In a CLOSED primary, HALF the Democratic base went for Sanders. This. late. in. the. race!

[JimDandy]

In the face of almost zero positive mentions of Sanders for weeks by the media.

And with Lange, Reid, and Clinton manufacturing claims of violence conducted by Sanders' supporters at the NV Convention.

Sanders pulled in HALF of the Kentucky Democratic Base! Woo hoo!

[arcane1]

1. But Brock's memo said that a closed primary guaranteed an overwhelming Clinton victory!

And the lies about "violence" the day before the vote was supposed to make that immense victory happen.

What idiot is writing these fucking memos anyway?

[JimDandy]

44. Arcane, it means the support for a Progressive Movement is STRONG!

So strong that all the people, all the money, all the resources the Clinton Dynasty has invested in her coronation can not stop it now.

The 'who' in your question has been rendered ineffectual and so the answer to your question isn't worth knowing, wouldn't you say?

[arcane1]

64. Indeed, even the most conservative Dem now knows things will never be the same.

Sanders is holding free rallies in California while Clinton has a minimum ticket price of $250.

The "unknown" primary challengers are terrifying the New Dems in state after state.

Interesting times!

[CorporatistNation]

79. AND She Spent A Nice Chunk of Change To basically Eek Out A Tie! She IS TOAST!

Will go down in a general... Bernie consequently is the only choice for the supers...

[SCantiGOP]

108. The.primary.is.over!!

Apparently some people don't understand reality without weird capitalization and punctuation.

[onecaliberal]

2. Plus she was parked there all week and running ads

[JimDandy]

3. Didn't know that. Even worse for her then... n/t

[George II]

19. "Parked there"? It's called CAMPAIGNING.

[AzDar]

50. She outspent him 2-1 in KY...

[timmymoff]

55. She got some of that new Bush, Rubio, and Cruz money to

help boost her liberal credentials. Spent 2-1 and won buy that margin. It's her turn though.

[840high]

72. My friend who lives in

Louisville said those "damn ads" were constant.

[snowy owl]

4. Not like she wasn't trying. She and Bill were all over the place.

[JimDandy]

10. I wasn't watching the KY race because I had expected her to win with a good margin

due to the closed primary, so I didn't know the details of what was happening there.

This is way better news than what I was expecting! This means there is a much larger base of support for a progressive movement than we had hoped for. We need a Bernie dance for this.

[w4rma]

33. Hillary spent 3 times as much in Kentucky as Sanders did. (nt)

[Jitter65]

68. The difference is she won. When Bernie out spent Hillary in some races he lost.

And Bernie is the one who was predicted to win KY by a large margin because of the coal miner gaffe and because of the white redneck male union voters...who hate Hillary and most other professional women.

[Peace Patriot]

76. 'Won' by less than 1%. I just looked and it's HALF a percent.

According to y'all, Bernie 'lost' long ago, or dropped out, or fired his staff, or ran out of money...or something.

Not.

This dropped out, weak, lonely, penniless loser just won the votes of half the Democrats in Kentucky, in a closed primary.

[lagomorph777]

97. Not counting Pike and the other "glitched" counties.

[George II]

24. "I can't wait for morning of January 20th...." Oh, and why is that?

[w4rma]

39. Why is that? Because Clinton has done a grand job of pissing everyone off at herself.

Have you seen her record negative ratings? She's almost about to close her negative favorability margin with Trump.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

6. As in WV, "Reagan Democrats"

wanted chances to vote against HRC NOW, without waiting until November. This is how Palin won the caucasian vote.

[Darb]

7. Because it is over?

And Clinton supporters know it.

[YouDig]

8. That and some #berniemath will get you, well, nothing.

[JimDandy]

15. Half the Democratic Base... and damn, his support is growing, NOT decreasing!

This is fucking amazing, overwhelmingly joyous and momentous for the advancement of a Progressive Movement.

[YouDig]

20. So the whole Democratic Base is in Kentucky? #berniemath

[mindwalker_i]

22. How many snarky posts do you need to get a cookie?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I don't know, but here is one

just make sure to keep your distance

[mindwalker_i]

37. Too bad this isn't a cookie we can delete

[Major Nikon]

47. Results...

On Tue May 17, 2016, 10:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

How many snarky posts do you need to get a cookie?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1987104

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

These obnoxious attacks are uncalled for and should be stopped. NOW.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 17, 2016, 10:16 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[mindwalker_i]

49. Wow

[840high]

73. wtf - someone alerted on this? Jeez.

[JimDandy]

60. LMAO! n/t

[floriduck]

104. Is not how well you start, it's how strong you finish.

Bernie is rolling the the Clintons are limping. Should be a fun finish, especially the convention.

