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The coronation will be Jackbooted (Original Post) AgingAmerican May 2016 OP
they are there because of the behavior of sanders people. nt msongs May 2016 #1
They are there because the Nevada Dem party got caught cheating AgingAmerican May 2016 #2
Facts matter seabeyond May 2016 #7
Video matters AgingAmerican May 2016 #9
Ah, so you ignore the facts so you can continue with false accusations. No surprise, whatever. seabeyond May 2016 #12
Ignore the video then AgingAmerican May 2016 #13
Facts have evidence beedle May 2016 #20
Bernie lost puffy socks May 2016 #37
I do feel good with this win. Oregon though... ahhhh, would make me very happy. seabeyond May 2016 #45
First polls in Oregon close in ~ 30 min puffy socks May 2016 #46
Okay. I am game. seabeyond May 2016 #48
Fecal matter. Loudestlib May 2016 #58
Exactly ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #43
Not quite. Jester Messiah May 2016 #3
Keep flingin' the lies msongs. You seem to like doing it. BillZBubb May 2016 #5
The real criminals are behind the cops. insta8er May 2016 #6
People voted for Clinton. Do not be a sore loser. seabeyond May 2016 #4
GIvern what we've been seeing lately Ferd Berfel May 2016 #8
Sanders supporters were at fault, then blamed Clinton, DNC, Lange and boxer. Facts matter. seabeyond May 2016 #10
BULLSHIT. This is about swiftboating Bernie and supporters to keep them out of the Convention Ferd Berfel May 2016 #65
No, This is about Sanders and his team/supports feeling entitled to "special". seabeyond May 2016 #66
YOu should listen to Hartmanns show today Before you stick your foot in your mouth Ferd Berfel May 2016 #67
Mmmmm, no. I do not listen to opinionated slanted views to draw conclusions. Facts work better for seabeyond May 2016 #69
Oh Well Done. Now go stick your head back in the sand Ferd Berfel May 2016 #71
You are listening to agenda/supporter based opinion. I have facts. Who is sticking that head in seabeyond May 2016 #72
You forgot your link. polly7 May 2016 #80
Those in their collective tantrum certainly are sticking their fingers in their ears, for sure. seabeyond May 2016 #81
They sure are. lmao. nt. polly7 May 2016 #82
Exactly. Disenfrachising Bernie voters + Padding election results for Hillary = A phony victory. reformist2 May 2016 #18
No, the Nevada Dem party got caught cheating AgingAmerican May 2016 #11
No they did not. Sanders supporters didn't like results, tried to bully a win. They lost that, too. seabeyond May 2016 #15
It's all on video AgingAmerican May 2016 #17
Cheating my arse apcalc May 2016 #27
And they don't follow the rules... apcalc May 2016 #51
I'm excited for the convention. NCTraveler May 2016 #14
Especially the jackboots. Makes the heart go pitty-pat, huh. senz May 2016 #19
I remember people saying Obama would institute martial law. NCTraveler May 2016 #21
Obama is far, far more benign and peaceful than Hillary. senz May 2016 #24
Looking a little green. NCTraveler May 2016 #28
Sorry, I don't understand that phrase. senz May 2016 #34
At this point it's the Sanders supporters who are wearing jackboots... KittyWampus May 2016 #29
You seem to have the campaigns confused. senz May 2016 #39
Election fraud John Poet May 2016 #16
It should certainly be a punishable offense. senz May 2016 #23
Someone told the Nevada Dem Party Chair she should be hung. oasis May 2016 #33
You should have heard what our nation's founders said senz May 2016 #40
One vulnerable volunteer party official = mighty British Empire. oasis May 2016 #44
The occupying Brits who housed their soldiers in the colonists' senz May 2016 #47
Exactly Jeff Weaver's position. "While threats of violence are to be oasis May 2016 #49
No, Bernie wasn't robbed. The voters were robbed. senz May 2016 #50
Perfectly put. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #53
Debbie Wasserman Schultz agrees with me. "There is No excuse for oasis May 2016 #59
There's a ringing endorsement.... kayakjohnny May 2016 #77
I don't say there was fraud in Nevada.... John Poet May 2016 #62
! kayakjohnny May 2016 #76
1968... Odin2005 May 2016 #22
Nixon. nt msanthrope May 2016 #74
They were there because of Sanders supporters and their violent, mob behavior KittyWampus May 2016 #25
They were there because the Nevada Dem party blatantly cheated AgingAmerican May 2016 #30
You link to mob behavior from Sanders supporters and think it disproves my point? KittyWampus May 2016 #35
A guy raised a chair then set it back down and gets hugged AgingAmerican May 2016 #38
There was no mob, no violence. Only angry, cheated Democratic voters. senz May 2016 #31
Hillary WON Nevada. What part of reality is escaping you? You mad cause Sanders' THUGS KittyWampus May 2016 #36
Winning by cheating is not winning. senz May 2016 #41
Jeff Weaver offered up a half baked apology on behalf of Bernie's oasis May 2016 #61
She's got it! apcalc May 2016 #26
they are just standing there oldandhappy May 2016 #32
We need armed guards for Hillary in case someone else faints in the back of the room Doctor_J May 2016 #42
Wasn't this after RandySF May 2016 #52
The cops were already there AgingAmerican May 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #54
I hope so. I wouldn't like to see thugs try to disrupt the convention. This has to stop. Lil Missy May 2016 #56
Will they be REAL thugs, Bullwinkle? MrMickeysMom May 2016 #57
Have you seen this interesting thread, MMM? senz May 2016 #60
Yeah, it did with me, too. MrMickeysMom May 2016 #63
You brought a good, lively vibe to it. senz May 2016 #64
K&R amborin May 2016 #68
Just like W being selected and not elected. He stole the election. felix_numinous May 2016 #70
Correct... She has had the full support of the party machine... Yurovsky May 2016 #73
These people will never felix_numinous May 2016 #75
Personal enrichment AgingAmerican May 2016 #79
Sorry libodem May 2016 #78
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. Facts matter
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

