Keep smearing Bernie Supporters and see how that works out for you in November.

[Skwmom]

As woman I am sickened by the number of elected women Democrats who have no problem lying about and smearing people AND engaging in a crooked undemocratic process. Your behavior is contemptible. So keep up your manipulative games. It is only exposing the truth about you.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/

[oldandhappy]

1. really!

Understand media is skewing this. I no longer watch.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. It's over. Drumpf will use the

3 million stolen votes by preventing POC and the repubs who own the counting machines, add to that BoB and DNC fighting, it is over

Drumpf will win, I think I can guarantee it.

Since all life on the planet is in the balance, I will fight to stop him but I think it is inevitable.

[hellofromreddit]

30. I think you're right. Oh well, focus on local politics.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

34. I will blame BoB more than anyone else, that is for damn sure.

[hellofromreddit]

51. How come?

They seem to actually be a rather small group.

[Jester Messiah]

103. Take some responsibility.

You were told what would happen if you insisted on Hillary and you did it anyway.

[lapfog_1]

36. The extinction event

coming in the next 20 to 50 years...

will probably happen no matter who we elect. Certainly it will happen if Trump is there, almost as certain if Hillary wins, probably still happens even if Bernie wins.

Goodbye Holocene... welcome to the Anthropocene.

[Number23]

126. Huh??

Drumpf will use the
3 million stolen votes by preventing POC and the repubs who own the counting machines, add to that BoB and DNC fighting, it is over

What does this mean???

As for the OP, so glad to see Boxer, Feinstein and others speak out about this. And Harry Reid sounds nothing short of absolutely PISSED at the "statement" delivered by Sanders.

[NCTraveler]

3. Making '08 PUMA's look down right classy. Nt

[BootinUp]

18. Yep.

I'm about to start telling them to go vote for Trump, if that works for them.

[hill2016]

4. it's not a smear

if it's true

[rhett o rick]

19. A N D your point is?

[scscholar]

29. This. The chair and the threats...

are a huge problem.

[MariaThinks]

77. bernie supporters keep threatening and bullying

[rhett o rick]

107. Not unlike our founders also fighting for democracy against the corporatists of the day. nm

[azurnoir]

97. and the lack of any proof seems an even bigger problem and there were police present why no arrests

care to explain that one?

[AgingAmerican]

124. You mean this chair?

lol
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/732618967181746178/pu/vid/190x180/8dyLZHoQhOqf1kkl.mp4
Oh the humanity!!

[Mike__M]

131. All that hugging of the chair guy

was really out of control there.

[One Black Sheep]

5. I've really been enjoying all your threads here lately

Thanks for telling the truth.

[dubyadiprecession]

6. So you have no problem with a democratic woman being shouted down at the Nevada convention?...

Barbara boxer should have had all those soreheaded blowhards arrested. Let them yell in a jail cell for a few hours.

[winter is coming]

11. You want to arrest people for booing at a politician?

Did that really just come out of your mouth?

[adigal]

15. Lol! Hillary's Dems show their true colors

Arrest people who yell at politicians!!!

[lapfog_1]

43. yup

?itok=45i9xTj-

our corporate master and their politicians will continue the practice

[passiveporcupine]

137. Perfect

I was trying to respond but my flabber was gasted.

[Skwmom]

46. All bow down to Boxer and the undemocratic procces. Her language was intended to incite the crowd.

[dana_b]

48. she's the one who taunted the delegates

she could have acted like a stateswoman instead she told these people who had been denigrated, ignored and had their voices stolen from them that they were "booing Bernie" and that they would be "booed out of the election". Some stateswoman.

She has an opportunity to add come calm to the situation. If she had said "look, i hear you. You're angry and you want to have your voices heard" she could have diffused the situation. Instead she acted as bad if not worse than they did.

I lost a LOT of respect for her and I have voted for her almost evertime that she ran.

[840high]

119. Are you kidding?

[LonePirate]

7. How it works out for YOU? Don't you mean how it works out for US?

We would share the same president. It's not like the president only oversees the people who elected him/her.

So much for inclusiveness I guess.

[jwirr]

118. You can cut the inclusiveness bs - the Clintons pushed a

lot of us out of their nest in the 90s already when they worked for welfare reform, tough on crime laws, private prisons and Glass-Steagall.

