How embarrassing for HRC- to be so evenly tied, this late in the game, so close in Kentucky

[silvershadow]

the election there could go either way, until the results are certified. Wow.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. And after she pulled out all the stops campaigning!

[silvershadow]

3. Yep, Peggy. No wonder she did...looks like he'd have won it without all that extra effort.

[hack89]

4. Bernie did outspend her by a large margin

so it would appear she got her money's worth. It was not a good night for Bernie in the grand scheme of things - nothing has changed.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. they spent a lot of money just to get those results!

[NWCorona]

34. And why she went running to the Bush machine for funds.

Hillary's presence in Kentucky ramped up after those meetings.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. that's right

[snowy owl]

79. She took money from the Republicans? Didn't know that. Brock's idea? She's indebted...

All that money and she has to take it from Republicans? Man, she's gonna be the most indebted President we've ever had.

[CajunBlazer]

77. Spin any way you want: After tonight Sanders drops further behind

Starting in Kentucky and Oregon to catch Hillary in pledged delegates, Sanders had to win each and every remaining contest 67% to 33%. Since he did not win by that margin in either state, he falls further behind.

Going forward Sanders has to win every remaining contest after tonight by at least 70% to 30% and if he doesn't win by that margin in the next contest, the hill get steeper.

Raise your hand if you are delusional enough believe that Sanders can still win the majority of the pledged delegates?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

82. You are misinterpreting my post.

I know full well that Bernie cannot and will not win the nomination.

This makes me sad, of course, but each state he wins makes me feel happy.

[azurnoir]

2. after all the poo flinging her campaign did today too

[CorporatistNation]

6. PRECISELY!

A whole lot of crappola choreography!

[JimDandy]

30. Someone is going to get fired in the HillBill camp for not making it stick...

[Logical]

5. Her supporters have no idea how terrible this is looking. Even the media is commenting on it.

[silvershadow]

11. I was originally thinking a until ticket was the only way, but now I'm wondering if can't

win this thing yet.

[uponit7771]

7. What's embarrassing is privileged people throwing good money after a losing cause

[Jitter65]

10. I thought about that too. A loser trying to take down the Party he infiltrated.

I hope this angry old man goes away after the GE. I can hardly stand the sight of him.

[Scootaloo]

44. As embarrassing as commenting about "privilege" while supporting Clinton?

[uponit7771]

57. No, as embarrassing as thinking poor people have the room to take a chance on losing the dem

... primary

[Scootaloo]

63. That's why my poor ass supports Sanders, and will continue to do so.

Because Hillary Clinton doesn't know jack shit about being poor.

[ljm2002]

108. Privileged people?

Please. That is one of the more ridiculous assertions I have read around here lately.

And BTW, we, like you, are free to spend our own money as we damned well please. I am happy to continue to toss a few $$ to Bernie's campaign whenever I can, and I will continue to do so, despite the "concern" from Hillary's supporters.

[JaneyVee]

8. Bernie outspent her.

[NWCorona]

36. And worth every penny

[JaneyVee]

38. LOL if you think so. 2 more states down, delegate wash.

[NWCorona]

42. If you think Hillary is coming out of tonight looking stronger

I have a bridge to sell you.

I do agree on the delegate math but Kentucky should scare team Hillary because this was a closed primary that she won easily in 2008.

[Garrett78]

76. Clinton is relying on the Obama Coalition

Sanders winning where Clinton won in 2008 is sort of par for the course, and it makes sense when you think about it. This is an oversimplification, but Clinton is doing best where Obama won in '08 against her, so it stands to reason that her opponent is doing best where she did well in '08.

It's all about demographics.

[snowy owl]

80. Can you prove that?

[brooklynite]

9. According to CNN, Bernie won't challenge the Kentucky results.

[silvershadow]

13. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[brooklynite]

18. Yes it is..

the $50 to the Iowa GOP was to attend a cattle call with 10 of the Republican candidates. In addition to our support for Democrats, we're political tourists.

[silvershadow]

22. Oh, the ole "political tourism" thing, huh? Ok...

[brooklynite]

26. Since you have my name, feel free to look me up in the FEC database.

[Scootaloo]

28. Eh, it's fifty bucks

That's like a nickel to a guy like Brooklynite.

[MADem]

29. Doxxing? Why? That's not cool.

Would you like someone to post your details on this website?

[silvershadow]

31. Whoa, I only googled him...he put his name right on here! Duh. nt

[silvershadow]

37. In addition, it only confirmed that has a Republican bent...which, ironically, many of us have

also noticed is a trait of his preferred candidate, HRC.

[MADem]

46. Ugly comments. False, too.

I don't think you're going to be here for the long haul.

[silvershadow]

47. That's ok. Might not be in the party long if the HRC camp doesn't cool their shit. nt

[MADem]

51. Go with The Deity or Lack Thereof of Your Choosing.

[silvershadow]

56. Not until Bernie does. If he stays, I'm staying and making the Third Way's lives holy hell

until they either come around or leave.

