretary Clintons testimony before Congress on January 23, 2013; and
searches in response to FOIA requests, including but not limited to the FOIA request submitted by Plaintiff in this case.
Such documents would include the tasking, tracking and reporting records for such searches. Forms DS-1748 and any search slips, search tasker, search details, shall also be considered responsive.
All communications that concern or relate to the processing of all searches referenced in Document Request No. 1 above, including directions or guidance about how and where to conduct the searches, whether and how to search Secretary Clintons email, and issues, problems, or questions concerning the searches and/or search results.
All records that concern or relate to the State Departments policies, practices, procedures and/or actions (or lack thereof) to secure, inventory, and/or account for all records, including emails, of Secretary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin and Jacob Sullivan prior to their termination of employment with the State Department.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)thank you for proving my point.
Too bad that Hillary didn't handle her responsibility better as SoS.
This was all so unnecessary.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)forgetful, made a mistake, etc. Not the qualities one looks for in a president. At worst, she is a crook. See last sentence.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Remember, they said "deflect, destroy Bernie."
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)as long as HRC people keep telling their lies here.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that kind of bullshit will get you banned as soon as Bernie suspends.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You just want to see Sanders supporters banned. That would be so cool. Then maybe the HRC campaign can offer $$ to the admins for the site and rename it Camp Clinton where everyone thinks and says the exact same thing? Good times, huh?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Take your outrageous outrage someplace else. I'm not interested. I want anyone who doesn't support the Democratic nominee to be banned....I don't care who they support in the primary.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Nothing like a good old voter suppression campaign in an attempt to ensure your weak candidate will win the primary, right?
I don't know how you all will manage to do it in the GE though as Republicans are masters of election fraud. Can you tell us how they do it?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You don't like the rules at DU...start your own board.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I didn't see any drama in my post, nor did I complain about any damn rules.
Good to know, that I apparently hit a nerve.
Talk about drama.
Are you always such a poor winner?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)AND loser. But after 6 months of being called names and being attacked for my beliefs, I simply stopped caring. I'm also rarely on the internet at night so I have no idea what you're referring to there.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Feel free to point it out or move on.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...I'm NOT moving on and I would hardly ever do so at your behest, not especially considering that if I did, I'd miss all the drama queen bullshit you are producing every time your fingers alight upon your keyboard.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you're ranting about. And frankly, I don't care.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)And that you claim you don't is yet another example of your drama queen bullshit every time your fingers hit the keys!
Thank you for continuing to entertain with your drama queen bullshit commentary!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)fake outrage didn't work. I guess they have to try fake fear.
PufPuf23
(8,756 posts)obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)And if they try to lock Sanders and his supporters out, the DNC would only ensure a Trump victory. That would be like committing suicide for the Democratic party.
potone
(1,701 posts)I think the reason they are all out today is to draw attention away from the primaries in Kentucky and Oregon, which they fear that Sanders will win.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Either way it goes, Hillary people will either be sore losers or sore winners.
potone
(1,701 posts)nolabear
(41,937 posts)Heck, there's so much to be aghast at I can't decide what order to put them in.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)The corporate ownership of Team Clinton needs to be put on notice that they can't just buy the Democratic Party without a fight.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Stories that start like that are more believable.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Good news, eh?
Sid
hack89
(39,171 posts)challenging BernieBro bullshit does not mean we are scared. It means we are challenging your bullshit. Nothing more. Nothing less.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)you are spot on.
sick of the 4 year old hissy fit tantrums.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Because people are tired of this crap Sanders and his people are doing to be destructive of Democratic Party.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Keep paddling!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Since Super Tuesday, Clinton has been the winner, Sanders supporters just does not believe it.
Yet,..... This little game of yours and others telling us how afraid we are is so beyond stupid.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)party. Yes, I am concerned about the party. Politics needs parties to function. This is a disgraceful and twisted end to this process, which has been a foregone conclusion since March 15th.
I pray that Hillary wins Kentucky tonight to firmly shut the door on this whole thing. At that point, Bernie's necessary delegate pick-ups in the remaining states is laughably high, given that so much of California will have already cast their ballots via early voting.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Get your facts straight!
Joob
(1,065 posts)NO VIOLENCE. I'm so glad Bernie WOKE ME UP this election. If Bernie doesn't win DONE with the Democratic Party.
That convention was Undemocratic as fuck and it's ignored. TONS of VIDEOS out there of it. MSM doesn't show those videos. MSM doesnt show the videos where the VOTES happened. Hmmm. GEE I wonder why
grasswire
(50,130 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)painting Bernie delegates as being disruptors all in preparation for the National Convention.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)because they did not get their way.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)coco77
(1,327 posts)shut up and just go along to get along just because Bernie tells us to,we are not robots.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And ridiculous as well. You are making a fool of yourself.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Because no one else seems to.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)BTW, I'm not scared. I think it's funny that is even a thought.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Honey, you are having what you'd call a "losing the news cycle" day. This is a TERRIBLE day for the Bernie campaign. FFS, Harry Reid is basically begging Bernie to say SOMETHING to condemn the violence in NV. That is BAD optics.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Beowulf
(761 posts)The playbook calls for candidate Clinton to ignore the left as much as possible because they have no where else to go and then tack right, which is where the constituencies with which they are most comfortable lie. But this cycle the left did not lie down and she had to spend way too much time and resources addressing the left. So, yes, Camp Hillary is acting sacred. The left isn't going away. Their instinct is to crush the left, except they need it to win elections. Yet, they also lack the constitution to affect a genuine coalition. They made this bed, they will need to lie in it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Hillary people should push back. Sander supporters have made it clear there will be no unity. What is the incentive to sit back and get beat up by Sanders without pushing back? Party unity? NO. They made it clear that is gone.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I pretty much think you could have put a fork into that demeanor L O N G ago, as it was... DONE!