Can anyone explain why Bernie gets more enthusiastic response

[StarTrombone]

When he slams Hillary and the Democratic powers that be than when he tries to go after Trump?

At least it seemed like it in California tonight

Is anyone expecting the BoB's to fall in line after the convention

[dchill]

1. Because Trump is SUPPOSED to be an asshole.

[JonLeibowitz]

2. Perhaps Clinton embracing progressive politics and repudiating money in politics could help?

Policies, not personality, is what is fueling Bernie. We care about the platform, not just (empty) rhetoric.

At least, that is how I decide to vote.

[BernieforPres2016]

55. As if people would believe Hillary embracing progressive politics and repudiating money in politics?

What she says and what is in the platform is meaningless. There is no doubt about who she is.

[JaneyVee]

3. Operation Chaos 2016

[w4rma]

4. Are you "Correcting the Record"? (nt)

[Baobab]

18. Soon, we cannot correct this

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725

[tazkcmo]

5. Taht doesn't start until January 2017. n/t

[underthematrix]

6. I have never heard one of Bernie's speeches

I get some of his soundbites over at TOD. He's coming to Vallejo tomorrow which is in Solano County which is predicted to go for Clinton, like Napa, which is my county.

[redstateblues]

7. He's still promising things he can't deliver

Just like Trump followers they eat it up.

[Baobab]

31. Do you know why Hillary doesnt promise it?

They have likely already committed it away to somebody else.

Surprise!

You'll see.

Prepare to be amazed at how much can be done in 20 years of negotiations

[Baobab]

35. Mode IV

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf pages 278-279

[Baobab]

65. Half a million dollars or (usually much) more out of each of our pockets- thats how much Hillary

is going to cost us. Plus for many their entire future.

Being able to have a family and children. Being able to afford to drive a car, rent an apartment or eat.

being able to get medicine for your illness or suffering and dying alone.

Thats whats at stake here.

Hillary is hiding a lot more than anybody else here realizes.

Read the link you passed over a bit higher, read pages 278 and 279 -

they are talking about us. We're being asked to pay for the crime that Hillary's friends have been profiting big off of for 20 years.

With our futures.

[Buddyblazon]

48. You guys still don't get it...

It's about trying. We're not afraid of failure. We're afraid of not trying.

But one things for sure, if someone tells me they can't do something, I can 100% assure you...they won't do it.

[Baobab]

58. Think of it like this, half a million dollars -or far more if you have a decent job hey globalize.

in exchange for something that will also hurt you like getting rid of generic drugs that make your reflux medicione cost $20/month instead of $20/pill. In short, under them we are screwed in every possible way. Hillary is really our nation's enemy. There is no other way to put it. Millions of dollars per peron over your lifetime. Young people won even have a shot a jobs, they will go to foreigner who will be paid low wages. Corrupt regimes both here and there will triumph by shipping the middle class away. But for us tere will be nowhere to go. They will have succeeded in making the whole planet their dominion. People who get sick wont be able to afford care unless they are shipped to developing countries or cared for by robots. Literally.

All to preserve the tiered murder system. Buy or die. How many have already died while they kept our healthcare system in crisis while they negotiated for 20 years.

Thats a crime against humanity, human experimentation is a crime against humanity. Especially when you already know it isnt going to work.

[onecaliberal]

8. You do know what Bernie or bust implies right? NO they won't be

"Falling in line". They have chosen to stand on their morals.

[StarTrombone]

9. That's why I asked

I too have never before heard one of his rallies

Tonight I was listening on KfI radio in LA, they were carrying it live, and Conway was commenting on the meaning of BoB

I had never heard of that before either

Sounds like Philly might be a real party

[onecaliberal]

54. I've definitely heard of it, the term is used daily in lots of places here and on Twitter

Why would moral people be with her?

[Baobab]

59. read my zig link #1 thats what/was/is was going on with Hillary's healthcare scam.

the thing they dont tell us is that they gave away our right to have affordable healthcare- or have been TRYING to give it away, for 20 years now. Keeping it in limbo so they could have their crisis to justify bringing in cheap workers or shipping he sick offshore. A fake crisis.

While people died all that time.

Aren't they slick?

[onecaliberal]

60. Evil bastards

[QC]

10. Can anyone explain why so many brand new posters

are all running around here frantically posting the same talking points?

[QC]

39. It's touching, really, how very, very concerned

they all became right around the middle of April.

[Ash_F]

11. There is still a primary going on.

[ContinentalOp]

12. He can't beat Trump at his own game

If it's a contest over which angry white man can seem the most anti-establishment and promise to bring back the most jobs from China and Mexico then I'm afraid Sanders is never going to be able to out-Trump Trump.

