I'm no longer "feeling the Bern"

[Bradical79]

Honestly, his response on Nevada was pretty damn poor, imo. While there certainly was some lying about the incident from Clinton supporters on this board, I think death threats and way over the top and deserves much better than his "whataboutism" and campaign talking points. I can't get behind that, and it does feel very much like the death throes of Clinton's campaign in '08. I think it was a good run, and I'm looking forward to fighting for a better country beyond 2016.

[floriduck]

1. I respectfully disagree. When you get blindsided, you deal with it.

Roberta Lange brought this shit on herself! There was zero attempt to work with the attendees.

[NobodyHere]

41. She did absolutely nothing to deserve death threats

Blame the victim much?

[floriduck]

54. I'm not questioning that. But Bernie didn't make them. Read his FULL statement. He didn't condone

any of it. But Lange is anything but a victim. She's a tool for the DNC and Clintons campaign. Save the righteousness for someone who buys shit like that!

[NobodyHere]

76. You said "Roberta Lange brought this shit on herself!"

She did nothing to deserve death threats and that is what she is getting.

[panader0]

80. Who made the threats? It should be easy to find out.

Tweets or phone calls are traceable. How is it certain that Bernie supporters made the calls?
Where are the cops? Where are the arrests? Maybe Rove did it. Or Brock. Who knows at this point?
Certainly, the posted tweets that I saw were disgusting, no matter who sent them.

[synergie]

89. They left their call back numbers. They sound exactly like the Berners here.

Maybe Bernie supporters did it? Funny how THAT is never an option for any wrong doing of Bernie folks.

[adigal]

112. Here you go

1. Maybe sanders' supporters did it
2. Maybe they didn't

The point is that there is no evidence either way.

[sheshe2]

78. Death threats are never ok.

They are not.

[MrMickeysMom]

120. So, now it's death threats...

Get real.

[George II]

113. How were the Sanders delegates "blindsided"? "Work with the attendees"? This wasn't....

...a movie or play, it was a Democratic Convention, the "attendees" should have been delegates registered with the Democratic Party. Those that weren't were disqualified, in fact some weren't even Nevada residents.

[floriduck]

121. Oh George, let me explain it to you.

The voice vote was accepted as is, even though it was a tied volume or a Sanders win. But instead of following the rules in that case and requesting a standing vote like she should have done, Roberta Lange just gaveled that the Clinton voice vote won. Watch and listen to the video of it. It even upset some long time Dems who supported Clinton. If it had happened against you, you'd be upset too.

I'm not even addressing the disqualification of delegates. That's a story neither you nor I can prove, even though you think you have the answer.

So from the moment Lange demonstrated a blatant Clinton bias, things were headed downhill. I don't condone any form of violence or intimidation. But I also despise open and slanted bias by the state and national party.

[Hortensis]

123. Independent explanations are now available on line.

I'm afraid yours does not agree with those of professional evaluations, none of which find that either the Hillary camp or the NSDP did anything at all wrong. All actions were within the rules.

They point out that Sanders was using the rules to try to get more delegates, effectively overthrowing the popular vote. They question the "democracy" of that but point out that what he was doing was within the rules.

Most point out that he deliberately mislead his followers into thinking they were being cheated of victory when they were not, inciting them to inappropriate fury and violence.

Go educate yourself and then stop assisting the spread of unprincipled lies.

[floriduck]

128. Show me a source that's demonstrated a fair and even reporting. I am not sure they exist.

[Hortensis]

130. If you're not avoiding the truth, go find some

yourself. I've posted a bit, but I'm not hunting up stuff for you to refuse to read.

[floriduck]

131. That's what I thought. The ones I find don't confirm your story.

[George II]

125. Have you ever been a delegate to a convention or attended a convention in person?

Voice votes occur all the time. Do you even know what the voice vote was about?

As for the disqualified "delegates", they could not demonstrate that they were registered Democrats. In fact, I read that a few of them weren't even Nevada residents.

[floriduck]

127. Yes, the voice vote was about rule changes decided by the pro-Clinton state party.

You cannot listen to the vote and determine a winner by volume so a standing vote comes next. Since there were more Bernie people there, the standing vote would have nullified the bogus voice vote.