[MADem]

64. What will you do when he tells his minions to back Clinton? Will you listen to him, or will you

take your ball and go home?

When he comes to the podium and tells you to vote for Hillary, will you?


When he raises money for her, will you donate?

Inquiring minds want to know.


You won't hang around here and goad and bait--DU has never permitted that in General Election season, and from all indications, we're going back to an old-school rules-based paradigm so that will not be tolerated.

[silvershadow]

67. Nope. I'm following Bernie. He is the new de-facto leader of the Progressive Coalition-

formerly know as "the base" (prior to the Reptilians taking over in 1992 or before).

[MADem]

70. So--you'll do as he asks? If he tells you to vote for Clinton, will you? nt

[silvershadow]

71. Yep. But if the Clintonites stiff him at Philly like they did in Vegas, all bets are off. Fair

warning.

[MADem]

72. He wasn't stiffed in Vegas. He got what he earned at caucus.

Looking forward to seeing you help Clinton get elected. Sanders won't get stiffed. If he does a good job, he could end up as SECLABOR.

[silvershadow]

74. But that's not how it works. You see, the convention is here the votes are cast, and

a great many of Bernie's delegates experienced similar "irregularities" to those our side has suffered throughout. But, I assume you already know that.

[MADem]

87. Sorry--it IS how it works. nt

[joshcryer]

92. You have a penchant to make things personal.

[silvershadow]

95. With this kind of primary we have had, virtually Coast-to-Coast with irregularities, well... nt

[Scootaloo]

41. I like to know who my elected officials are having brunch with

[MADem]

43. DU frowns on that shit--there's PMs if you're actually curious.

This kind of stuff used to be grounds for PPR.

[Scootaloo]

49. Getting five posts hidden used to result in a time-out

Looks like things change.

Also? Antisemitism used to be grounds for a PPR as well. And then a Jewish guy ran against Hillary, and looks like that rule changed too.

Useta, huh?

[silvershadow]

52. LOL! Perfect.

[MADem]

73. Pot call kettle much? I won't be rude and link to yours. nt

[silvershadow]

75. You wouldn't find anything. nt

[MADem]

78. I found nine hidden posts! nt

[silvershadow]

84. Pffft...no big deal. I'm not ashamed of them, most likely. nt

[MADem]

59. Take a hard look at those--they're bogus and partisan.

If you're dragging them out as "proof," they're proof of unfairness, swarming, and piling on. Those kinds of hides are the REASON that the rules were changed.

As for charges of antisemitism, what are you trying to suggest? Why aim that at ME?

You'd best back away from any suggestion that I endorse bigotry if you know what's good for you. I will object to that kind of characterization in the strongest possible way. Those kinds of false smears are also grounds for PPR.

smdh. Never seen anything like that.

[Scootaloo]

65. It's just a big ol' conspiracy against poor little madem.

And no, I'm not accusing you of anything - My apologies if it seemed I was. No, I was pointing out that evidently, the rules change. Sometimes they change pretty drastically.

[MADem]

68. No, it's not a conspiracy--it was blatant swarming.

I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of those HIDE voters who came after me no longer have jury privileges.

Sometimes, rule changes are good things. It should never be OK to call DUers ugly names, but that happens here all the time. It's not right, no matter what side does it.

[Scootaloo]

83. You earned those by the sweat of your palms, MAdem

Speaking of, feel free to alert on Silvershadow's post if you feel it is so egregious. Brooklynite doesn't seem to mind terribly though.

[MADem]

85. No point--your side still owns the board. Not for much longer, though. nt

[snowy owl]

81. I posted names -FOIA; Someone else posted names on HRC side. FOIA again.

No big deal. That's what transparency is. And yes, I don't care who know my donations. I'm proud of them.

[MADem]

86. We've had posters here get harassed and bullied at their homes.

That's why DU has a no doxxing rule. It's right there in the TOS:

Respect people's privacy.
Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[snowy owl]

97. Home addresses were not available. Not even states. Jury agreed. Public information.

[MADem]

98. Did you read what I provided? This isn't about just addresses.

RESPECT PEOPLE's PRIVACY is a pretty basic idea.

So's

Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

Since I didn't alert on it, I don't know or care what a jury had to say. Anyone who voted "LEAVE" though, is someone who hasn't read the TOS and probably shouldn't be serving on a jury.

[JimDandy]

40. It's a mystery, too, that. Our tent is large, but come on...

That link is why progressives are adamant about wresting the party back from the conservatives, corporatists, Third-way, blue dog, DINO's. And barring that, building a nation-wide, Progressive Movement.

[QC]

60. I can't really say I'm surprised. n/t

[workinclasszero]

12. Bernie lost Kentucky

And the nomination.

[silvershadow]

15. Ok...she's so weak she barely eked out 50%, this late in the primary. Wow. THat's telling. nt

[workinclasszero]

16. And Bernie still lost

[silvershadow]

17. That remains to be seen, but it is still stunning she is this hobbled. nt

[workinclasszero]

23. Well if she is "hobbled"

Whats that say about Sanders who lost the nomination to her???

