The facts, there was NO violence and NO chairs thrown

[Jackie Wilson Said]

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This is a fact.

Now, subsequent there were threatening phone calls and so on, which are very bad, potentially violent.


I have been subsequently corrected, it is NOT a fact, as I dont have any proof that it happened still, but it is not a fact until I can absolutely prove it didnt happen.



BTW, I fully believe BoB types are capable of violence.

I just didnt see it.

[KingFlorez]

1. That's not a fact

Jon Ralston had no reason to lie about that and he said that things were thrown.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. Dont see a single chair thrown in the video

One JACKASS picks up a chair but then puts it down.

[JaneyVee]

15. What about the elderly lady who got hit by a bottle and...

The person who got hit and required medical attention? Which is on video.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

19. I havent seen that, link if you can, thanks

[floriduck]

79. Tell us, Janey, how it happened and then link the source.

Some hearsay doesno good for anyone. Furthermore, this whole Nevada issue could have been prevented had Roberta Lange done her job competently. Preventing the stand up vote, she incited the crowd. She might as well have yelled, "Fire". So I hope she loses her job to someone who is honest and trustworthy.

[Blue Meany]

81. I read that medics were there to treat one or

more elderly people who were seated in the front, not from violence but some natural ailment.

[hellofromreddit]

4. Incompetence is a reason.

[KingFlorez]

21. Sure, whatever you say

[Cheese Sandwich]

53. If there was any violence there would have been arrests or at least a law suit against

the perpetrators.

There was no violence.

[ThePhilosopher04]

13. He is either lying or lazy. It did not happen.

[KingFlorez]

25. Yes, of course

It's a plot!

[ThePhilosopher04]

32. If you have proof, reveal it.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. Shilling is a reason. nt

[KingFlorez]

23. He's equally hard on Republicans and Democrats

It's not like he plays games for anyone. He's quite fair. Get a grip.

[Waiting For Everyman]

28. Yet he imagines things that no one saw. nt

[KingFlorez]

33. Ok

Whatever you say. Everyone hates Bernie and lies

[enlightenment]

57. Not lately, and if you read Ralston, you know it.

He's jumped the shark on this issue - he's so opposed to Sanders he'll say anything. And has.

Responsible journalists don't tweet crap without proof.

[grasswire]

34. link?

Because on MSNBC they said that Ralston said he saw someone move a chair.

[Bradical79]

36. He was wrong

Video of the chair incident was posted here. A guy picked up a chair and stood with it over his head. Someone next to him calmly took the chair out of his hands and he got a hug. The whole thing was recorded. I don't know who Ralston is, but he didn't report it acurately.

[Kelvin Mace]

66. Ralston is a veteran Nevada journo

usually with good street cred. But, people do occasionally make mistakes. My experience is he is pretty straight.

[.99center]

51. The standards for sources of info has hit a new low

"No reason to lie", isn't a valid defense of questionable sources of information. It's fact because of your belief that he wouldn't lie, despite having multiple videos that contradict his word? Hmm, maybe I'm going about this wrong. Chairs were not thrown This is a Fact, take my word, I have no reason to lie!

[Stryguy]

92. Thrown Chairs

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[Snarkoleptic]

96. Catapult the propaganda!

I'm astonished that the "thrown chair" is such a focus, in light of the mischief of the party chair.
Here's the video, chair up, chair down, hug. Pretty scary moment.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bernie4People/status/732619789424832512/video/1

[Fawke Em]

97. He lied several times that night and was corrected by the people

he lied about!

He lied enough that I no longer consider him a reliable source on anything and I'm a former reporter.

[oldandhappy]

2. reports from people who were there support you

MSM has twisted this to their own purposes -- certainly not reporting.

[YouDig]

5. The NYT disagrees with you. So does the AP. So does Harry Reid.

So does the Nation. So does Jon Ralston. So does WP.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. And yet not a single pic or video. I am willing to believe this, given who is involved

but I dont see it.

[YouDig]

9. There's video of someone needing medical attention.

There's video of someone picking up a chair, with intent to throw it (he wasn't stretching) until someone else stopped him. And there's plenty of video of what can only be described as an angry mob.