[George II]

132. No. The voice vote was on a motion to REVOTE on the rules changes, which had already....

....been voted on via paper ballot and passed.

[notadmblnd]

2. This was orchestrated by the Clinton campaign

There's no video of violence nor have I seen any audio posted for these alleged death threats. They are making it up and if you believe them, you never was for Bernie to begin with.

[Blue Meany]

9. No, I think they are real

They've been posted on the web by John Ralston, I think. But she is not the only one who has been getting them. The woman alluded to in Bernie's press release, who was deposed as chair of the credentials committee at the behest of the Clinton campaign, was getting them before the Convention.. She says this is an unfortunate part of the party's culture in Nevada--that activists have been harassed like this for a long time, but now there is blowback on the leadership.

[notadmblnd]

134. Nope. Lied

Heres proof

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017372759

[Squinch]

11. You guys are toooooo much!

[notadmblnd]

15. I'd rather be too much, than be a liar.

HRC caught in her campaign's lies again

[Squinch]

19. My shoes pinched me all day today. My shoes must be Hillary's henchmen.

[synergie]

87. You have been proven to be "too much" a liar.

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange

When someone says things that are not true, they are by definition a liar. Deal with it.

[notadmblnd]

88. That's right- Hillary surrogates are liars.

They say things that are not true.

[synergie]

90. Well, you're the one saying things that are not true, so your reading comprehension

seems to be affected by your defense mechanisms, you got caught lying, You and Bernie supporters who simply reject the harsh reality that lying for Bernie simply doesn't work when you keep getting caught and the proof is positive that dishonesty seems to be the knee jerk response in all cases.

So yes, projecting BSers are liars, since you say things that I've proved are not true.



The cognitive dissonance is truly sad. I worry for you guys, you seem to be breaking with reality in a big way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Ralston pulled the chiar claim back today on MSNBC

He never personally witnessed that. bad, bad reporter.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. The threats were real

who sent them is a good question... out of state area codes really raised a few red flags for me.

[notadmblnd]

26. The phone calls can be identified

But somehow I don't think the DNC and HRC's campaign will pursue it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. If there is no police report, neither will the cops

but as I suggested there, there is a possibility that the calls came from outside both campaigns. It has a very familiar feel. And I am not going to pull the full string. but who benefits? There are three possible scenarios, and two are far likelier under that question.

[notadmblnd]

33. I believe that the HRC campaign wants to instill fear ahead of the convention in Philly

in order to use it as an excuse to lock Sander's and his supporters out. Look how they all talk here, they want us banned from this site yesterday, I know they want us banned in Philly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. That is indeed one scenario

the other... who benefits from real infighting and getting a wounded, or not so wounded Dem on the GE, regardless of which of the two? As I said, my mind went devious.

[TexasTowelie]

96. Area codes don't mean very much any more.

My sister in Georgia is still using her cell phone number with an area code from Texas. The area code for my phone is for the Dallas area, but I'm over 200 miles away from Dallas. One of my close friends in College Station used a cell phone that his parents gave him in college and his phone number used the area code from Lubbock (about 500 miles away). I suspect that most college students that attend college out of state use cell phones provided by the parents and the area code corresponds to there permanent residence rather than their temporary location even after they graduate from college. At one time area codes meant something, but the only thing that they represent now are three digits.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Reverse lookout on the web, you can do that, revealed a San Diego address

and that is as far as I am going with the pulling of this particular thread.

[TexasTowelie]

101. Hmmm, maybe this is one of the delegates that couldn't get their credentials verified?

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. A CA resident going to the NV state convention, yes that will happen

Oy

[TexasTowelie]

108. It could happen, particularly if they are trying to influence the convention.

The person could be using a "burner" phone instead and people do travel so reverse mapping does not mean much either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. And the person could also have committed voter fraud at every stage of the process

Look, the calls happened, they are actual, like for real FEDERAL FELONIES, and fall under terroristic threats... but, unless somebody filed a police report, this will go nowhere legally. And if the US District Attorney decides there is not enough evidence to actually go to trial, it will go nowhere But unless you have absolutely evidence that this was a bernie supporter, and I have political reasons to believe it could be a lot of other things...

