One thing about tonight is clear....

[Jude the Obscure]

Clinton cannot win without the Independents. She has alienated them so much in the last few weeks.

Bernie can and will win with the Independents.

[oldandhappy]

1. you got it!

[puffy socks]

2. Strange

I'm an Independent and I feel alienated By Sanders and his gang of supporters.

Contrary to popular Sanders camp's beliefs, all Independents are not voting for Bernie Sanders.

[Duckhunter935]

4. Yes another April wonder

Interesting name there SOCK

[snowy owl]

7. Thanks for the laugh! First one tonight.

[corkhead]

8. lol

[puffy socks]

13. So then Duck

where's the proof all independents are voting for Hillary?


Yep I'm an Independent who's not really concerned if you believe me or if you think I'm working for Brock.

I find it hilarious that Bernie's supporters are all such great sleuths.
Can't wait to find out who I am tomorrow.


Enjoy being Berned in this evening's primaries !

[Duckhunter935]

19. Never said ALL

I just pointed out the coincidence of all of the newly minted Hillary supporters all dumped here the same time Brock started paying. The Sock in your username just was ...........

[puffy socks]

27. Then I'd say we have nothing to worry about at camp Hillary.

Many Independents like myself will vote for Hillary.

[Duckhunter935]

34. and many like me will vote neither for her or Trump

[puffy socks]

38. so? nt

[Arugula Latte]

5. You're a new poster and seemingly open to the TPP ...

Hmmm ... nothing strange about that ... no, not at all ...

[QC]

6. I like the username, though.

It has interesting connotations.

[Duckhunter935]

11. Indeed

A lot of new posters joined in April for some reason

[QC]

12. And did you notice that the "amnesty" here happened just in time

for Brock's Million Dollar Troll Project?

I'm sure it's purely coincidental, but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Duckhunter935]

16. Yes, I am sure he is a big star member

Also notice the many dormant accounts that just came to life at the same time, ALL Hillary supporters.

[QC]

18. Yeah, all those people who had put up forty or fifty posts since 2002

but suddenly became dynamos a couple weeks ago.

Funny how that works, too. A real head-scratcher.

[Duckhunter935]

20. Yes, They do not think it would get noticed?

[Hoyt]

21. Duplicate. Sorry.

[Hoyt]

23. And lot of posters entered through the Gungeon and support candidate who protects gun profiteers.

[Duckhunter935]

25. link to some proof of that

You must have some kind of gun fixation. You might want to seek some professional help.

[pokerfan]

43. It's like they aren't even trying to disguise themselves

I guess it all pays the same....

[QC]

44. No need for disguises

when the owner of the site decrees that there will no longer be consequences for disruption.

[Kittycat]

64. Puppet theater

[QC]

65. Yep. n/t

[pacalo]

9. Mmhmm.

[bkkyosemite]

52. We are not a gang

[mooseprime]

3. well the facts do have a known anti-clinton bias

but bulldozer debbie and her troop of grotesque lobbyists are going to make sure this comes out their way.

[pacalo]

14. Reminds me of the adage, 'Be careful what you wish for'.

If they do get her rammed through, the anti-Clinton sentiment will be on a grand scale.

[mooseprime]

15. i suppose we should be making book

on how many billions they and their foundation will have after clinton has been president for a while. look how great they did when she was SoS

[pacalo]

22. You're not kidding!

We could be looking at the first husband/wife U.S. presidents to have both been impeached.

[mooseprime]

24. i would never have guessed that two people all by themselves

could constitute a crime syndicate.

[Duckhunter935]

29. wow, 428 post in 11 years

just what we were talking about

[mooseprime]

33. didn't have much to say

until the corruption became intolerable. just read and donated money.
buh-bye, super-poster

[Duckhunter935]

35. good for you

Hope to see you posting for a long time

[brooklynite]

10. True...but the are many more Independents than the ones that vote in the Democratic Primary...

[Txbluedog]

17. You mean every independent isn't going to vote for Bernie?

[MFM008]

28. He won't be on the ballot

[Duckhunter935]

36. Others will be though and the option leaving it blank

[Recursion]

30. Obama lost independents in 2012 and still won

I hope this if finally the cycle people realize the independents don't really matter as much anymore.

[Duckhunter935]

67. And fewer registered democrats

[griffi94]

31. Bernie isn't going to be the nominee

[mindwalker_i]

40. Hillary isn't going to be president

[griffi94]

45. That remains to be seen

Bernie has been eliminated from the race via delegates.

His winning the nomination is now a statistical impossibility.