[oberliner]

9. Sanders does very well in states with low African-American populations

Kentucky and West Virginia being two of the 10 whitest states in the US.

[XemaSab]

21. Clinton Touts White Support

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support/?_r=0

[George II]

29. You need to go back 8 years to a blog to prove your "point"?

[JimDandy]

125. Here's the USA newspaper article-not a blog-in which Clinton defends her emphasis on White voters:

Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said... "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

If Clinton becomes the Dem nominee, it is going to be hysterical to watch her pivot back to those firmly held beliefs of hers (currently suppressed due to her "Black/POC Firewall" strategy), in order to capture that population of voters instead of Trump. Camp Weathervane is such at apt name for her campaign.

[George II]

127. That article doesn't seem to say what you claimed, not even close.

[JimDandy]

128. Yes, it clearly does.

[oberliner]

41. It's interesting how things have flipped since 2008

Specifically, regions where Clinton dominated Obama back then, she is now losing to Sanders. Whereas regions where Obama defeated her soundly, she is doing quite well.

[forjusticethunders]

52. Hmm why do you think that is?

Can't be that Hillary ran with a white identity politics campaign in 2008 and is running as Obama's third term in 2016, can it? Nahh, no way.

[oberliner]

54. That's definitely a big part of it

She has gone from running against Obama to embracing him this time around.

[forjusticethunders]

63. How much of this is

subtly (or overtly) racist white working class voters who are voting against being "cucked" by socioeconomic changes they blame the black man in the White House for? Bernie seems to win "very conservative"/"wants less liberal policies than Obama" Dems a lot. I wonder what "liberal policies" mean? What do they think they're voting against by voting for someone to Hillary's left?

[oberliner]

67. Good question

I must confess that this is a part of the country and the electorate that I know very little about so I would defer to people in the region. What I think is unfortunate is that if you watch CNN or MSNBC or any of the other big networks, you are also not getting the perspective of those voters either. I do think that race and gender are factors that people are often afraid to examine too closely, but they clearly must be playing some role in all of this, both now and in 2008.

[George II]

61. The fact is, 2008 notwithstanding, Clinton is winning in 2016. And Sanders has 1% of the appeal....

...that Obama has.

[JimDandy]

126. 1%? Clinton Camp's penchant for pulling numbers out of their...... is legendary,

but this takes the cake.

[amborin]

26. why does HRC and supporters also introduce racial divisiveness in discussions?

[azmom]

34. Because it works and they have no morals.

In the GE it will be sexism and racism 24/7. Not one word about issues.

[oberliner]

38. There is no racial divisiveness being introduced

It's just a statement about the demographic factors that may help explain the results.

The primary being a closed primary is a factor in Hillary's favor, while the state having a small African-American population is a factor in Bernie's favor, based on the nationwide results up to this point.

[synergie]

11. Conservative ones who prefer Trump, yet again.

Bernie wins trump voters, not Dems. It is why he has lost.

[JI7]

12. Obama lost the state . obama lost California also

[Proud Public Servant]

13. In 1984 (my first primary)

Gary Hart won over half the primaries held between May 1 and the convention. I keep flashing back to that.

[snowy owl]

69. Maybe more informed by that time? Do you think? What else?

I feel like people are knowing and understanding Bernie better now.

[NightWatcher]

14. The presumptive nominee is having trouble closing the deal

[George II]

32. No she isn't. She splits delegates each and every time and reduces the remaining available pool....

...why is the challenger having trouble competing at all?

[azmom]

42. From a challenger that was not known on the

National stage and raised all his money is small dollar donations from average folks.

Hillary is a weak candidate. Either that or Bernie is really, really good. Take your pick.

[George II]

43. I pick neither.

[NightWatcher]

45. She has the backing of the entire DNC and 20 years of name recognition in her corner

Last time she lost Obama and this time she's barely squeezing by Bernie

[JimDandy]

65. It's a CLOSED primary George. She should have had the whole darn pool to herself

by now. And yet here he is, and we are, still swimming in her supposedly private pool.

[George II]

66. For a week we've been hearing that "coal country" would reject her, and she would lose big.

She didn't lose big, and she didn't lose, JimDandy.

[pdsimdars]

114. I like to think of her as the PRESUMPTUOUS nominee.

[PeaceNikki]

16. I think you mean just under half. He lost. And needed a big win.

[George II]

17. No he didn't, he got only 46% which is less than half. AND, more importantly, he needed 2/3.

[JimDandy]

27. My dear George, he tied Clinton for the base... he got nearly half of their combined total votes.

The support for him in the Democratic base has been GROWING in spite of these last few weeks. That means, the support for a Progressive Movement has now proven to be GROWING. NOT. DECREASING!