I have been around this shit long enough that when I saw that, and did the track back, I went, there is more to this than the partisan easy explanation.

For the record, I do hope charges are indeed filed.

[TexasTowelie]

110. I agree with you that I hope that they can locate the people

that are sending the death threats and charges are filed. It doesn't matter which candidate anyone supports--when it gets to the point that death threats are being issued then things have escalated too far.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. Well I have four theories, in order

1.- Bernie supporters, too little to gain really, and years in club fed

2.- Will go there, HRC insider operation, think Karl Rove, He did bug himself back in the 1970s and called both media and cops, His client won. If discovered the backlash will be epic, and then there is club fed.

3.- Who really benefits from a divided party that is already at each other's throats? They also have somewhat of a history of doing this going back to at least 1968... think

And of course number 4

A few people who are in real need of mental health care, we do have them doing this every election... they are some disturbed critters... but while they go after some high profile target, their intent is all but political.

[Loki]

136. Exactly, we live in Missouri, but my husband's mobile still has a Tx number.

n/t

[synergie]

86. Funny how EVERY stupid thing that Bernie and his supporters do is Clinton's fault.

There was indeed violence, and the audio was posted literally all over the media.

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange

You are lying or deeply ignorant by choice.

You're making up your excuses and Bernie has endorsed this violence.

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. You have absolute evidence each of those came from a bona fide Sanders supporters?

[notadmblnd]

119. He walked his comment back. He lied.

Just goes to show how damn gullible HRC supporters are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017372759

[shenmue]

116. Haaaaaaaaa

[WhiteTara]

126. I think I saw Hillary behind the curtains

orchestrating the whole affair...whispering commands and leading the charge to eliminate BoBs! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[Sheepshank]

3. just so you know you will likely get two types of responses

1. be prepared to get thrown under the bus
2. excuses, conspiracies and unsubstantiated theories to justify the NV fiasco.

[Bradical79]

12. It's the internet. I'm used to it, lol.

I know a lot will disagree very strongly with me, especially on this board, but I'm ok with that. They're still some of my favorite people here. I don't have much confidence in Clinton, and still support Sanders as a Senator, but I'm not feeling it anymore. Yes, there were shenanigans from the establishment Democratic leadership there, and the acusations of violence are crazy over the top, but Sanders with that response really was rediculous. I just think it's time to call it (at least for me personally) and focus elsewhere.

[LAS14]

55. Let's hear it for common sense.

[notadmblnd]

17. Just like the unsubstantiated theory that there was rioting and violence in NV

that was put forth by the DNC and HRC campaign today.

[Maedhros]

4. Bernie's response on Nevada was spot-on and entirely appropriate.

Everything from the Clinton camp is lies.

[KittyWampus]

7. Not for anyone purporting to be fit for public leadership, it isn't.

Maybe as head of the Reddit Brigade.

[ecstatic]

14. His response was not one of a responsible, serious leader.

A defiant Sanders then went on to blame Democratic leadership for using "its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid expressed his disappointment in Sanders' response, saying that he was "better than that."

"Bernie should say something—not have some silly statement," Reid said. "Bernie is better than that. I'm surprised by his statement. I thought he was going to do something different."

Earlier on Tuesday, while campaigning in Puerto Rico, whose Democratic caucus will be on June 5, Sanders dodged a reporter's question about his supporters' behavior by turning his back and walking away.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/bernie-sanders-nevada-convention-death-threats

Really? No response other than a written statement that blames democrats? This is completely unacceptable cowardly behavior! He doesn't have any evidence to support his careless allegations either.

[A Little Weird]

35. His response was entirely appropriate

Most of our leaders in the recent past have lacked a backbone so I can understand why it might not look like the leadership we're accustomed to.

[ecstatic]

37. Really? Let me guess... You're referring to President Obama?

Or which leaders are you referring to?

[A Little Weird]

45. I was referring to them collectively

But now that you mention it, "we must look forward, not back" was pretty fucking spineless.

[ecstatic]

47. Actually, if he had spent his mandate and first four years

trying to lock up BushCo, we wouldn't have the ACA, 5% unemployment, and a stable economy. And guess what? They'd still be free! On top of that, we would have been dealing with President Romney since 2008.

