On Nevada, some relevant questions (and if you made your mind do not read, please, might cause)

[nadinbrzezinski]

some discomfort)

First off I watched this morning the interview CNN did with Mrs. Langue on this matter of phone calls. For those going, but you defend this... nope, what those are are actually, under US Code Terroristic Threats. Why am I mentioning the US Code? Because here are two relevant questions the media has not asked. They have mentioned it in passing, but not asked. And this is where a healthy dose of skepticism should come in. Yes, your spidey sense should be going danger, danger will robinson...

The first question after the pleasantries that have to do with rapport building, aka how are you doing, I am sorry this is happening to you, should have been... has a police report been filed? No police report, there is no prosecution, generally speaking. That question has not been asked.

For the record, I do hope not only that she has she filed an actual honest to goodness police report, so there is a law enforcement follow up. Whether law enforcement will find enough to go beyond a police report is a good question, since the few calls might not be enough, scary I know, to trigger that.

Here is the second point. The origin of the calls. We know at least one, thanks to a poster here, came from a San Diego based phone. Yes, 619 is one of the two area codes... actually I think we are up to three, but I digress. The NYT did mention in passing that those messages et al came from all over the country. Strangely Nevada was not mentioned.

Now I do know some Bernie supporters here in town were following Nevada, mostly though reddit. But here is where my skepticism comes in. Why would a caller from clearly the other side of a state line, who was NOT there... call and leave their phone number? We are talking potentially a felony, federal. I know criminals are idiots, trust me I know that, but this truly stretches credibility. Why media should be asking that damn question, and Ralston should have been the first one to ask. He is well known in investigative circles. His internal alarms should have gone off.

There is a very well known story of Karl Rove, bugging himself and calling the cops... that was back in the 70s, This is why my mind is going to who else might be behind here. And yes his client did win that election.. And I will actually suggest that this might not have been the clinton or sanders campaign. Suffice it to say, some folks would benefit, and that is the other question that our lovely media has not asked. Who benefits?

So here they are?
WHY
WHO Benefits
Who is calling and who is behind this?

And no, I do not expect CNN to ask those questions. Oh and by the way, leaving that 619 number behind also could be misdirection and red herring. Which should only deepen the questions.

I did a cursory check, Those tools are online, you can use them yourself. One of them actually gives you location for last call, which that particular phone was Los Angeles. I just don't feel like pulling the full string... but there is something really off about the whole thing. And yes that is the skeptic in me not willing to accept the easy explanation. Incidentally that is what CNN is doing.

[Hoyt]

1. Latest Report from the Spin Room: It's Clinton's fault.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Actually I don't think it is either

but thanks for not reading.

[Sheepshank]

3. you should have posted this in the Bernie Group....they are comfortable with your questions. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Nah I think this is what any thinking person should be asking

are you a thinking person

[underthematrix]

5. I'm a HRC supporter and I do not want any of these Bernie supporters

arrested. No. No. No. I think many of these so-called Bernie supporters are actually Republican operatives.

Ms. Lange's contact information including her address was tweeted and retweeted and posted on most social media sites and message boards (including this one). Anyone could have called her from anywhere. And because theee people are "angry" they don't care if you see their numbers. They'll claim it's a free speech issue.

There was also a much more disturbing FB post that was tweeted and retweeted. I did not retweet it because it was calling for the assassination of HRC and those superdelegates who refused to switch to Bernie. It was terrible.

I've been talking to people letting them know some of the so-called Bernie supporters may be GOP operatives and to avoid all Bernie events, and unlike and unfollow any Sanders social media pages.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Those are felonies, each and every one of those threats, potentially

Her calls were received before wide distribution of her information and she alleges, I am using the language of the press, that her grandsons got them. Meaning people got private phone numbers, not just the publicly available one... from work.

Mind you, this is reason number I don't why people need to go unlisted for private numbers.

[underthematrix]

20. they may be but I don't want to give them any more fuel.

this thing is almost over. let's focus on that. HRC needs less than 150 delegates to get the nomination.

[passiveporcupine]

39. nice little scare tactic

I've been talking to people letting them know some of the so-called Bernie supporters may be GOP operatives and to avoid all Bernie events, and unlike and unfollow any Sanders social media pages.

So, it's GOP operatives, but Bernie events are to be avoided? Yeah...right.

this thing is almost over. let's focus on that. HRC needs less than 150 delegates to get the nomination.

And then, that pretty much says it all, doesn't it? I've said it before and I"ll say it again...your Hill camp tactics are pathetic.

