If Hillary And Bernie were to both be in the GE, Bernie would beat her hands down.

[Seeinghope]

Bernie would not only take Democrat supporters with him but he would take massive Independent votes. The only reason he is behind Hillary Clinton is primary shenanigans and closed primaries. Once the Independents can vote and the Democrat join together Hillary Clinton would be the loser. The Independents are very important in this race and so far they are in the Bernie Sanders camp. Going against Trump...that will make a huge difference.

[YouDig]

1. We'll never know. But in the primaries, he got crushed.

[Seeinghope]

23. Because of media blackout, primary shenanigans and closed primaries. If the primaries were all

open Bernie Sanders would be the winner... If we could get by the primary shenanigans.

[YouDig]

28. Never short on excuses. Always short on facts.

[mythology]

43. This stupid talking point needs to die

Clinton has won far more open primaries than Sanders has. It's actually not even close. Sanders has won 4 open primaries and Clinton has won 11 open primaries.

Sanders does well in caucuses and states that have low black or Hispanic populations. I'm sorry if you don't like those facts, but they are what they are.

[Garrett78]

45. Not to mention the myth of the independent voter.

Obama lost the independent vote in 2012 but still won re-election in an electoral college landslide. About half of Tea Party members self-identify as "independent." Many independents, if not most, are actually party loyalists.

Clinton is winning the nomination by way of the Obama Coalition. And that's also how she'll win in November.

[Starry Messenger]

2. Too bad for you guys that isn't how elections work.

[Starry Messenger]

15. Bookmarking.

In all seriousness, I think some of you have misjudged how many people are willing to carry her over the finish to keep up the Obama movement. But I know many of you see otherwise, hopefully some will actually be happy to be proved wrong.

[Starry Messenger]

31. I think many of you are so siloed into bubbles, you aren't thinking rationally.

Oh well.

[Garrett78]

46. Outside of the likes of DU, there's a consensus that Clinton will win in November.

Clinton is much more likely than Trump (or anyone else) to reach 270 electoral college votes.

[PufPuf23]

14. Too bad you are so partisan and short term in your thinking that history will prove you wrong

and prove your lack of care about the Democratic party and nation.

This will be true even if Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS.

[Starry Messenger]

18. My goal is to defeat Trump, avoid racist backlash and reactionary right-wing economics.

I have no idea which history you think will prove me wrong, as I thought she'd win the primary, and she is winning it.

Your personal attacks over my lack of care, noted.

[oasis]

32. Having Hillary pick the next 3 to 4 Supreme Court justices is

one of more important issues of the GE.

[Starry Messenger]

34. Absolutely a top issue as well.

One of the biggest, I should have put it in. Thank you!

[oasis]

37. Believe what you will. We will all have to wait and see.

One thing we know for sure, Bernie won't be doing the picking.

[oasis]

40. Do me a favor, hang around DU until election night.

General Discussion will be having a party. You're welcome to join in.

[msongs]

3. bernie's biggest myth - independents. they sure failed him today big time. couldnt be bothered to

show up

[PowerToThePeople]

4. KY was closed primary

[LuvLoogie]

12. They could have changed their registration to Democrat.

[Skwmom]

20. You had to change by Dec 2015

[LuvLoogie]

24. Bernie announced his run as a Democrat in April of 2015.

If you can't decide whether you are a Democrat or a Republican during a Presidential election season, then you're a hedger.

It's the Democratic party primary where the Democratic candidate is chosen. Who wins the actual office is decided in November. All general elections for the actual office are open.

[Starry Messenger]

35. If you still thought you might be a Republican by the holidays, you probably don't pay attention

and wouldn't vote anyway.

[SFnomad]

16. If Independents wanted to vote, registering as a Democrat isn't rocket science n/t

[enid602]

5. half right

Your fantady is half right; she'll be in thr GE.

[JaneyVee]

6. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[RobertEarl]

7. Yep

Hands down, Bernie wins a fair match of real democracy. What we are dealing with now is a limited and tightly controlled voting process.

[seabeyond]

8. No he wouldn't.

[KingFlorez]

9. Whatever makes you feel better

That's very nice.

[Whimsey]

11. If Bernie and Hillary were the only candidates in the general Bernie would be crushed.

Republicans are not going to vote for a socialist.