* Based on the county convention results, Bernie Sanders had 2,124 delegate slots to the State Convention and Hillary Clinton had 1,722 delegate slots to the State Convention.

* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention — giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.

* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.

* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.


* Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.

* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information — such as address, date of birth and name — could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.

* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.

* The so-called “minority report” about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee — it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders’ National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.

* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.
 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
20. Facts have evidence
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

Everything you posted there were things CLAIMED but no evidence provided.

And let's keep in mind that the people making this claim are the same people who falsely claimed there was chair throwing and violence (well there was, but it was a Hillary supporter who beat up a couple of Sanders supporters (one of them being a woman.)

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
37. Bernie lost
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

He lost even more tonight.
Smile and be happy. Hillary's doing great!
We both know if any Hillary supporter picked up a chair and even pretended to throw it (which this guy had to be talked out of it) Most of the Fanatic Sanders supporters would be throwing a conniption. They throw conniptions over stuff they make up on a daily basis," proof" that is innuendo and conjecture.
They don't care about their behavior. Let them rage. Let them eat themselves up. Because that's the only place this s going. HC just won Kentucky and will in all likelihood will win Oregon, either way Sanders' campaign is kaput.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
45. I do feel good with this win. Oregon though... ahhhh, would make me very happy.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

When do we find out about Oregon.

Thanks Puffy.

A story is told. Then when ones looks at the facts? Well, the story is 180. We get that a lot with the Sanders campaign. Had it with Bushco too.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
46. First polls in Oregon close in ~ 30 min
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

I'm enjoying a glass of wine .
I hope Oregon is a big win for Hillary.
Here's to winning Oregon ! (fingers crossed)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. Sanders supporters were at fault, then blamed Clinton, DNC, Lange and boxer. Facts matter.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016
* Based on the county convention results, Bernie Sanders had 2,124 delegate slots to the State Convention and Hillary Clinton had 1,722 delegate slots to the State Convention.

* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention — giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.

* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.

* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.


* Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.

* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information — such as address, date of birth and name — could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.

* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.

* The so-called “minority report” about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee — it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders’ National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.

* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
65. BULLSHIT. This is about swiftboating Bernie and supporters to keep them out of the Convention
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

Go listen to the 2 eyewitness guests Hartmann had on today get the pod cast.
One of them had her father there (he is a Clinton supporter and a former SUper Delegate) He tore up his ballot and left because he was so disgusted the DNC crap that happened.

THis is about Lying about Bernies supporters negatively enough to 'justify' keeping them out of the convention.
THis is really bullshit

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
67. YOu should listen to Hartmanns show today Before you stick your foot in your mouth
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

when he had two eye wintnesses on. One was a DNC person.



Hartmann had 2 eye witnesses on the show today

You can get the podcast and hear it.

Basically This is an attempt to swiftboat Bernies supporters to keep them out of the convention

One of the guests is DNC (and a Bernie Supporter) and she told the story of her father, also there, and a Clinton Supporter and a former Super Delegate who tore up his ballot and left because of the Crap that the Nevada Chair and Party was pulling

BOth guests said the convention was rigged and there was no violence.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
69. Mmmmm, no. I do not listen to opinionated slanted views to draw conclusions. Facts work better for
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
72. You are listening to agenda/supporter based opinion. I have facts. Who is sticking that head in
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

the sand to be able to be outraged when Sanders supporters are at fault.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
81. Those in their collective tantrum certainly are sticking their fingers in their ears, for sure.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. No they did not. Sanders supporters didn't like results, tried to bully a win. They lost that, too.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
17. It's all on video
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

You can deny it til you are red in the face, but the whole cheating and attempt at changing the subject afterward was/is being orchestrated by the Hilllary campaign and the DNC.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. I'm excited for the convention.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

We will have a great lineup and put together a really solid party platform. Clinton will knock it out of the park.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. Especially the jackboots. Makes the heart go pitty-pat, huh.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

If Clinton makes it to the WH, can we expect martial law, too?