[underthematrix]

43. I don't do scare tactics. That's for those other people aka as FOX HATE NEWS viewers

I simply stated what I'm doing. I'm a DEMOCRAT and yes I'm supporting the MOST qualified DEM presidential candidate. FACT is HRC is very very close to reaching the minimum of 2383 delegates. That's a fact, which means no matter how hard he tries Bernie will not catch up to HRC's delegate count.


Yes. It appears some Bernie "supporters" are GOP operatives.

[passiveporcupine]

44. And in your effort to be a "fair" Hillary supporter

you are warning people off of Bernie events because there might be some "GOP Operatives" out there, masquerading as Bernie supporters?

Sounds legit to me.

You are unreal!

[underthematrix]

45. I'm a DEMOCRAT

If Bernie were the nominee I would vote Bernie because I wouldn't want a NAZI in the WH and I want to take back the House and Senate. Bernie makes my hate bombs go off but he's still running as a Democrat so I would vote for him if he were the nominee.

I think some of the anger is coming from Bernie supporters too but I think there are also GOP operatives masquerading as Bernie supporters.

Everyone is unreal to you that doesn't support Bernie's magical thinking. But I'm okay with that. You are who you are.

[passiveporcupine]

46. Belive me, I know who you are

your "hate bombs" just proved it.

[djean111]

16. That's interesting. Why would the GOP want to smear Bernie's campaign? Makes no sense at all.

Since Brock was so up front about spending a million dollars on disruption, I have to believe the whole thing was cooked up between the DNC and Brock, with paid HRC operatives.

In my personal life, I don't know a soul who would be going to a Hillary event or who would bother with her social media pages.

[YouDig]

7. Here come the conspiracy theories.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Asking relevant quetions is not a conspiracy theory

You need to learn the meaning of words... son.

[YouDig]

11. Many conspiracy theories are posed in the form of "questions" like yours.

You know, like "if those are really pictures from the moon, how come we don't see any stars?"

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. You should go take a class in journalism

I am asking the relevant questions any thinking person should be asking. The 619 area code was very much a red flag.

Now if you chose not to ask them, that is fine, but don't mind me if I now chose to ignore you. (And not putting you on ignore either, just simply engaging in your trying to derail a thread that is asking very valid questions. You must be new to politics.)

[YouDig]

14. Is that where you learned that people never carry cell phones across state lines?

No thanks, I'll skip that one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Los Angeles is now in Nevada

that will come as a surprise to Los Angelinos as well.

Or for that matter other states are in Nevada.

Run along, the ice cream is running low.

[YouDig]

21. You can travel from one to the other. Did you know that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Did you also kow that ratfucking is real?

And if you bothered to read the whole thing, which you have proven you did not, you would realize that there are other forces than just Bernie and HRC in this country who would benefit. Now really you need to go get your ice-cream son. You are really new to politics, and naive as hell.

Do feel free to post the last ok,

[YouDig]

28. Like I said, what you have is a conspiracy theory.

The adults in the room know what happened. The conspiracy theorists on the internet will never accept it. But nobody cares about the conspiracy theorists.

[zappaman]

34. "You should go take a class in journalism"

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. My shadow punts

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Right, and then there is actual ratfucking, which is an actual thing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/17/51596/-

"Gee, Why does the union thug who tore up phil parlock's Bush sign and made his little girl cry look uncannily like his own son?" Is also a question.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Those are the questions that none asks anymore

[quickesst]

8. Well...

"But here is where my skepticism comes in. Why would a caller from clearly the other side of a state line, who was NOT there... call and leave their phone number?"

How do you know a police report has not been filed? Another thing. My wife and I moved to the state we're in and I bought a new phone with a new number. My wife still has her phone from our former residence. If she calls someone and they don't know she had moved they would think she was calling from there instead of the state we're in now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I am hoping one has

but the question should have been asked by the anchor this morning.

[quickesst]

24. That's media for you....

.... but I believe I am right about the telephone number. If I move from Arkansas, and retain my Arkansas number, to any state in the Union that has that phone service, I could be calling from anywhere and you would think it was from Arkansas. Bottom line? I don't think there is much substance to your speculation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. The phone was registered to VERIZON CA

and mobile phones do not quite work that way.

[quickesst]

30. OK nadin...

....whatever you say,

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. You believe what you want

Rat fucking, even by people OUTSIDE the democratic party is also real. I am asking the questions, you keep coming to conclussions.