The we you are looking for is going to get screwed regardless who wins - Hillary or Trump.

[Human101948]

33. Heartwarming!

The language of inclusiveness.

[Arneoker]

62. Well you can't please everyone, that's for sure!

I do think that we should try to woo the Sanders supporters who actually believe that progress for this country is important.

[Land of Enchantment]

9. They've got theirs. A fully funded retirement, guaranteed best available healthcare...

the list is endless. Thanks for your thread.

[quickesst]

10. The only contemptible thing I saw...

... were the actions of the Bernie supporters there. Boxer's response was spot-on. What? You're going to tell me that the shit coming from their mouth was because of Tourette's syndrome? I'm sure that Hillary Clinton would welcome the support of Bernie supporters, but the likes of that crowd can pound sand. She doesn't need support like that, nor do I believe she would accept it.

[adigal]

20. No, she just had surrogates race baiting in 08

And played that game herself.

Yes, she is so clean and pure.

[quickesst]

44. Haha...

Come on, you can do better than that. How about something relevant to the current situation?

[adigal]

141. Racism is always relevant nt

[quickesst]

143. Not always...

... As in the current topic of this thread. There was not one thing that even alluded to the topic of racism in the OP. I haven't visited the thread in a while, so tell me, are you the only one who has thrown in a deflection hoping to steer it away from the original topic? And here I had high hopes that you could do better.

[griffi94]

12. Everything will be fine

The people who can't vote for Hillary will be offset by
the people who vote for her because they can't support Trump.

The Democratic Party doesn't seem to want all of Bernies supporters.

So those people who are never going to be welcome anyway won't really be missed.

I really don't know why they haven't already left.
Hillary's going to be the nominee.

I guess some of them are just so angry they can't let go.

Don't worry tho.
It'll all be fine in the end.

[rhett o rick]

23. It will only be "fine" if you are ok with the continued status quo.

2.5 million children homeless
16 million children living in poverty
16 million children living in low income homes
the worst infant mortality rate of all modern nations and some not so modern.

It will be fine if you think Goldman-Sachs' profits are more important.

[griffi94]

28. I'm fine with Hillary

And I'm fine with steady progress even if it's slow.

Slow and steady doesn't bother me at all.

[Human101948]

38. Obviously you are not broke and hungry...

or out of a job for 18 months. Most of the people suffering now will be dead by the time you inch your way to the next incremental change.

[griffi94]

50. Obviously you don't know anything about me.

But nevermind that.

Regardless of your feelings on that.

The majority of Democratic Primary voters preferred Hillary.

That's why she has millions more votes than Bernie.

It'll be fine.
We lived thru 8 years of Dubya and 8 years of Reagan.

So vote however you think is best.

But Bernie's not going to get the nomination.
He doesn't have the votes.

And the votes aren't going to be set aside regardless of how many
people say they won't vote for Hillary in the GE.

[Human101948]

57. It is not about Bernie, despite what Hillary fans believe...

It's about the 99 percent being worked over by the one percenters. Hillary is a one percenter . She will make a big deal out of a few half assed government programs that do next to nothing and virtually nothing will change.

[griffi94]

72. I think it's about a bunch of slogans

Bernie wouldn't have the power to do anything about
banks or Wall Street.

Bernie most likely wouldn't even get a few half assed things done.

But again that's off point.

The BoB group isn't going to matter.

If Hillary doesn't win the sun will still rise in the mornings.

I don't quite understand what it is they want or expect at this point.

Bernie isn't going to be the nominee.
Most Hillary supporters don't care if his fans are angry.

If you want to join in and help great.
If not. Oh well.

[rhett o rick]

83. At least Sen Sanders will try, while Clinton will help Wall Street expand their power.

[griffi94]

85. He would fail miserably

And give us 8 years of Ted Cruz.
No thanks.

I'll take competent every time.

[rhett o rick]

89. I will take honesty over whatever you think she is. She lied to us about WMD in Iraq.

It was a boldfaced lie. Her "competence" may be the final nail in the coffin of the 99%.

[griffi94]

90. It's politics

Nothing about any of it is honest.

Sorry.

And it doesn't matter anyway.
He's not going to be the nominee.