Bushco belongs in prison, but whether it happens or not, there's something called karma and I happen to believe in it.

[A Little Weird]

50. Justify it however you like n/t

[floriduck]

61. Stop reading second hand shit. Read his full statement for Christ sakes!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141453863

[ecstatic]

79. Wow! The full statement is much worse! WTF?

Disgusting actually. Bernie--the pro-NRA guy--is accusing Hillary supporters of shooting into his Nevada office in the same paragraph that he gives a generalized condemnation of violence. The disgusting behavior that occurred at the convention (and after) are specific and documented on video / audio. The recipients of that rage deserve much more than what was stated in that impersonal, rambling release. Wow!

Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.

In that release, there's no acknowledgement whatsoever of the very specific abuse and threats that several democratic women have received from his supporters.

I really don't know what to make of this guy--does he live under a rock? It seems like he has no idea what's going on and that someone is feeding him false information about his delegate numbers, the primaries, etc.

[sadoldgirl]

5. It is not clear, who made death threats.

It is very easy to fall for rigged info, and we had
a lot of that during this campaign.

If you are so easily thrown off, then I
have doubts that were seriously considering
Bernie as a candidate.

He is an honest man, who detests violence, and his
statements hit the mark.

[procon]

6. We need a president who will take no responsibilty whatsoever.

Go Bernie!

As long as it's someplace else. Take a nice vacation, or maybe mow your lawn.

[sadoldgirl]

22. I don't recall that HRC takes any responsibility for Libya, for instance.

[procon]

42. Not her call as SoS, that was up to the President to decide if it's appropriate

to the best interests of the US, and our allies, as well as all the regional stakeholders. Like all her predecessors, she served at the pleasure of the president, and it would have been foolhardy to undermine his authority or act like she was more powerful, not to mention the international blowback that would have spread around the globe because of some asinine statement that the US was at fault.

You didn't think any of this through, yeah?

[floriduck]

62. That's full on crap. And if you missed Obama's acknowledgement that it was his biggest regret,

it's out there.

[frylock]

91. ‘Bravo!’ Email Appears To Show Clinton’s Friend Congratulating Her on Bombing of Libya

Hillary Clinton has spent much of her presidential campaign running away from her responsibility for the United States’ disastrous 2011 intervention in Libya. The February 19 release of more emails from her private server may make it harder for her to do so.

In an email with the subject “bravo!” sent on March 19, 2011—the day the United States and its allies began bombing Libya—Clinton confidant and former employee Anne-Marie Slaughter appears to praise then-Secretary of State Clinton for convincing a reluctant President Obama to take military action in Libya.

“I cannot imagine how exhausted you must be after this week, but I have NEVER been prouder of having worked for you,” writes Slaughter, who worked as an advisor to Clinton in the State Department from 2009 to February 3, 2011, and then remained a consultant to the policy planning bureau. “Turning POTUS around on this is a major win for everything we have worked for.” An earlier email release, which I reported on previously, showed that Slaughter had spent February 2011 imploring Clinton to involve the United States militarily in Libya, insisting that it would “change the image of the United States overnight.”

<snip>

Her role also bears scrutiny as the situation in present-day Libya continues to deteriorate. Far from a successful model of military force, the removal of Qaddafi led to the transformation of Libya into a lawless haven for terrorists, contributing to the ongoing refugee crisis and threatening to lead to renewed Western intervention in the country. The United States has launched two airstrikes against ISIS forces in Libya over the last three months, sent in ground forces as recently as January and has been pressing for a coalition of European countries to act. Today it was revealed by Le Monde that French special forces have been operating against ISIS in Libya for several months.

As the West gets further and further entangled in the Libyan conflict, the media ought to keep pressing Clinton on whether her foreign policy credentials are truly a selling point, given her apparent eagerness for war.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18912/bravo-email-shows-anne-marie-slaughter-congratulating-clinton-on-libya

[auntpurl]

8. Takes guts to say this.

I appreciate your commitment to nonviolence, and I expect a lot of Bernie supporters, most of whom are also proponents of nonviolence, will feel the same.

