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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:02 PM May 2016

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This message was self-deleted by its author MFM008 May 2016 #1
If you actually read Hillary's platform, you'd see we're not far off from those. Zynx May 2016 #2
Before dismissing that she is a crypto-fascist AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #3
why do billionaires fund her? Csainvestor May 2016 #5
Because they are liberal. YouDig May 2016 #7
why do some stupid people support Bernie? It doesn't make him stupid. MariaThinks May 2016 #26
That's ridiculous leftynyc May 2016 #37
I can't believe she wants to legalize marijuana, stop fracking, going to war for B Calm May 2016 #14
she does not want to legalize Csainvestor May 2016 #21
Oh, I guess she lost my vote! B Calm May 2016 #22
LOL. You are miles away. Her "policy positions" that she has recently made up are even miles away rhett o rick May 2016 #17
+1 Sparkly May 2016 #34
Agreed...but these don't align with what Sanders has been preaching...and anotherproletariat May 2016 #4
the democratic party has done NOTHING for the middle class Csainvestor May 2016 #9
There is truth here. He wasn't waiting in the wings. He got kind of sucked libdem4life May 2016 #11
You explained better than I the one fundamental error made by the PufPuf23 May 2016 #36
I'm not a Bro, but count me in. We're #1 in military crap and #24th overall. libdem4life May 2016 #6
You didn't mentin the most horrific one Armstead May 2016 #8
the list is endless Csainvestor May 2016 #10
... libdem4life May 2016 #13
I could tell you were in favor of miscegenation! potone May 2016 #23
That's nice Txbluedog May 2016 #12
When the math shows you're getting more and paying less it's a little different than just JudyM May 2016 #15
Yeah elections are won on soundbites Txbluedog May 2016 #20
maybe a sound bite like the sniper fire she took timmymoff May 2016 #42
Bush #1? libdem4life May 2016 #16
Free college for poor kids is Progressive dog May 2016 #18
Hillary proposed ending cannabis prohibition? News to me. Qutzupalotl May 2016 #25
Oh so all the demands weren't there Progressive dog May 2016 #27
And expanding Social Security? Qutzupalotl May 2016 #28
When we can put a plan in 3 words Progressive dog May 2016 #32
Dig a little deeper and you'll find Qutzupalotl May 2016 #39
Bernie has lost, his ideas have lost with him, Progressive dog May 2016 #40
Now that's a slogan. nt Qutzupalotl May 2016 #41
No, it's an obvious fact Progressive dog May 2016 #44
His ideas will not die Qutzupalotl May 2016 #45
Demagoguery lives for ever and bad ideas Progressive dog May 2016 #46
There will always be a place for good progressive ideas Qutzupalotl May 2016 #47
by proposed you mean evolved timmymoff May 2016 #43
Faker. You forgot to muahahahahaha as you were leaving. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #19
I have video of you at the Nevada convention FlatBaroque May 2016 #24
Who could ever forget Bobby Knight. I remember watching that game. B Calm May 2016 #30
I was thinking the same thing Jude the Obscure May 2016 #38
And... coco77 May 2016 #29
simple question rdking647 May 2016 #31
OMG . . . a screed from Lucifer himself. Vinca May 2016 #33
You predicted a 45 net delegate gain for Bernie in Oregon. Codeine May 2016 #35
Tell it to your Republican Congress. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #48
You don't achieve great things by pursuing DIVISIVENESS. BootinUp May 2016 #49
Enraged Hillary supporter here. NCTraveler May 2016 #50

Response to Csainvestor (Original post)

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
2. If you actually read Hillary's platform, you'd see we're not far off from those.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Instead of pretending Hillary Clinton is a crypto-fascist, ever actually checked out her policy positions?

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
3. Before dismissing that she is a crypto-fascist
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

Have you ever actually checked out her record of destroying entire nations and crafting proposals to allow corporations to supersede our laws?