Hillary hasn't been eliminated from being president yet.

[mindwalker_i]

46. Hillary's numbers go down

They do not go up. It happened in 2008 and it's happening now. The more exposure she gets, the more people dislike her. Trump will beat Hillary because, even though a lot of people don't like him at all, they will dislike Hillary more. That's The Math that Hillary supporters/acolytes are incapable of dealing with - or paid not to.

[griffi94]

49. Remains to be seen if she becomes president

Late October and the picture will be more clear.

She wins the nomination.
That's just math and delegates.

Anything past that has no hard data
and so is speculation.

[mindwalker_i]

50. "no hard data"

But you've got a brain, use it! Hillary's numbers go down. We've seen it and are seeing it now. Why? Because of exactly the stuff that's happening. NV was a mess and it looked like thuggery. You can argue about why it happened until the cows come home and turn up at Burger King, but that's how people see it. The evidence is in front of your face.

Yeah, yeah, Sanders is a socialist. Hillary has plenty of stuff to hit her on and they'll call her a socialist too. Again, arguing with people here about all the negatives and why they aren't fair and why they're sexist won't make a fuck of difference. People will still see the problems whether you agree with them or not.

The hard data is in her poll numbers. Read and understand them.

[griffi94]

53. You mean guess? Or wish?

No thanks.
I'll wait for the primaries to end
and then around October I'll make a prediction.

Guessing and wishing is the domain of the Bernie faithful.

[mindwalker_i]

60. No, you'll be whining your head off that everybody has to support Hillary

... or THE DONALD! And all the same crap will come out. "You have to support the war monger, wall-street owned person cuz the supreme court! " And there will be much gnashing of teeth, but under no circumstances will there ever be a shred of reflection to see how we got there.

[griffi94]

62. Not likely

Everybody has to vote how they see fit.

Trump doesn't scare me.

Bernie isn't going to be the nominee.
Probably better if he starts getting used to that.

[mindwalker_i]

63. Hillary won't be president

Better get used to that.

[griffi94]

66. Says you.

But if you thought Bernie had a real chance then your judgement is suspect at best.

Whether or not Hillary wins in November remains to be seen.

Bernie losing is a mathematical fact now.

Wishful thinking won't change anything.

If Hillary loses then she loses.
It'll never be Bernie.

[floriduck]

32. Well the whole Clinton machine has given the election to the Donald.

Their lack of respect for Indies, progressives, or anyone left of center will haunt them for many years. The Democratic Party of tomorrow won't recognize these people who claim to be party loyalists.

[redstateblues]

41. Trump enablers unite!

[floriduck]

42. Not sure who you're referring to. I'm no Trumpet.

[mindwalker_i]

47. Selecting Hillary as the Democratic (tm) nominee

is enabling Trump. That's the real math.

[workinclasszero]

37. But you keep forgetting the fact that

you must win the primaries first!

[asuhornets]

39. But he hasn't yet...n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

48. I've been trying to explain that one, but it doesn't seem to register much with people ...

These are people who should understand a thing or two, in spite of their spite for Bernie Sanders.

Another thing about Independents. Try to tally how many of the almost majority (I believe they are at least 46% of the total electorate) USED to be Democrats.

As I said earlier tonight... "What is the logic behind the change in party for MANY Democrats residing in the "closed primary states" over the last 15 to 20 years? I can tell you that these voters (CLOSE TO HALF OF THE ELECTORATE) have moved away from the Democratic party. And, it doesn't just happen by accident. Unless you are one of those true believers who think that the Democrats previously elected kept on giving their electorate love, you will see that their movement OUT of our party happened with reason. Coupled with gerrymandering to help the Republicans, they left because they saw (and still see) that the party left us. They now have lessened the chance of inclusion unless the state allows them to. They STILL hold the long-forgotten Democratic party's values. THEY HAVE NO PLACE, unless they change parties just to have a primary vote. Depending on where they are, they can. And, when they do, they do it because they see a candidate WHO NEVER FORGOT THOSE VALUES."

[liberal_at_heart]

51. They don't seem to care that they don't have the Independents or the Millennials.

They think they can just bully and scare people into voting for her in the GE. They are in for a big surprise come November.

[The_Casual_Observer]

55. Sore losers for Trump!

That will show you!!!!!

[Lodestar]

56. Haven't you heard? Hillary has been wooing Republicans.

Not for primaries but for the general (should she get that far).

[GulfCoast66]

61. Too bad

He has not, and will not win the Democratic Party members. Perhaps he should have run as an independent.