[Lizzie Poppet]

10. I have no problems with his response, save that it might have been too mild.

I do have problems with any yahoos that might have issued threats (for all that I'm furious about the shenanigans in NV, too)...but that's not on Bernie.

[kstewart33]

24. The threats certainly are not on Bernie.

But it is his responsibility to issue a call for civility among his more aggressive supporters.

Denying their violence is not helping anyone.

Bernie is beginning to show the signs of a third party candidacy which hands the presidency to Trump.

A terrible outcome and devastating to the country.

[onecaliberal]

103. His NV was shot at and his supporter was punched in the face. You known

ACTUAL violence. Where the poutrage about any of that.

[TheKentuckian]

115. When will Clinton show real leadership and reel her most over the top supporters in?

This whole kerfuffle is such bullshit, no politicians are not responsible for every fucking nut job that is acting a fool in the country.

Absolutely correct though, the Clintonites are being dramatic ass hypocrites and I wouldn't put it past them to have actually made the the threats to fuel yet another smear campaign. Hell, they've already been caught lying about the deal so what's a few more? If they weren't phony then when are they going to round the nut cases up?

Let's dig into this and see what's what. If it is nutty Berners then they are a danger to themselves and certainly others and if not then let's get clear eyed on what we are dealing with and if some of both then both apply.

A lot of the screeching has been founded on bullshit so it isn't that big of a stretch that most or all of it is.

[chascarrillo]

13. Flashback: "Yes She Can"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511128440

[AtomicKitten]

21. Oh my. Looks like the OP's got some 'splaining to do.

[Bradical79]

32. Yes, that was one other instance where I disagreed with a chunk of main Bernie contingent here

Some were getting excessively agressive in their response to Clinton having much higher numbers with black people. I wanted them to better understand why many might be making that decision regardless of how right that decision was. I really felt (and still do feel) that it's overly reductive to paint it as ignorant low information voting. This was when someone was suggesting black people were voting for Clinton out of some sort of Stockholm syndrome.

[840high]

52. aha moment!

[grossproffit]

53. Many of us started out supporting either candidates.

[Bradical79]

73. It wasn't even in support for Clinton

I thought I explained why I posted that pretty well, but I find comprehension tends to go out the window in the haze of a furious primary battle, especially on forums dedicated to politics. I'm guilty of that too, and it's not helped by the depression/anxiety :-P

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Here you go, a different theory of what is going on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1983057

lets just say out of state area codes sent all kinds of red flags for me

[AtomicKitten]

20. +1

[sadoldgirl]

25. +100

[jillan]

18. Who cares?

[Joob]

27. I don't agree with you. He addressed everything. More than I expected really.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:

“It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics. The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.

“The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change – people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.

“Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.

“If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. Among other things:

The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.

The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.

The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.

The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.
(didn't expect him to call them out! Good!)

“These are on top of failures at the precinct and county conventions including trying to depose and then threaten with arrest the Clark County convention credentials chair because she was operating too fairly.”

[ecstatic]

44. Which idiot thought it was a good idea to combine a

weak condemnation of violence with criticisms of the Democratic party/ Nevada democratic party process? The statement should have been a direct, straight to the point condemnation of violence. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts" included.

Not fit for prime time. SMH

[passiveporcupine]

28. Oh poor you

Like you ever were.

[Bradical79]

43. Not true at all

but I respect your passion.

[bvf]

30. I doubt you ever were.

Transparent nonsense.

[Bradical79]

51. I still like you

I went back and forth on this, but it's the conclusion I came too. It might be wrong, but I can assure you it's honest.

[bvf]

69. Uh huh.

[Arugula Latte]

31. Another Hillary fan posing as a Bernie supporter.

Oh, I mean "former" Bernie supporter. Cough Cough

[Bradical79]

39. Not true at all

Clinton got my vote in '08, Sanders got my vote this year here in Ohio. Haven't decided if I'm voting in the GE yet. Early on I would have said near 100% that I'd support the Dem candidate regardless, but the agressive dishonesty from the Clinton camp (especially on this board) have me questioning that. I'll probably have to sit back and take stock again before November. About 50/50 whether to remain with the party. Will still 100% vote for Sanders in the GE should he manage to recover and somehow pull off the massive upset.