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
5. why do billionaires fund her?
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

the most disgusting and selfish people on earth fund her. do they just fund her for no reason?

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
7. Because they are liberal.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
26. why do some stupid people support Bernie? It doesn't make him stupid.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. That's ridiculous
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Should I hate Bernie because some of the people who support him are loathsome?

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
14. I can't believe she wants to legalize marijuana, stop fracking, going to war for
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

corporate interests, etc.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
21. she does not want to legalize
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

and she takes corporate money.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
22. Oh, I guess she lost my vote!
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. LOL. You are miles away. Her "policy positions" that she has recently made up are even miles away
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

and I don't believe her at that. Where does she stand today on the TPP? I will tell you, she doesn't like the wording. I don't think it would take much "rewording" to get her approval. She loved the concept before the campaign started and now she doesn't like the wording. Not close on that one.

How about fracking? Does anyone know where she stands after her 5,000 word explanation of when and where she would be for it or against it on tuesdays and every other friday? She loved it before the campaign. Miles apart on that one.

Medical marijuana. One would think that would be an easy one. Nope, she will deny it to those that need it because "it needs more study". Really? I don't see any empathy there. Not close on this issue.

How about tough drug laws and stiff sentencing that she has always supported? Fill those Prisions For Profits and get those Super-Preditors off the streets and render them ineligible to vote. Read my sig line. Nope not close.

Min wage? She wants to keep min wages to below a living wage. Not close there.

Not close on the Iraq War support. On the Patriot Act support. On support of domestic spying.

There is a large chasm in our Party with the Progressives on one side supporting the 99% and the non-progressives supporting the 1%.

Sparkly

(24,885 posts)
34. +1
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:08 AM
May 2016
 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
4. Agreed...but these don't align with what Sanders has been preaching...and
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

he never laid out plans to implement any of his causes. It made his candidacy seem like a poorly planned, fringe movement, which turned many people off.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
9. the democratic party has done NOTHING for the middle class
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

College and daycare costs more than ever before.
Women DO NOT have paid family leave.
Health care costs more than ever before.

Seniors are living in poverty, while Obama and Hillary are against increasing the cap on social security taxes.

The democratic parts has become the party of the rich. Obama is not using the bully pulpit, and neither has Hillary to champion the working class.

Bernie brought all of these issues to the table, Hillary is funded by the corporate class, and the rich billionaire class.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
11. There is truth here. He wasn't waiting in the wings. He got kind of sucked
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

into it because no one else would challenge her and the Democrats wanted their Coronation.

She had truly done her time and put lots of effort into the Party. The mistake, IMO, was not allowing anyone else in to challenge her. It created a vacuum for we Liberals and somehow Bernie became the one. I believe the fact that he Was Not a registered Democrat was the only reason she had any challenge.

At least he has years of governing and a clean record, comparatively speaking, to fall back on. Obama had nearly no experience...he'd won one Senate race? and he did OK. Certainly he got elected.

PufPuf23

(9,853 posts)
36. You explained better than I the one fundamental error made by the
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

DNC and Democratic establishment.

By treating Hillary Clinton as an incumbent and presumed nominee, other Democrats did not enter the competition for POTUS.

This was compounded by the facts that many inside the Democratic party had a pre-existing poor opinion of Clinton and that Clinton is a poster child for neo-liberalism.

Bernie Sanders stepped up into a major vacuum and offered a refreshing look to antiwar liberals.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
6. I'm not a Bro, but count me in. We're #1 in military crap and #24th overall.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

That, to me, says it all. Hell, we wouldn't even need more taxes if we built fewer tanks and airplanes and bombs. Someday, that will sink in...or some group will make sure it sinks in...to our Check-writing Congress Critters.

And don't get me started on abandoning our Veterans.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
8. You didn't mentin the most horrific one
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE.....Yahhhhhh! Head for the Hills!!!!!