[rhett o rick]

94. You rationalize away lying to the American people as "just politics"? Wow.

Possibly one million died from that war. If she had one ounce of integrity and fortitude she would have stood up to George and told him to go to hell. But no, she repeated the lies and "We Came, We Saw, and They Died." She saw it as a business opportunity, and has said they should thanks us for giving them freedom.

Some how you can ignore her many lies because..... I guess I really don't know why.

[griffi94]

100. Because They all lie

And they all owe somebody.

Bernie would either learn to "Play Ball" in which case
his most robust supporters would throw him under the bus.

Or he'd remain as pure as possible and be a dismal failure.

Seeing thru the game isn't the saem thing as winning the game.


So in the scheme of the bigger picture.
No I'm not bothered.

Wouldn't have mattered how anybody voted on IWR
Bush was going to get his war on.

The political and social climate was rife with fear
scared people mostly do as they're told.

[rhett o rick]

110. Well you've gotten yourself fooled. Now I am done with your rationalizations. We have a war

to fight.

[griffi94]

114. Good luck

[rhett o rick]

82. And how many millions have been disenfranchised by the Oligarchy that you seem to

support.

[griffi94]

84. The oligarchy didn't keep them from registering as Democrats

Not being allowed to vote in a closed primary because
they weren't registered Democrats is their own failing.

In any case.
It's not an issue now.

[rhett o rick]

91. The oligarchy has pulled all kinds of tricks, from jerrymandering, to too few voting machines, to

crooked voting machines, to changing voter registrations, losing ballots, and SwiftBoating. But some don't care as long as their authoritarian leader wins. To some, winning is everything apparently even worth losing their souls.

[griffi94]

93. It's an election

you have to win to effect the things you want.

[rhett o rick]

96. And there it is. Win at all costs, even if you sell your soul. Sorry, that's not a progressive

stand. Did you ever wonder why the billionaires want Clinton so badly they would steal and election? No, I'm betting you don't care as long as you choose the winning side.

[griffi94]

101. No you can have a noble loss

That's what Bernie is having now.

It's noble.
Still a loss tho.
And he probably won't get a seat at the big table.

[rhett o rick]

105. This reminds me of Germany in the 1930's. People willing to give up their liberties and freedoms

to be on the side of the biggest bully. To them winning is more important than having principles. The Democratic Party is in civil war, the Progressives against the Corporatists. The corporations have the power and wealth but we are fighting for freedom and liberty.

[griffi94]

109. Haha

You equate Bernie not winning to the rise of the Nazis.

Hahahaha.

[rhett o rick]

117. Plez don't stoop to putting words into my mouth. I equate those that want to be on the side

of the Wealthy that they are willing to give up their liberties and freedoms. I don't mind that, but they are also turning their backs on those struggling among us, just to side with the Wealthy. I am going to fight for the 99% to the convention and beyond. The Rich and Powerful will fall eventually. They always do. Then where will you be?

[Zen Democrat]

135. As if Bernie would want to sit at the Establishment table.

He'll continue to front a political revolution. Have you not listened to him?

[griffi94]

136. IOW he'll continue to be irrelevent.

He can go back to being a social critic that nobody really
pays any attention to.

His political revolution failed to show up.

And now his own supporters have gotten so over the top and out of control
that they're liabilities.

[Arneoker]

67. I was never out of a job for 18 months

But I was out of one for four and a half, and that was bad enough. Makes you think about those who have it worse, who are a great many.

But let's talk about speech transcripts and the unfairness of a state sending a delegation to the Democratic Convention that reflected the actual vote, because those are the progressive causes of the day.

[Skwmom]

54. Steady progress. The Disasterous Duo helped put us in a hole we might never be able to dig our way

out of.

[griffi94]

66. And millions more people disagree with you

That's why Hillary will be the nominee.

If you can't vote for her then you can't vote for her.

Oh well.
It'll be fine.

[rhett o rick]

81. Other than a few social justice issues we've been moving backwards. More unemployment,

more underemployment, wages falling, millions still without health care, 5 trillion dollars moved from the 99% to the 1%. And you are fine with that.

[Tavarious Jackson]

76. Bernie has no viable plans to change that

only "Think BIG" that is all he has.