[passiveporcupine]

49. If you were truly a Sanders fan, you would be incensed with the crap that's been going on

at some of the primaries and conventions, like what happened at Nevada.

Yet you only seem to be incensed by some phony violence that the media is screaming about but there is no evidence of as coming from actual Bernie supporters.

Instead you focus on this:

it does feel very much like the death throes of Clinton's campaign in '08. I think it was a good run, and I'm looking forward to fighting for a better country beyond 2016.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

[Bradical79]

56. I was pretty pissed off at that too

Might leave the party over it. It's not a binary situation though.

[passiveporcupine]

63. Oh Jesus Please us.

[Bradical79]

66. :-)

[passiveporcupine]

70. I don't believe you for a minute

and would not hug you with a ten foot pole.

[Bradical79]

74. But I'm cuddly -nt

[passiveporcupine]

75. I won't take your word on that.

[Maedhros]

106. Yep. Clinton mole.

/ignore him.

[panader0]

85. Please change your avatar.

[Tavarious Jackson]

95. I'll hug you. nt

[Arugula Latte]

84. But lookee here, in this thread you are advocating for Hillary. Qu'elle surprise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511128440

[frylock]

94. Oops

[QC]

133. Some people seem to think the Internet gets wiped clean every morning,

like with a cloth, I guess.

[riversedge]

36. I also

think it was a good run but I also think things are getting beyond weird--and maybe dangerous for some. thank you for our post.


.... I think it was a good run, and I'm looking forward to fighting for a better country beyond 2016.

[Arugula Latte]

81. Yeah, institutionalize the rigged voting, corruption and cheating. That'll make America great again!

[MFM008]

38. Read the[ Rude Pundits ] column today

Hes been a Sanders supporter, they may have lost him.

[dana_b]

40. sure, whatever

I believe you were a supporter as much as I beleive that Clinton is an honest human being.

Bye!

[Bradical79]

46. You'd be wrong

It hurts, I'm in tears a bit at how some of you respond to me (odd being strangers and all), but I know how politics can be. It's expected and I can take it. Never said I was leaving though.

[dana_b]

48. then you obviously did not follow along on Saturday, Sunday, yesterday

and today like many of us have - or are being purposely obtuse.

[Bradical79]

64. The lies about the chair throwing?

The cheating at the convention? What did I miss? If that's where this ended, I'd be all aboard still. I'm sorry if you think I'm some phony Clinton shill. I agree that it's infuriating to be lied to over and over. It's why I'm not planning on dealing with the Clinton shills any time soon either. If it makes you feel any better, Bernie allready got my vote in Ohio. Maybe we can just agree that I'm an honest idiot rather than a long term Clinton plant waiting for this day to strike?

[PowerToThePeople]

57. Cool story bro.

[BillZBubb]

58. Brock's propaganda snags another one.

I guess Hillary made a good choice of propagandists. He appears to easily turn people against Bernie.

Bernie's response to NV was dead on. Almost all the stories that came out of their from the Hillary crowd was an orchestrated DAMN LIE to effect those like you. It's a shame you bought the HRC propaganda.

[Surya Gayatri]

59. Massive K & R. Thanks for posting.

[pdsimdars]

60. You were never "feeling the Bern". His response was TERRIFFIC. To any balanced mind interested

in the truth, it is obvious who got it right. So, IMHO, you're just another person faking the Bern to diss the Bern.

I just never know how people get to the place where they feel like lying is the way to go. You lose yourself when someone chooses to lie.

[Eric J in MN]

65. You previously posted 'Yes she can.'

Can you direct us to a post in which you urged people to vote for Bernie Sanders?

[barrow-wight]

67. Bernie's response to all of this concerns me deeply.

Why is he not addressing the violence at all? In my opinion, to ignore it is to make it ok. Why would he not address this?

[QC]

124. Geez, 77 posts on your first day and already Flagged for Review!

You really are concerned!

Account status: Flagged for review
Member since: Tue May 17, 2016, 12:30 AM
Number of posts: 77
Number of posts, last 90 days: 77

[DefenseLawyer]

68. Dear Penthouse: I am a freshman at a large Midwestern university

I always thought these stories were made up, but you won't believe what happened to me last week...