[George II]

35. Sorry, I have not idea what you're talking about.

[JimDandy]

48. I know, George. n/t

[Fast Walker 52]

92. if you combine Oregon and Kentucky, he got over half of the Dem base votes

I think that was the idea of the OP

[KingFlorez]

18. Getting Smirnoff drinking water out a jelly jar

The bulk of those who voted for Sanders are likely as conservative as those who voted for him in West Virginia.

[amborin]

23. Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bodes Very Badly for HRC!!!!!!!!

[Tarc]

25. white, rural men, yes. Hardly a surprise.

[cigsandcoffee]

46. Indeed. The worst people on Earth. n/t

[snowy owl]

70. Why not wait for the demographics. You might be surprised. Assumptions are meaningless.

[Tarc]

83. We're talking about the state's demographics, professor

88.3%

[RufusTFirefly]

121. Darn right. Beyond rural white guys, he's got no support!

[LuvLoogie]

28. He needed 66% of them--this late in the race.

[Jitter65]

30. Yes, the half that always votes for the GOP in the GE. nt

[BootinUp]

36. Those darn Dixiecrats!!!!

[HassleCat]

40. There's something happening here.

And you don't know what it is.
Do you, Mr. Jones?

[JimDandy]

56. That quote fits this perfect, HassleCat. n/t

[pdsimdars]

115. Here's what it says to me

(I love this picture)


,

[JimDandy]

53. No squirrel, the rave goes to the Progressive Movement. We are grateful to Bernie. Now

F O R W A R D!!

[JimDandy]

58. Try and keep up with us...

[Whimsey]

59. Thanks to Trump!

He told conservative democrats who supported him to vote for Bernie. The analysis showed the counties Bernie won also had an overwhelming vote for uncommitted, but in those counties Hillary won, the uncommitted votes were much smaller. The counties Bernie won were counties that vote for the republican in the general. They can't vote republican in the primary, so they look to increase the republican's chance by voting for the lesser challenge.

[workinclasszero]

62. He lost..he will never get the nomination

Have a good day!

[snowy owl]

71. It never ceases to amaze me that you still think this is about winning . . .

Clinton is a changed candidate. And you can thank Bernie Sanders for it. Bernie wanted Obama primaried and no one did it. So this time around, he did it himself. You just don't get it, do you? Yes, he'd like to win. But that is not what motivated him to primary her. He has achieved his goal. And if she backtracks, you'll be the sorrier for it.

Grandmamas, don't let Clinton send your poor and minority babies to war.

[workinclasszero]

75. Whatever gets you through the night

[840high]

78. Spot on.

[bigwillq]

100. But you're still talking about him.

So, he wins.
Thank you!

[adigal]

74. Hillary is just not likable- nor are her supporters

She is not likable and not trustworthy. Many Americans have watched her blow in the one the past 25 years.

And as an aside, with the venom being thrown at Bernie supporters over at the daily kos, and the lies, and assumptions being taken as fact as to who is making death threat calls, DU is a bastion of sanity. I think her supporters have lost their minds. If she is so tough and inevitable, what do they care what we think or say?

[KittyWampus]

77. Oh, Sanders supporters are SO likable when they doxx and threaten children.

[adigal]

80. No, that tiny fraction is not likable but most are nt

[arikara]

94. And you know it is Bernie supporters, how?

Because lying Debbie says so?

We've seen so many filthy politics over the years and it's getting worse. I don't believe anything that comes from the "establishment " except that they are masters of dirty tricks.

[Mnpaul]

81. Their Nevada distortion

obviously had little effect and may come back to haunt them down the road.

[ViseGrip]

82. Exactly. Her numbers are beyond circling the drain...

[Buddyblazon]

84. Out spent 2-1...

The more exposure she gets in a state, the less popular she gets.

I would suggest she not do anything and hope she doesn't alienate more voters...and just hang on until the convention. At least her unfavorables would stop going up.

Damn...that's a mofo. Hell of a situation.

[senz]

87. lol, that's great advice for Clinton.

I think she should keep running around telling everybody how Bill's going to take care of the economy.

[liberal_at_heart]

85. K&R

[ContinentalOp]

86. How is Kentucky any part of the democratic base?

A state that's 86% white, which has gone red in every presidential election since Bill Clinton even though 52% of the voters there are registered democrats? It sounds like a pretty unusual case to me.

[anotherproletariat]

88. It was closed, but folks learned the lesson of NY and changed affiliations before the April deadline

Someone put up stats earlier today of the number of independents who had changed to Democrats...if I recall, ~25% of those who were automatically registered as independents changed affiliations, and 80% of those changed to Democrat.

