2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIMO, the chances of a Sanders 3rd party run
are increasing every day.
The DNC seems to be intent on ensuring it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but you're free to believe any fantasy you wish.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I guess this is what happens when a generation never subjected to the word "no" becomes politically active.
B2G
(9,766 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Utter. Nonsense.
B2G
(9,766 posts)LexVegas
(6,059 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)of a Sanders supporter. Cali is dedicated, passionate, and devoted without being an asshole.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)held today.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)Most of the Democratic vote would stay with Hillary and he'd pull very little from Trump. The consequence would be a Trump presidency and probably by a good margin.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Now we understand. Thank you.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You can't get your name on the GE ballot if you run for the nomination of a political party and lose.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)after the 2 main party's conventions. Losing presidential primary candidates have gotten on the ballot in all 50 states in the past. It is very difficult to do so though, as the process is labor intensive (getting the required petition signatures in each state.) and time sensitive due to the varied deadlines around the nation.
msongs
(67,394 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)barring a really egregious action, I doubt that Sanders would run as a 3rd party candidate.
And a draft campaign for president has not worked yet, but then there has never before been such an admired, trustworthy, genuine and knowledgeable people's candidate as Bernie Sanders. He actually has a decent possibility of winning as a draftee and I doubt he would turn down such a win.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Vinca
(50,261 posts)Bernie could be the third party and maybe the GOP would run someone halfway sane as a fourth party. The two-party system is just not working this time around. The irony is the people who, out of disgust, have changed their party affiliation to Indie are now doubly screwed because they can't vote in most of the primaries and are stuck with a choice of either bad or worse.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)And we'd lose that for sure. Our system is not institutionally designed for multiple parties. If we had proportional representation, that would be one thing.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)He doesn't want to split the vote. He will back Hillary.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Anything less and his career in Democratic politics is over.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Sanders will be fine - don't worry your purdy lil ole head about him.
Cream always rises.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Remember the zclintons never forgive or forget---if she wins the GE there will be hell to pay and worse if she loses. Either way he's done for and he knows it
procon
(15,805 posts)Tip: Don't use words like extortion or blackmail, probably hard to fundraise off 'em, unless your name is something Guido, you know?
Spoiler would word, but it already has a bad rep, so that's out too.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)have with Trump.
And that's how a unified party's going to see it, too.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)The minor parties have been holding their own primaries, and I don't think any of the winners are going to step aside for Sanders. Getting a new party started up and on the ballots in enough states to give him an electoral majority is long, hard, and tedious work - state ballot rules are designed to hinder these kind of start-ups.
A national write-in campaign? I don't know enough about the election laws in all the states to say whether this is feasible.
because he said he wouldn't. Besides, even if he changed his mind, it's well past deadline in most states for him to get on the ballot. No, we will announce his support for Hillary and he will campaign, though not so much for her as against Donald Trump and the Clinton camp should be delighted with that as that would be where he would be most effective for her. After the election, that's when things could get interesting. He's called for a movement and that would be when organizing such a movement would begin, likely seeking out existing groups with whom to partner.
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)in many other states
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)If Bernie wanted to run third party, he could have announced that a year ago. He would have been welcomed as the Green Party nominee with open arms. Jill Stein, the presumptive nominee, would certainly have stepped aside for him. I don't think he even would have had to worry about winning primaries because as I understand it the Greens hold few if any primaries. He would have been on the ballot everywhere for the general election, as was Nader.
He didn't do that. His reason for not doing it -- that he doesn't want to split the vote and help elect the Republican nominee -- is still perfectly valid. He expressly referred to the lesson of 2000 in explaining that he didn't want to follow Nader's path.
The real effect of all that's gone down will be to reduce the effectiveness of Bernie's endorsement of anyone else in the general election. The "Bernie or Bust" viewpoint is based primarily on political principles, but the BoB ranks will be swelled by people who believe, with good reason, that Sanders was not treated fairly. Some of those people will be swayed, by Bernie's endorsement, to hold their noses and vote for the Democrat anyway -- but some won't.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)also there are the sore loser laws at play
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)The risk of splitting the dem vote and ending up with Trump as president would be too great. I'm pretty sure Sanders hates Trump. He isn't going to something that makes the odds of him winning extremely high.