[adigal]

24. You sure about that? I wouldn't bet the mortgage on that

Hillary is not likable. Even many Dems don't like her. She has the 2nd highest disapproval of any nominee ever. I am amazed over the belief that these Independent women and moderate Republicans will flock to her. More than likely, they'll stay home or not vote for president.

She will need every Bernie voter she can get.

[griffi94]

37. It will work out in one fashion or another

Either Hillary will win

Or if Trump gets the most votes he'll win.

The voters will have spoken.

Either way the world won't end.

The BoB group should do what they think is right.

But they're not going to get Bernie as the Democratic nominee.

[Human101948]

39. Don't worry that she is lagging behind Trump!

Her negatives will soon eclipse his.

[Arneoker]

70. Because there is so much bad on her that hasn't been revealed!

20 plus years is nothing!

And Trump's honest publicists, John Miller and John Barron, have already told us about the negatives on their man!

[Beowulf]

58. I've been a member here since 2002.

I began reading this site regularly in December, 2000. I've voted Democratic since 1972. I cried when RFK was murdered. Though 16 at the time, I sensed that the world had just shifted and politicians who dream of the greater public good wouldn't be coming around for some time. My point is I'm not someone who just dropped in because of Bernie. I've been here a long time. This election cycle presents strong evidence for what I've suspected for decades - The Democratic Party needs my vote, but they aren't interested in the slightest in the issues and problems I'm most interested in addressing. We're supposed to be silent, accept there is no where else to go and vote.

No more.

[griffi94]

64. That's your decision

Good luck.

[felix_numinous]

13. Our consent

has never been required.

[Maven]

14. Stop the tantrums

[Human101948]

52. Are you going to spank us, Mistress Maven?

[Maven]

79. No, I'm very selective with spankings

[Hortensis]

16. A good 3/4 of Sanders supporters are ALSO Hillary supporters,

some very comfortable with the alternative, others less happy but nevertheless absolutely intending to vote for the Democratic candidate. These people all have my respect and support, and I'm sure the DNC will work hard to find ways to make them all glad to come out in November. I could have been one of them if I felt Bernie was the one.

IN ADDITION TO THOSE is also a hold-my-nose-and-vote group, whose viewpoint I at least don't respect, but we nevertheless are glad they are Democrats and will be voting Democrat. Hopefully, HIllary's outreach to both groups, in economic and healthcare policies so far, will make these a little happier.

The remnant unrepentant hostiles who scream anti-Democrat insults at rallies, pound their fingers sore keyboarding anti-Democrat insults, and take in anti-Democrat lies the way they take in oxygen? They can come or go, their choice. People like that are always with us but never part of the solution.

[BootinUp]

21. More like 85% - 90% based on what I have seen nt

[Hortensis]

31. Oh, yes. I was just differentiating between those

SBSers who are happy-to-comfortable with her and genuinely grateful to have her as their alternative from the rest who are less happy but definitely intend to vote for her if she is their nominee.

For sure, the percent of Democrats who will vote for the Democratic nominee is very high.

[BootinUp]

32. Ok Gotcha!

THanks

[Loudestlib]

41. 66% at best. n/t

[BootinUp]

47. I know what I have seen, and don't give a hoot what DU'ers delusions are. nt

[Hortensis]

60. Exactly. It's an entirely different world out there,

as exit polls of SBSer voters demonstrates in every state.

[Loudestlib]

63. Link it then.......

33 Percent of Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton. Here’s Why

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/33-percent-of-bernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html


Put up or shut up.

[BootinUp]

65. You want me to refute H. A. Goodman? ROFL.

[Loudestlib]

69. This is going to be tough for you but stay with me.....

H. A. Goodman did not preform the poll but you have to click the link to find that out. You didn't read the article did you? ((((((((shocker)))))))))

The WSJ preformed the poll so......try again?


http://www.wsj.com/video/poll-33-of-sanders-supporters-wouldnt-vote-for-clinton/69C05055-85FE-4320-8D02-3EAC972CACD0.html

[BootinUp]

71. Believe what you want, Really. And don't tell me to Shut up. nt

[Loudestlib]

73. Still no link to back up your lie?

rofl: :

[Hortensis]

78. Loudest, by now everyone should know basic

common-knowledge information. Democrats have been turning out in record numbers to vote for Democrats and are expected to turn out in even larger numbers in November -- to vote for Democrats.