[jillan]

89. Oregon was a closed primary too!

[litlbilly]

95. look at this map. he only lost 1 county by 1 vote:)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/may/17/primary-results-kentucky-oregon-election-2016

[auntpurl]

90. Uh yeah. It's Kentucky. He should have done better than that.

Hillary won Kentucky in 08 by a lot more than that. Since Hillary 16 is the same as Obama 08 (look at the electoral maps) she did very well in a super-white state.

[JimDandy]

124. No, Hillary won Closed Primariy states like this mostly with big margins... until now.

A Dem base, a southern state, and full of conservative, Church-going Dems--Clinton's exact demographics. This was her wheel house to steer as she wanted. Sanders has made inroads into the Dem base, though, by first inspiring and then motivating the progressive wing of the Dem Base to get out and vote.

So, it appears that the real difference between the voters each are capturing, as this contest is finally revealing, is that the Clinton base is conservative and/or religious, church-attending Dems, and Sanders' base is progressive Dems and Independent liberals.

It really is as simple as this: Sanders voters have a progressive political bent; Clinton's voters have a conservative political bent.

[onenote]

91. in 2008, at equally late stage in the race, more than 2/3rds of the Democratic base

didn't vote for Obama in the closed KY primary.

So what exactly is your point?

[Andy823]

113. There is no point

They are just blowing smoke to try and make excuses why Bernie did not do better so they make it all about how bad Hillary did, not about how Bernie should have done better.

[Doctor_J]

93. So he gets half of the party members, and beats her 2-1 among independents, yet we're

supposed to believe he can't beat Trump. Do you think the hillarians believe their own lies?

[litlbilly]

96. I think their brains are so scattered now, they dont know what to believe.

[pdsimdars]

116. Like the wicked witch, "I'm melting, I'm melting. Look what you've done."

"Oh, what a world, what a world."

[Vinca]

98. It should also be remembered that the largest group of voters is now "Independents."

Many turned up to vote for Bernie and were turned away. I, for one, am feeling trapped. I would prefer to be an Independent, but I don't want to give up my right to vote in primaries. There should be open primaries in every state.

[mhatrw]

99. Hillary Clinton is the worst nominee ever and the worst time ever.

Even with all the advantages of an incumbent candidate, all the corporate media help, AND every pundit declaring the race over for nearly 2 months now, she cannot even win a closed primary in South.

[pdsimdars]

117. And have you EVER seen such blatant Media Bias? It's right out in the open with no shame.

[merrily]

101. Apparently, the Sec of State said it was her job to deliver Kentucky for Hillary. Sound familiar?

Alison Lundergan Grimes, who lost a U.S. Senate election and whose daddy was a party boss.

[JimDandy]

102. People like that who are in charge of our elections are way more dangerous to democracy

than a Roberta Lange. Lange's corruption is now out there for the public to view 24/7 on the net. It's compromised people like the KY SOS, who work in the background, using non-transparent election processes that will always be the biggest worry to our Democracy.

[merrily]

103. Yep and it's disgusting. But the Deflection O' the Day is someone hoisted a chair for two seconds.

Unbelievable, really. Yet, it's true.

[Lizzie Poppet]

111. Even more so because they know we won't do shit about it.

Impunity...they haz it.

[pdsimdars]

118. There was a great post this AM by someone who called Grimes' office in KY

She was asking them about the problems and they told her to call the Dem party. It was baffling. She said the Dem party isn't in charge of elections, you are. And they told her to call the Dem party again. It was strange.

[JimDandy]

119. I look for it. Thanks. n/t

[cui bono]

105. It would have happened early in the race if Bernie had gotten any media coverage. n/t

[JimDandy]

106. Without a doubt, cui bono. n/t

[Octafish]

107. Press the Panic Button Time.

Explains the.

Thank you for putting it into words, JimDandy.

[Enthusiast]

109. Kicked and recommended! nt

[pdsimdars]

112. And weren't there stories of her going "all in" in KY? Well, all in didn't get 'er done.

[RufusTFirefly]

120. And some wonder why Clintonistas are growing even nastier...

... and more desperate.

I think it's obvious.

They're scared shitless.

And you know what? I don't blame them.
Their campaign was built on quicksand.

[JimDandy]

122. They are extremely irritated, but not scared, as far as the outcome of the primaries go.

I believe they ARE scared, and rightfully so, about the effect Bernie may be having on her GE numbers within the Dem party and among liberal Independents, the perception that she is a weak candidate due to her inability to close the deal, the public's negative perception of her, and the impact all of that could have on her GE war chest. Those fears are undoubtedly tempered by their need to use Bernie as a buffer for the next 2 months.

Quite a conundrum for Clinton. You can see the Weathervane camp is all over the map trying to figure out an answer to the Bernie problem.

[Demsrule86]

123. Yeah, I am so sorry he didn't come close to the numbers he needed.

Poor Bernie he gave it his all, but not enough folks voted for him.