[silvershadow]

25. That he's gaining steam, as she is losing it...Just like the near-entirety of this year. nt

[workinclasszero]

35. Gaining steam? Really?

How much time do you think Sanders has to make up a 200 plus deficit?

Or do you actually believe he is going to even flip one Hillary super to himself at the convention?

Seriously?

I'm quite sure after the bro riot and death threat extravaganza in Nevada that it ain't ever going to happen!

[silvershadow]

20. Oh, and...

[Scootaloo]

33. Do you think it's due to Kentucky being...

"lily white and racist as hell"?

'Cause that seemed to be what Clinton supporters believed when numbers were favorable for Sanders.

[XemaSab]

88. LA Times, 2008:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/one-last-kentuc.html

Hillary was pretty happy to get the white "racist" vote 8 years ago.

[Scootaloo]

90. Fascinating, isn't it?

[XemaSab]

94. That so many people have apparently had some sort of terrible brain trauma

and have no memory whatsoever of 2008?

Including Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

[Land of Enchantment]

14. Amen, brother. nt

[puffy socks]

21. Bernie lost . even if he wins Ky, he lost.

Oregon ..still lost
California..still lost

This really isn't that difficult to grasp.

[workinclasszero]

24. Math is hard

When your gods are dyin.

[bettyellen]

27. Is there a such thing as a "snide loser"? It would seem so.

[silvershadow]

45. we've had sand kicked in our faces the entire way, so I'd expect nothing less now. nt

[bettyellen]

50. I was talking about the OP. The snide remarks are pretty repellant.

But go blame others, that is pa for the course here.

[silvershadow]

53. So is this dirty primary, which is far more important to me than your sensitivities. nt

[Contrary1]

89. To posts #21 and #27

[MFM008]

32. When is a WIN a bad thing??

Oh that's right when it's a Clinton.

[Scootaloo]

39. Well, judging from how much rage and hate exudes from Clinton supporters, it must be.

I've never seen people get so pissed off when they win something. I mean, I knew "Sore winner" was a thing, but this? Team Clinton brings it to an art form.

[jpmonk91]

48. Me to HRC lol

[jillan]

54. AND it was a closed state!!!

[silvershadow]

58. Yes! Wow. She's basically sucking wind... nt

[jpmonk91]

61. yes

Yes it was

Go Bernie!

[spinboas]

62. yea and it was probably rigged to boot!

Very suspicious at the end there!

[TomCADem]

66. What? Bernie is a Strong Challenger! What's up with this RW Spin.

I do not know why folks on DU would push this idea that Sanders is a weak candidate that Hillary should just steam roll. He perfectly electable.

[GulfCoast66]

69. How embarrassing

That a man who has clearly lost can keep convincing his young supporters that he has won. And keep them sending in their $$$.

But we do not teach math in this country any more.

[Contrary1]

91. Your concern about how we spend our money is really appreciated.

[GulfCoast66]

93. I apologize

I must not have written my post very well.

I have no concerns about how you waste your money.

It's just embarrassing that Democrats would continue to spend money on a candidate who is so obviously hurting the cause.

[Contrary1]

96. No reason to apologize, just a difference of opinion; that's all.

And Democrats continuing to spend money on Bernie Sanders' candidacy helps promote what the end goal is,
whether he wins or not. I don't think that money is wasted at all.

[GulfCoast66]

107. Stated like that I do not disagree

I want the party more left but not at the expense of a trump presidency. I hope Bernie cuts a good deal when he and Clinton sit down and bargain for his support. At least he should insist undo some of the damage done to banking regulations by her husband(not her!!)

[silvershadow]

102. Young? I'm well into my 50's. Putting you on hide now. nt

[pdsimdars]

99. Yes, obviously . . . . .

(one of my favorite pictures)



.

[silvershadow]

100. LOL!! OMG...that's a keeper! nt

[CrowCityDem]

101. How humiliating for Bernie to be losing badly to a candidate he thinks is a disaster.

[Adrahil]

103. How embrassing for Bernie to be so far behind in delegates...

His supporters assured me his yuuuge crowds meant he was sure to win!

[silvershadow]

104. He isn't "so far behind". He is behind. Unless the Supers really are going to

divide the party in half. The choice is theirs. They should choose wisely. There is no amount of words on a page that can deny the polling and the trends.

[mhatrw]

105. Hillary Clinton is the worst nominee ever at the worst time ever.

The country wants change, and she is the opposite of change.

[silvershadow]

106. Right? And trying to claim a win? Ludicrous. Way too many irregularities, trend lines going

the opposite direction from a win vs. Bernie's which are opposite, lousy polling, lousy message...I really don't even believe any of the narrative. It is a completely stage managed event from soup to nuts. She has terrible optics. And she is a lousy debater. No way is she even in the lead (except on computers, where it counts...well, which some company counts and we all just say ok, that's what they said)