I won't bother linking to something claiming that Hillary really is liberal, either.

Those who didn't understand this basic stuff going in and still deny it now will no doubt take their beliefs to the grave, no matter how they have to deceive themselves to make that possible.

[Loudestlib]

132. You know turnout is down compared to 08 and compared to republicans......

[Skwmom]

55. Nothing like wishful thinking.

[passiveporcupine]

139. It's too bad you don't support us

You know, those of us who are sickened by what we see the democratic party (the dnc) has become. They have deserted us and they don't respect us or care about whether or not we even vote for Hillary. They don't want progressive liberals in the party any more. They only want republican lite.

IN ADDITION TO THOSE is also a hold-my-nose-and-vote group, whose viewpoint I at least don't respect, but we nevertheless are glad they are Democrats and will be voting Democrat.

Oh...nice. So even those who will vote for Hillary (by holding their nose) you admittedly DON'T respect...yet you hope they will vote for her?

Well guess what? You just lost my respect, and even though all my life I've been dedicated to vote for the dem ticket, I've never been so disgusted at the democrats I'm "supposed to vote for"...I am not sure I can even do it this year. For the first time in my life, I might have to sit out this vote. And that nauseates me. But it nauseates me even more to think I'm voting for a party that doesn't even give a shit about people like me.

You really know how to inspire "inclusiveness" in the party. Way to go champ. Time to downsize your tent to a pup tent.

[QC]

17. The party establishment would rather lose in November

than be put in a position of having to enact progressive reforms.

Remember, these are, for the most part, rich people looking out for the interests of other rich people, and the interests of the rich can more easily survive a few years of a buffoon in the White House than a permanent realignment of the nation's tax and spending priorities.

[rhett o rick]

26. Exactly. The "party establishment" is owned by the Oligarchy. They want no

progressives.

[Jackilope]

42. Which leads us to needing a party for progressives and for the people.

We have two corporate owned parties. With Sanders running, we can see fully that the supposed lesser of two evils is basically evil.

A storm is rising. I don't know what or who or where, but it needs to happen. Corporatist Dems sicken me even more than Republicsns, because they feign that they are on your side while filling their pockets snd selling out their souls by selling us out.

[liberal_at_heart]

35. +1000000

They say we must do anything to prevent Trump becoming president. They say if we don't vote for Hillary we are putting Trump in the White House, but the truth is they would hate having Sanders as president much worse than they would hate having Trump as president.

[AZ Progressive]

22. Hillary and her female supporters will succeed in destroying the image of women...

Talk about taking a dump on the legacy of the feminist movement...

[seabeyond]

27. Betcha.

[seabeyond]

25. Why should you get free hand of smearing and accusing and attacking, WHILE demanding we all shut up?

[puffy socks]

40. hmmm interesting,

"Keep smearing Bernie Supporters and see how that works out for you in November."

a.k.a

" If you don't stop pointing out truths we will shoot ourselves in the face!"

it's your vote, it's your future

[griffi94]

75. If you don't stop pointing out truths we will shoot ourselves in the face

And it will be your fault that we shot ourselves in the face.

And we will be angry at you for making us shoot ourselves in the face.

And then you'll be sorry.

[Metric System]

45. Smearing? The truth is the truth. That being said, I'm sure most Sanders supporters wouldn't behave

that way.

[Waiting For Everyman]

49. It's the year of the fallen icons.

One by one they're falling down, exposing their true colors. They sold out.

I don't believe that everybody has a price, but most do.

[Metric System]

53. The truth is it's time to stop kowtowing to the extreme element of Sanders supporters. They do not

constitute the majority of his supporters.

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. Oh! A threat!

[Sheepshank]

59. hmmm, can't criticize Bernie, cant criticize his supporters

Apparently, Hillary supporters are expected to sit around like a sack of flour and take hits without firing back.

Just so you know, I doubt very much that will happen.

[Dem2]

61. You win the irony of the Year award

[jmousso75]

68. KKeep smearing Bernie eep smearing Bernie Supporters and see how that works out for you in November.

I'm with you sister. Bernie has been screwed over and over by the democratic party so they don't need our votes. I will never vote for Hillary and tough shit for the DNC. They wanted to crown Hillary.....they can have her. She will lose without Bernie supporters.