I don't know who all those different journals spoke to, but apparently it was enough for all of them to decide to publish it. And Jon Ralston, respected reporter, said he saw it. It's hard to dismiss all of that simply because you haven't seen a video of an actual airborne chair.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. do you want to stop drumpf or not, if you do, we have to show some cooperation and

reason

[YouDig]

26. I do, of course. I don't think anyone except for Bernie can talk any sense into

his most ardent supporters.

The game of giving token non-factual concessions doesn't work. Hard core Bernie people believe that there's been election fraud in half the states that Bernie lost. Are we just going to say "fine, yeah, it's true, Hillary intentionally knocked people off voter registrations all over the country" in the hope that that will placate them?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

103. When the missiles are flying, will you still be arguing with me about this? Or do you NOT

think that crazy, narcissist sociopath is capable of this?

[kcr]

100. Look. There was an angry mob. Injured people. Video of a man angrily picking up a chair

who had to be physically subdued. People claiming they saw chairs thrown. Those who claim that video evidence is needed under these circumstances seem to be the ones in denial. I don't know if chairs were thrown because I wasn't there, but it sure doesn't seem impossible to me, given the evidence that exists.

[ThePhilosopher04]

37. Bullshit

[grasswire]

39. the person needing medical attention had a seizure.

I watched it in real time. He had a seizure.

And Ralston did not say he saw an airborne chair. Did NOT.

[YouDig]

49. Ralston reported thrown chairs. Roberta Lange just confirmed it on Hardball.

Multiple different journals reported it. I have no idea how that person got to need medical attention, but there is no doubt that there was violence.

[grasswire]

54. I don't believe Lange.

I would believe video.

With ALL the video that was taken that evening of the fuss, there WOULD be video of airborne chair if it happened.

[YouDig]

55. Of course not, she's part of the conspiracy too. It's a very big conspiracy.

[grasswire]

58. She lied the other night.

A liar is a liar.

[grasswire]

60. She lied the other night.

A liar is a liar.

[YouDig]

64. Well, actually no she didn't, but why would you start being truthful now?

[Fawke Em]

98. Like I'd believe a woman who'd usurp democratic procedures.

[YouDig]

99. Well, not you. You think everyone's part of the conspiracy.

The rest of the world does though.

[Luminous Animal]

40. Two people fainted. And no it is not hard to dismiss. There are dozens of videos available and not

ONE depicts any violence or chairs thrown.

It is blatant lies like these that make me doubt that threatening phone calls came from Bernie supporters.

[YouDig]

48. Many journals independently reported thrown chairs.

Roberta Lange just confirmed on Hardball that there were indeed thrown chairs, and death threats were made even at the convention.

Only the most hardened conspiracy theorists think this is some David Brock thing.

[Luminous Animal]

67. No they did not. They all used one reporters original reporting.

[YouDig]

72. And you know this because you were simultaneously in all the newsrooms.

Or wait, no you weren't. But you don't need to be in a newsroom to know what happened, because of the conspiracy.

[JaneyVee]

18. There isnt video of the titanic sinking either.

[seabeyond]

29. Ergo, fact. No video, it didn't happen. Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

61. Of course there are many photos of the sinking, the lifeboats, the rescues and there is in fact

a brief, terrible moving image of the ship going down. Then there is the presence of the wreck at the bottom of the sea.

In this case, there is nothing but scuttlebutt from a campaign that has claimed 'that's not Bernie in those photos' and 'Ronald Reagan was the fist AIDS Activist' among other false claims. People with that sort of track record need to show me actual proof. I don't believe a word they say. Why would I?

[Warren DeMontague]

38. If everyone on that ship had had a cell phone in their pocket

there would be.

[Kelvin Mace]

76. Seriously? That is your answer?

There weren't any video cameras on the Titanic, but in 2016 in any room with a couple of hundred people, plus the press, there are going to be dozens and dozens of video cameras.

[GreatGazoo]

95. Over 5,000 cameras in that casino, name badges and IDs on everyone in that room,

cellphone cameras rolling and yet

no images of violence, no victim(s), no one arrested or detained (?)

They don't want to talk about the rule change, the bogus voice vote or the stripping of 64 delegates to win by 32 so they focus on this chair fantasy.

Does anyone really believe that someone can can assault someone else (or even a chair) in a Caesar's casino, in view of hundreds of people, security, cameras and facial ID and just walk out? It defies belief.