[Armstead]

71. It's succeeded with you

They focus relentlessly on one situation that got out of hand. Tie it into other random actions by a small number of individuals among the millions of people who support Sanders -- and ignore the 98 percent who don't do stuff like that.

Naturally the manufactured consent becomes that Bernie is going haywire, rather than the truth, which is that as the home stretch nears all sides are stressed out and worn out.

On to Clinton and her glorious victory...And six months of Reality Show back and forth between she and Trump as to which is the worst person.

Bernie and the issues he brought out?....meh. Doesn't matter. Only the future of America at stake.

[Number23]

72. His response was gross. As tone deaf and clueless as so many other missteps made by his campaign

And his choosing to not in any way criticize the universally panned and maligned behavior of his supporters -- YET AGAIN -- shows a genuine lack of leadership or responsibility at the very least.

[Maru Kitteh]

77. You were brave to post this. I'm sure you knew the heat you would get.

But still I'm sorry for the rude and ugly responses you've been given.

I do hope you'll stick around, and IRL do whatever you find appropriate to bring defeat to the fascist orange man-baby across the aisle. No matter what, best of luck to you in the future.

[islandmkl]

82. did anyone ever get burned by the keyboard from posting on the internet?

you are saying what you are saying...and you said what you said before...and none of it means anything except to get us posters to engage...

i especially like the 'courageous' moniker...yeah, you really went out there...

Bernie But has its own clubhouse...your key is under the mat out front...

at least you got a lot of participation, including mine...

[ThePhilosopher04]

83. My guess is you never were

[LaydeeBug]

92. My dreams of a Clinton/Sanders ticker are dashed since NY.

When the math would not add up, the writing has been on the wall for a while now. I would have supported him were he ahead in popular vote (as Clinton was in 2008) but he is not, so pretending he is being shortchanged is a bit off. He loses gravitas each day he stays in this beyond when it was clear he won't be the one.

[Tavarious Jackson]

93. I'm with you.

I donated to his campaign. I went to his rallies. Nevada changed it for me. I told a few people here how I felt and I am now with Hillary since I am a real progressive who will aggressively fight for SCOTUS. I received non stop Private mail about how disgusting I am. Some even resorted to racism. I had to delete and start new. The spin about it not being Bernie supporters insults my intelligence. Bernie not strongly condemning it confirmed to me what he wants. He wants a 68 riot revolution to destroy the democratic party he was never a part of. He has been dreaming of that for years. This is his last chance. In my opinion. At our expense of a Donald Trump president. I am a man who rarely cries. I cried, I felt so deceived and betrayed by someone I really looked up to.

[desmiller]

105. OOh gee whiz... Naughty list you go.....

[jcgoldie]

100. Sanders

Taking the political capital earned from an impressive campaign ... and "berning" it.

[silvershadow]

104. Oh well I am! I'm feeling Double Bern! Can't wait until Philly! See ya there! nt

[desmiller]

107. #84. Sorry Bradical. A Hillary supporter with a Bernie Avatar gets no sympathy from me.

NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!!!

[merkins]

114. A Brock Radical? So clever...

eol

[lovemydog]

117. Your last sentence stands out.

Keep on fighting for a better country. It's a lifetime endeavor. Best of luck to you and best regards.

[FlatBaroque]

118. HAHAHAHAHAHAHH........

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAH




bye

[farleftlib]

122. Oldest trick in the book - it's easily seen through. I used to support X but not anymore....

This OP is SOP for HRC. Capisce?

[Hiraeth]

129. please, immediately. change your avatar.

[Amimnoch]

135. Welcome to the big tent Bradical79.

Hope you have the thick skin you'll need to endure the written assaults from the little one next door.

[Loki]

137. Watch out for the bus Bradical79

I think they may have to get a bigger bus after Nevada. But welcome, none the less. Keep looking at the big picture. Saw a poll posted from Fox News, lol, yes now they post Fox News as a credible source, that Donald Trump is leading among white voters. Yep, that's all they've got, just polling white voters, but we have our work cut out for us and I'm glad you are here.

[Gothmog]

138. Sanders response to Nevada was very disappointing