 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. I remember people saying Obama would institute martial law.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

I have a foggy memory but I'm pretty sure every one of them saying it were right wing extremist. First time I remember seeing it promoted here.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
39. You seem to have the campaigns confused.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

It's the other candidate who advocates invasion, occupation, rash interventions that leave chaos and death in their wake, private prisons, minority-assaulting crime laws, bringing young people to heel. You know the one who said ...



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. It should certainly be a punishable offense.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

Maybe not quite that extreme.

Right now I'm thinking Karl Rove, Kathleen Harris, and whoever has been doing these things to the 2016 Democratic primaries.

oasis

(49,382 posts)
33. Someone told the Nevada Dem Party Chair she should be hung.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

According to reports, this was among the many vile comments she received on her cell phone.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
40. You should have heard what our nation's founders said
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

about the Brits who tried to deny them their right to elect their representatives.

Election theft makes any warm-blooded patriot ... angry. As it should.

oasis

(49,382 posts)
44. One vulnerable volunteer party official = mighty British Empire.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

Our victim's number was posted, why not give HER a call and see if she buys it?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. The occupying Brits who housed their soldiers in the colonists'
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

homes might have considered themselves vulnerable at times.

However, that DNC functionary received nothing but cries of shock and protest after she robbed Nevada Democrats of their votes.

Still, it's never a good idea to cheat people out of their rights.

oasis

(49,382 posts)
49. Exactly Jeff Weaver's position. "While threats of violence are to be
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

firmly condemned, our guy wuz robbed."

Weaver is essentially giving a pass to the bad behavior of Bernie's supporters.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. No, Bernie wasn't robbed. The voters were robbed.
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

And there was no violence. Only anger.

The bad behavior was on the part of the entities doing the robbing. Don't be blaming the victims for their shock and anger.

oasis

(49,382 posts)
59. Debbie Wasserman Schultz agrees with me. "There is No excuse for
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

resorting to violence because you are frustrated with the process."

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
62. I don't say there was fraud in Nevada....
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:44 PM
May 2016

I don't really understand that whole thing.

I just mean in general--- Democrat, or mostly Republican..

At least I thought it was mostly Republican. After this primary season, I'm not really sure.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. They were there because of Sanders supporters and their violent, mob behavior
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:04 PM
May 2016

So the freaking "jackboots" are on Sanders supporters own feet.

And I guess Sanders too, since he can't bring himself to fully condemn such behavior.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
38. A guy raised a chair then set it back down and gets hugged
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

Oh the humanity!

No chairs were thrown, no punches were thrown. The whole 'Chairs thrown' claim was a LIE perpetrated by Hillary supporters trying to change the subject because they got caught CHEATING.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
31. There was no mob, no violence. Only angry, cheated Democratic voters.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

There was nothing for Bernie to condemn in his supporters.

There is a lot to condemn in election theft, and I imagine we'll be hearing more about that in the future.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
36. Hillary WON Nevada. What part of reality is escaping you? You mad cause Sanders' THUGS
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

couldn't steal Nevada?

oasis

(49,382 posts)
61. Jeff Weaver offered up a half baked apology on behalf of Bernie's
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

campaign. DWS basically threw it back in his face saying essentially, "when you put the word "but"into the apology, you're giving a pass to the bad behavior."

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
42. We need armed guards for Hillary in case someone else faints in the back of the room
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

All those old rich guys who are voting for Bernie can be dangerous

RandySF

(58,799 posts)
52. Wasn't this after
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

The casino, a private establishment, asked everyone to leave? Or did Sanders supporters declare it Priperty of the Bernie People's Brigade?

Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
56. I hope so. I wouldn't like to see thugs try to disrupt the convention. This has to stop.
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

What a bunch of sore losers.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
57. Will they be REAL thugs, Bullwinkle?
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

Or, will they just kick your head in if you get out of your seat and shout, "re-count" for over one minute?

I hear it r e a l l y hurts if your don't cover your head...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
64. You brought a good, lively vibe to it.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:57 AM
May 2016

I wish Manny G. were still here; it's the kind of thing he'd enjoy too.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
70. Just like W being selected and not elected. He stole the election.
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

HRC is stealing and not 'winning' this election. I will never say 'win'.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
73. Correct... She has had the full support of the party machine...
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

This was never going to bd left up to the voters. Anyone who thinks the playing field was level is crazy. Yet even with all of her filthy dirty corporate blood money and having her people on the controls of al party operations, she has struggled to put away a senior senator who was a reluctant candidate and who had no control over the Party's operation.

Rather than telling her opponent to stand down, she should reach out and try to rmend fences with progressive leaders and voters. But they are looking to purge us from the party since we refuse to submit to their corporate masters.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
75. These people will never
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

change their tune one molecule to serve the people. They have made that very clear. A tiny bone now and then, lots of showmanship, and the beat goes on and on.

I want to have hope there are enough honest people in the FBI and lawyers who will advocate for all the screwed voters and delegates to just crack the door open enough that Progressives can move this country forward.

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