[hill2016]

7. and the White House as well

[reformist2]

8. They are trying to change the narrative away from the screaming, dictatorial bureaucrats who ran it.

A more distasteful unpleasant party hack, you never will see:

[Jackie Wilson Said]

10. Illegal? How is it illegal? Come now.

[reformist2]

31. True.... "undemocratic" or "dictatorial" are probably better words.

[Txbluedog]

11. Did the Sanders campaign finally come up with talking points

And they are going to dent that this actually happened?

[NobodyHere]

52. Bernie says there was no violence and it's all Hillary's fault

[lumberjack_jeff]

12. But there were dirty looks! n/t

[kiva]

75. And bad words were said.

[jalan48]

17. Establishment Democrats don't like it when Progressive's get uppity.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

20. And human beings dont like to be deported for being brown...so as long as you vote for the Dem...OK

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. How come the cops didn't arrest anyone?

Were they not paying attention?

It's ridiculous on its face.

[NCTraveler]

24. Five yard penalty for abuse of the word "fact". Nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

30. I am open to video of violence or thrown chairs.

I dont doubt some of that crowd is capable, but so far it is just allegations.

Show me a known, credible journalist who WAS THERE saying he or she SAW IT and I will retract.

[NCTraveler]

44. You really just said it wasn't fact. It's in your reply.

I didn't need video to know Trayvon was hunted down in cold blood. I went with the evidence. There is enough evidence to throw your idea of facts into question. Shit. With Trayvon the only eye witness I needed was the guilty party himself.

I'm not saying these things did or did not happen. I'm simply saying you just put a whooping on the word fact.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

50. Yeah, I am saying you are right, the word "fact" doesnt deserve to be there, I would change

it but then nobody would know what we are talking about

I have no axe, I am a true liberal democrat who only cares about keeping the White House

[NCTraveler]

71. I enjoy your posts.

There is currently large amounts of info coming fast. A lot is pure bunk. Some is not. Too many unverified stories on both sides.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

74. Back atcha...cooler heads gotta prevail or that madman drumpf is gonna take over

[B Calm]

27. Could the phone calls been fabricated too?

[Luminous Animal]

43. Any evidence that they came from actual Bernie voters?

[B Calm]

46. That's what I'm asking. Don't they have caller ID?

[Warren DeMontague]

35. And the threats are a crime, and there should be a record of the calls, etc. so police should be

involved.

And the individuals responsible should ABSOLUTELY be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and in the process we can find out who they are...


and which campaign- if any- they are affiliated with.

[grasswire]

41. yes, let's see the police reports. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

47. ^^This^^

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Isn't it nice we have something to talk about tonight other than the primary results coming out of

Oregon?

Gee, I wonder who internal polling says is going to win there.

[auntpurl]

45. President Obama just condemned the violence.

You think the WH didn't verify that there was violence before he made a statement?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

62. He used those words?

Here is what was said and not directly by my wonderful President

“The president on a number of occasions has spoken out against violence and has certainly said a political dispute like this can never be used to justify violence or a threat of violence,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.

So he left open a threat, vs actual.

He is right again,

[auntpurl]

68. I mean, how would you characterise it?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

70. see my post

[auntpurl]

73. No, I mean how would you characterise the WH statement?

Do you not think that's condemning the violence at the convention?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. They were careful to say violence or THREAT of...So that makes more sense to me.

There appears to have been a clear threat of violence after the meeting with phone calls.

Although they could have been made by Karl Rove operatives trying to recreate Chicago 1968

Beware of that always

[auntpurl]

78. Do you think all the media outlets: NYT, AP, Rolling Stone, etc, were all wrong?

I am genuinely asking, no snark.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

82. I think one reporter reported something and the rest repeat it, that is usually how it works.

The point I was trying to make, was more of trying to get people to calm the fuck down, relax, regroup, etc.

I appreciate people like you who are willing to talk reasonably.

I am a Bernie voter who will pivot on a dime the instant he loses if he does and I will then support Hillary big time.

My fear is many wont do that.

If Bernie wins I dont have the same fear from Hillary supporters.

Bernie can still win, by the way so he should be allowed to stay till the end.

What I dont want is a contested convention, which will almost certainly result in 1968 all over again.