[Seeinghope]

19. No, Trump would be in there too of course.

[Doctor Jack]

21. I wish that was the general election match up

I could at least go to sleep each night not worrying about nuclear bombs in the tiny hands of Donald Trump

[PufPuf23]

22. Everyone should read this article from the 2008 Kentucky primary won by Hillary Clinton.

Context for the Kentucky primary today and also the 2016 campaign in general.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/

Note the article is 5/20/2008. I recommend read the entire article, it is short.

Some excerpts:

Hillary Clinton won Kentucky by 30%

From the article:

Neither candidate is expected to reach the 2,026 delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination.

That means the race is likely to be settled by "super-delegates" -- party leaders and officials who will cast votes at the Democratic convention in August.

After Kentucky's results came in, Clinton thanked her supporters for handing her a win "even in the face of some pretty tough odds."

"Tonight we have achieved an important victory," she said in Louisville.

Clinton beat Obama across all age groups, income groups and education levels in Kentucky.

"It's not just Kentucky bluegrass that's music to my ears. It's the sound of your overwhelming vote of confidence even in the face of some pretty tough odds."

Two-thirds of Clinton's supporters there said they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than for Obama, according to the polls.

Forty-one percent of Clinton supporters said they'd cast their vote for McCain, and 23 percent said they would not vote at all.

----------------------

Thanks again for the context XemaSab

[workinclasszero]

26. If I had a million dollars I'd be rich you know?

[Zambero]

27. And 3,000,000 fewer cumulative votes for Bernie

I would enthusiastically support Sanders if he was to win the nomination. But make no mistake about it. Hillary's quarter of a century of non-stop demonization by the right-wing media is the sort of baggage that Bernie does not have to contend with. IF he was the Democratic nominee, the non-stop attacks and "vetting" would ensue with a vengeance. Commie-Pinko-Socialist 24/7 would be the drumbeat of the day. And the low-hanging fruit would be picking off independents who might have considered voting for Bernie at some point. The right has not bothered with this to any great extent because they do not see him as the eventual nominee, so they are not wasting their time, focus, and money when Hillary is their presumptive villain. Projecting Bernie's effectiveness with independent voters at this point absent the type of negative campaign that he would be subject to represents an inconclusive analysis at best.

[George II]

29. WHAT???????????

[Time for change]

42. Only a small percentage of Americans were allowed to vote in the primaries

Democrats make up only 29% of the electorate, and it's going down, and hundreds of thousands of legally registered Democrats who were judged to be likely to vote Sanders were purged.

[Whimsey]

48. You can make the same claim about the republicans.

Voter purging is not done by the party. It's done by elected officials. In our county the county clerk's office is in charge of verifying registrations, and purges voters whose notices come back undelivered. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.

Registering for a party takes affirmative action on behalf of a voter. Look at Oregon. They automatically enroll persons as voters at the DMV, but they do not assign them a party. The voters have to take that additional step themselves.

Before this election, I just knew my state's rules. Now we all know they vary state to state. You really just need to know the rules in the state you are voting in. Once you know the rules you register and keep on top of staying on the voting rolls. And finding out what the parties rules for registering as a party member are.

[Time for change]

50. So you actually believe that most of the voter purging in NY and AZ this year

was the voters' fault for not checking every day to see if they were still registered? You actually believe that BOEs have the legal and moral right to purge legally registered voters for no reason whatsoever other than to help a particular candidate win the election?

[ViseGrip]

39. There is a lot of talk about this....

[Time for change]

41. He would

And I bet he'd beat her and Trump together in a 3 way race. That possibility needs to be explored.

[ContinentalOp]

47. Not a chance in hell

If it were a three way race between Sanders, Clinton, and Trump, the left would be split and Trump would obviously win. If it were a heads up race between Bernie and Hillary she would crush him, just as she has done in the primary. Republicans may hate Clinton but if they were forced to choose between Clinton and Sanders it's absurd to think the majority of conservatives would pick the self proclaimed socialist who wants to raise taxes!

[Jim Lane]

49. Whichever of them had the Democratic Party line would get more votes than the other.

Bernie and Hillary would each have their adherents, of course. What would make the difference would be the millions of people who vote primarily or exclusively on the basis of party loyalty.