[quickesst]

40. "Conclussions"

I have come to the conclusion that I have a concussion? Seriously? "Ratfucking". I think I've heard Rachel Maddow use that term as a journalist. Wait, no I haven't. This from a journalist who has concluded that ratfucking is afoot. Here you go.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Actually it is a term, with a hsitory, used in media

look it up. the two very proper elections for that, ironic I know, child, are 1968 and 1972

[quickesst]

42. I don't think it is a word...

... because I actually looked, but I would be very interested in being proven wrong. The body of your post makes very little sense to me. Sorry.I suppose, since the word is in there, that you are calling me a child. You are not completely wrong. I once was a child actually, and although the years have taken their toll, I am still the same person that child was, well, unless you're about 150 years old, then I suppose child would be appropriate.

[Skwmom]

13. Who instigated the debacle? Who decided it would be a great idea to engage in an undemocratic

process? Hmmm..., no questions about what she did at the convention to compare to what other people say happened? Oh that's right, this is the corp media propaganda machine we are talking about.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. As I said, I asked the relevant questions, driven by a 619 area code

You would expect threatening calls to come from the people most affected. Trust me, in San Diego, a very small group was even paying attention. It is a bloody state convention, who cares? But phone calls came from all over the country? HMMMM

[djean111]

18. I believe the whole thing was planned in advance.

Who has armed police at the ready, at a caucus? Only those who know that there will be trouble. Planned trouble.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Actually that one does not surprise me

SDPD had a squad at the ready during the Democratic State Convention in 2012, so that is not particularly surprising.

[Arneoker]

26. Can we stop this?

That is, implying that this kind of behavior can possibly be excused? If this lady acted like Joe Stalin and Mao combined then by all means knock her. But that is a separate issue from death threats and nasty messages.

You could disgust me to no end (this is a hypothetical) and I would not send you death threats or harass you, because that still would not be right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Yes, and asking if a police report has been filed is a standard question

and so is asking what the hell is going on?

For the record, the DA, or in this case the US District Attorney, might decide there is not enough to prosecute, which also should become a question.

[mindwalker_i]

32. This is a very important question

If there were indeed death threats, one absolutely should file a police report. If one was not filed, it indicates that the story is made up. And whether it is made up is very important for deciding whether this person is a crook.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. That is why I was stunned it was not asked

[mindwalker_i]

37. Yeah, should have been

If a police report is filed and found that the event didn't occur - in this case, a phone call of a death threat - then she would be in serious trouble for filing a false report. If she didn't file a report, then she's trying not to put herself in jeopardy of a false report, and that would indicate the whole thing is made up - ratfucking. I think this is a real possibility, so I'm really curious.

[Arneoker]

36. I'm asking if we can stop excusing the inexcusable

What if I said that Wendell Pierce was outraged about something terrible that the Bernie supporter he assaulted said? (Hypothetical.) You would rightly excoriate me!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Since I called them what they are, possbile FEDERAL FELONIES

how is that excusing it?

Is is that a new recipes of pretzel dough?

Reading, it is really critical;

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. You don't know that 619 phone number was a real phone number.

That call could have been coming from anywhere and any person who was playing a prank or trying to frame the person with the 619 number.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. We did reverse lookout, it was a real number

And yes, the thought of a sim card clone is not that off, nor that unlikely, if you are going to commit a federal felony, and you know you are. As I said, this has the feeling of an old fashioned dirty trick and there are three possibilities here in that front,

1.- Bernie sanders supporters who are pissed off... what do they have to gain? I mean years in Club Fed?

2.- HRC operation, more to gain, but still club fed? I mean, they got it in the bag... no real need and if this gets exposed the gains of this will quickly fade, and hurt her. Why do it?

3.- Quick, think who would gain the most from a divided democratic party that is already at each other's throats? Bueller? This is almost Nixonian...

There is a fourth possibility, We have some folks, in real need of mental health care, who tend to latch to the moment, and pull this stuff off. I am not totally discounting the possibility of somebody with a few mental issues... and every election we have a few of these. They rarely get the medical care they need though.

[Cheese Sandwich]

49. You don't have actual call logs. You have a voicemail that CLAIMS to be from a certain phone number.

Just because the caller claimed to be calling from that number doesn't mean he really was calling from that number.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. But this person was not the only one claiming to be calling from outside the state

so were others reported by the NYT, I am not going to further pull that thread... I raised the questions as I see them. That is all they are. But I do not consider dirty tricks that unlikely...

[Brickbat]

51. "I just don't feel like pulling the full string."

Why not? Calling phone numbers is easy. Jezebel did it.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-called-up-bernie-fans-who-threatened-nevada-dem-stat-1777177985