[auntpurl]

83. I am a Hillary supporter who would vote for Bernie with joy in heart

should he become the nominee. I don't like him, but literally any Democrat, or honestly the ficus plant in the corner of this room, is better than any Republican. We are in accord.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

85. Ficus plant

[ciaobaby]

56. This whole conversation is out of control

The Hillary team plans on bringing the party together so as to rely on Bernie's voters.
And yet her people don't seem to have gotten the message. The DNC and DWS seem to be working directly against their candidate in this regard.
Wonder how Hillary got those high negative numbers?
As for the phone calls, no one knows who made the call and it is not fair to make assumptions.
And then there is Wendell Pierce - but no - keep walking - nothing here to see. Right.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

59. Video of "chair throwing" --

Second video down on the site, action starts at approximately 4.40. As you will see, at NO TIME was a chair "thrown".

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-videos-full-replay-sanders-delegates-election-fraud-jason-llanes-periscope-youtube/

Also, the video that Mother Jones used to illustrate a "fight broke out" at the convention shows no such thing, only someone lying on the ground near the stage barrier. No evidence of any physical altercation taking place.

There were cameras EVERYWHERE at this event -- I have yet to see ANY video of this alleged violence that took place.

As to the social media and personal messages that are being shown, I have no idea if those are INDEED Sanders supporters but, if they are, there is no place for that kind of behavior.

[grasswire]

63. Thank you.

nt

[Eko]

65. The absence of evidence is not evidence.

That being said there was some dude with a chair over his head, that looked a bit violent.

[auntpurl]

69. And other dudes took it off him.

He was not backing down from throwing it on his own.

[lapfog_1]

102. Guilty of a thought crime!

Because holding a chair in one's hands is the exact equivalent of throwing it at someone.

I'll remember that the next time someone in a restaurant moves a chair.

Hopefully it will be in a "stand your ground" state where I can defend myself from such acts of violence by pulling out my glock and shooting the person holding the chair.

Really, you need to sign up with the nearest police force given your uncanny and supernatural ability to perceive violent acts before they happen.

[Kelvin Mace]

86. The absence of video evidence

in a room containing hundreds, possibly thousands of people, including the press, with I would guess about half possessing phones with video cameras is extraordinary. In this case, the absence of evidence is damned compelling.

Also, the obligation to provide evidence is upon the person/people making the claim.

All I have seen is video of someone who is on the floor and a call for medical assistance, and one guy picking up a chair, holding it over his head, then having the chair taken from him.

Where are the police reports? Where are the 911 calls?

[Eko]

91. I made no claim.

Except for some dude holding a chair over his head and that did not look good.

[Bluenorthwest]

80. If phone calls of that nature were placed, I expect to see police reports and arrests as that

is criminal, to threaten people. This is not appropriate to deal with criminal matters outside the proper channels, to go to the press instead of the police, to seek to smear a group of persons rather than to seek to apprehend the criminals.

[Doctor_J]

87. That's probably a lie as well

Following the lead of their candidate, the far right doubles and triples down on their lies at every step.

[Doctor_J]

84. Are you trying to tell me that Hillarians are lying?

Impossible!

They will do anything to keep from discussing issues.

[B Calm]

89. +1

[choie]

88. It's just fucking unbelievable

There's video all over the place - people with cell phones etc and there is NO video of chairs etc being thrown, but The press, Lange and the White House claim that there was violence even though police was there and didn't have to make a move. and who do DUets believe? The press, Lange and the White House and NOT the evidence...

And Lange comes out with recordings of threatening voicemail who she claims were from Bernie supporters without any evidence. If they are so concerned, the authorities should trace the calls and start arresting people.

[Stryguy]

93. Here you go

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[choie]

94. Nice try- but

that person lifting the chair didn't throw it - he put it down. Still no video evidence of chairs being thrown. Trying to "catapult the propaganda" huh?

[Jester Messiah]

90. Big of you to admit it.

And it does remain a fact that many of us are fed up with establishment bullshit and dirty tricks. But the only threat I'm willing to make personally is to take my vote elsewhere.

[puffy socks]

101. So picking up a chair and threatening to throw it

and having to have people talk you out of that isn't showing violence?

Really?
Go try that in a restaurant to go try that at the police station with an officer I bet you'd be arrested for assault.

Ah but I forgot... #freepassgorBerniessupporters