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
10. the list is endless
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

but i didn't want the hillary supporters to accuse me of being a unicorn loving pony.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
13. ...
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

potone

(1,701 posts)
23. I could tell you were in favor of miscegenation!
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

Ponies and unicorns, the horror! Almost as bad as voting for Bernie! Now that I have the vapors, I need to lie down, while clutching my pearls, of course.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
12. That's nice
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

Now tell me how that plays in a GE---when was the last time someone who promised to raise taxes was elected POTUS

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
15. When the math shows you're getting more and paying less it's a little different than just
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

raising taxes.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
20. Yeah elections are won on soundbites
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

Bernie will increase your taxes---most people won't care why or if it actually benefits them

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
42. maybe a sound bite like the sniper fire she took
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

will help her. Or maybe the sound bite of her on and off southern drawl will help her. Or maybe the sound bite of her sayng she will " look into " releasing her wall st. transcripts will help. maybe the sound bite of her thirteen minute Iraq war speech will help.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
16. Bush #1?
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016
http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/george-bush/videos/read-my-lips

But he'll have his message honed better. It's a mixed bag. It won't be easy, but more honest.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
18. Free college for poor kids is
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

not what Bernie is campaigning on. That wasn't one of his proposals.
The rest of your demands are things that Hillary has proposed.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
25. Hillary proposed ending cannabis prohibition? News to me.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
27. Oh so all the demands weren't there
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

because they were stupid and the OP knew it. Very sneaky.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
28. And expanding Social Security?
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

Is that stupid too?

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
32. When we can put a plan in 3 words
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:27 AM
May 2016

we don't have a plan, we have a slogan. Thanks Bernie.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
39. Dig a little deeper and you'll find
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

that lifting the cap is a much better plan than means testing.

Means testing is part of the Republican strategy to kill Social Security. Once someone is forced to pay into a system from which they can never benefit, they have standing to sue. Better to let everyone pay in and draw out rather than gamble the whole system in court.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
40. Bernie has lost, his ideas have lost with him,
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

he is now working at burying them in the dustbin of history.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
41. Now that's a slogan. nt
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
44. No, it's an obvious fact
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
45. His ideas will not die
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

now that millions of people know they've been lied to about what is possible.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
46. Demagoguery lives for ever and bad ideas
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

never die. That is a good slogan for the Bernie supporters.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
47. There will always be a place for good progressive ideas
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

except among authoritarians who can brook no dissent.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
43. by proposed you mean evolved
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
19. Faker. You forgot to muahahahahaha as you were leaving. n/t
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
24. I have video of you at the Nevada convention
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
30. Who could ever forget Bobby Knight. I remember watching that game.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016
 

Jude the Obscure

(50 posts)
38. I was thinking the same thing
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

"Isn't that Bobby Knight?"

 

coco77

(1,327 posts)
29. And...
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

no more tax dollars wasted on weapons that sit and collect dust while many Americans are living on the street..Affordable housing.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
31. simple question
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

If hillary is the nominee will you vote for her.

the only 2 people that have a chance to win this elections are the nominees of the dems and the gop.
that gives me the following options

1. vote for the dem nominee
2. stay home
3. vote for a third party as a protest vote

#2 and #3 make a trump win more likely. That I will never do

therefore I will vote for whoever is teh democratic nominee. period

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
33. OMG . . . a screed from Lucifer himself.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:31 AM
May 2016
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
35. You predicted a 45 net delegate gain for Bernie in Oregon.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:10 AM
May 2016

And a 100 net gain from OR, KY, and IN. Safe to say nothing you say should be taken seriously.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
48. Tell it to your Republican Congress. nt
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

BootinUp

(51,323 posts)
49. You don't achieve great things by pursuing DIVISIVENESS.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

The battle for the nomination is OVER. Continuing to spread the anti-Democratic Party rhetoric is only going to LESSEN our numbers to fight the REAL enemy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
50. Enraged Hillary supporter here.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

Wait. What? Nope, not enraged and I like your list. Sorry it had to be followed up with the rest.

Grrrrr. Lol

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