[Tavarious Jackson]

74. That meme no longer works

Hillary SUPPORTERS KNOW THEY WILL NOT AND CAN NOT COUNT ON YOU! So why not keep smearing and exposing? Why not?

[Nanjeanne]

80. Hillary and only Hillary can convince me to vote or not vote for her. Nothing her supporters

can say or do - even at their most passionate - or their most condescending - can influence my vote. My vote is too important to me to waste it on the stupidity of pundits or anonymous people on message boards or Twitter.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for an actual reason to support Hillary if she's the nominee. It's not war, TPP, fracking, death-penalty, pandering, poor judgement, Wall Street influence, cronyism, means testing SS, raising age of Medicare, private prisons, GMOs, accepting money for her Foundation while SoS from governments that support oppression or not wanting to reinstate Glass Stegall. So I'm not sure what her convincing argument is going to be. I'll wait until November to hear it - balls in her court.

[ecstatic]

86. Anyone who condones violence, sexist slurs, and death threats can

go straight to hell AFAIC. With the bros, EVERYTHING is rigged or a conspiracy. It gets tiring.

[Tarc]

87. I love these content-light threads

Residual bitterness.

[Bobbie Jo]

88. Are you kidding?

That's all we've heard for MONTHS on end; smear, smear, smear, smear, smear......

NOW you're crying foul??

How's that working out for you?

[barrow-wight]

92. That's not smearing.

It's called accurately reporting the news. If people don't want to see news about throwing chairs, they shouldn't throw chairs. It's really that simple.

[barrow-wight]

98. What is WWWF?

And what supervisor? I don't work for the hotel or the Nevada Democatic Committee. But I saw credible reports of chairs thrown. It made the New York Times. I trust that source more than I trust you.

[barrow-wight]

102. Do you require video for everything?

Imagine all the murderers we would have to release from prison who were convicted without video evidence. Is that really what you support?

[barrow-wight]

106. You seem very upset right now.

[barrow-wight]

111. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I, on the other hand, feel that violence has no place in our political process. We will just have to agree to disagree.

[barrow-wight]

130. Brock sock?

[sadoldgirl]

112. Please, again: Show the video of that happening!

Ralston already admitted that he did not see it.

[barrow-wight]

116. What video?

There was testimony. Should we let murderers out of jail if no video exists of their crimes? I do not believe violence has a place in our political process.

[Mike__M]

134. Everybody put their cameras and cellphones away

when the chairs started flying, because, you know, that wasn't anything anyone would want to record for any reason.

[annavictorious]

113. I don't think people are smearing Sanders.

It's some of his supporters who are getting the criticism. I feel sorry for Sanders at this point. I think his campaign has, in part, been co-opted by people who don't care at all about his message or his agenda.

It's a shame because Sanders should be leaving this race as an extremely important and empowered senate voice with a solid mandate for his platform.

[Surya Gayatri]

115. ...

[ozone_man]

125. Women in politics can be just as mean,

and supporting of the oligarchy, and just as corporatist as men. Voting for a candidate should never be based on race, creed, or gender. Obama, as much as I like him in many ways, is a total corporatist, has not moved the country in any good direction, and has continued the war path left to him by the Neocons. I guess I that makes him a neocon too.

We can do better!

[RandySF]

127. I think we'll do just fine.

[riversedge]

129. no smears. Bernie had a chance today to put a lid on the vile protesters but he just gave a

campaign speech. Shameful.

[HassleCat]

133. We get credit for many things.

When someone disrupts a Clinton rally, screams at children, etc, we (Sandernistas) are assumed to be `responsible. I think this just illustrates how we believe Sanders is omnipotent, if he can control every last one of his supporters, including those who are not even his supporters.

[Nye Bevan]

138. As a woman, I'm sure that in time you'll be excited about voting for the first female president.

And you will be proud to be a part of history being made.

[RBInMaine]

140. And we are sick of these BULLSHIT conspiracy theories of "a crooked process" and all the rest.

Enough of that delusional SHIT.

[Logical]

142. They have already made it clear they don't want our support. Nt