[dana_b]

13. at the Carson rally they started chanting "Bernie OR Bust"

before he even came out.

from twitter:
Danny Freeman ?@DannyEFreeman 2h2 hours ago
I've never seen that before- CA crowd starts chanting "Bernie or Bust" repeatedly & holding signs that say the same.
280 retweets 351 likes
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Some will "fall in line", of course, but the BoB movement is growing and many won't.

[Baobab]

66. maybe they work for some group like Koch's "Tea Party"

Divide and conquer.. But the fact is,
Hillary lost my support when I realized she was totally lying about health care.

And learning about that led me to the fact that the US is fighting a global war against public higher education.

[uponit7771]

14. Supporters have the same privileged "Burn the village down to save it" attitude?

[ThePhilosopher04]

16. That's probably what needs to happen

[uponit7771]

17. Bookmarked, screen printed and saved

[ThePhilosopher04]

20. Thank you.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Saved for what?

[Buddyblazon]

49. I'll tell you what....

bookmark it....screen print it...bedazzle it upon a t-shirt...I don't care.

I say this proudly as a 12 year member of DU...










Bern it to the fucking ground.

[lancer78]

52. The Ivory tower

democrats need to be ripped from their decadent nests and see the suffering the average american goes through on a daily basis before they will beginning to change things for the better. A Trump presidency might help with that.

[forjusticethunders]

61. By making the average American suffer MORE

how revolutionary

Now I know how the Mensheviks felt.

[lancer78]

63. Well,

if you really pay attention, Hillary and Trump are not that different on fiscal issues.

[Baobab]

67. Crime against humanity

Lying through your teeth to your own country, while pretending to be a good person, Deliberately denying people healthcare that works so you can spend 20 years in negotiations to pass your treaty to lock away the whole worlds public services down for corporations forever - while half assedly pretending to be trying out your known-broken economics theories which its proven repeatedly - making it cystal clear they don't work, while around two million innocent people die?

How about that?

That is a crime against humanity!

[Baobab]

22. "We think it is worth it."

Couldn't afford the now-$200 drug that used to be $0.25 because of CAFTA?

"It takes a pillage to raze a child"

[uponit7771]

25. so priliveged

[ThePhilosopher04]

15. Because they understand she's not good for the country. A bad candidate is a bad candidate

regardless of party. Hillary is a bad candidate, who puts corporate profits over people. It's pretty simple really.

[anotherproletariat]

19. Because none of them are Democrats. They are trying to build their 'revolt' on the back of an

already established party. Part of that revolution includes a takeover.

[2banon]

24. I love it. Your username is completely contrary to your commentary.

Reminds me of usernames with "left" and "liberal" and all of their commentary smacks of right wing ideology.

hilarious! up is down.

[anotherproletariat]

26. When I first came here, I was a Bernie fan...so thought that was a fitting name.

I will likely change it when I get too many 'hides'. But, a proletariat is just a working person of the common class, so it does still fit.

[2banon]

27. sure thing..

[QC]

36. Have you ever noticed that the more ostentatiously "lefty" the username,

the more conservative the poster?

It's a longstanding DU tradition.

If you see a poster with a name like ViolentRevolutionaryMarxist or the SmashTheBourgeoisie, you're probably looking at a conservative. If he's also got the Che avatar, you can bet the farm on it.

[2banon]

44. Yep, but I guarantee ya, I'm pretty close to being kindred spirits with my avatar :)

she had a hell of a lot more courage than I do, though, '

On your point, yes I see it all the time.. it's pretty weird and end up on ignore, but on a night like this, seeing that one made me choke on my wine..

by the way, love your comment up thread.. at least I think it was this OP.

[QC]

45. Thanks! n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. If Bernie wins the nomination I will gladly "fall in line".

If fall in line means vote for him after the convention.

[jillan]

28. You do understand that people who support Bernie want Bernie to be President & not Hillary?

If they wanted Hillary, they wouldn't be Bernie supporters.

Not that difficult to figure out.

[Nyan]

30. Spare me the faux outrage.

[JPnoodleman]

33. because resentment of the DNC institution has been growing for a decade or more? n/t

[truthseeker1]

37. Because that's who his opponent is

Why is this even a question? The first objective is to win the primary (beat Hillary). Second objective is to beat Trump.

And Bernie supporters are the ones who get accused of being whiny.

[larkrake]

41. Because the DNC has betrayed the people by going repug lite

where Trump is a known cancer

Bernie's wont vote Trump .Those who do vote, it will be for the Dem

[Gomez163]

42. Delusional following

[jpmonk91]

43. I think we are just fed up with all of it

We don't want her to take the party in a more conservative direction. We Bernie supporters won't ever vote for trump. We will be just as harsh to him in the General election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Because of the direction of the microphone

and I wish I were kidding... been at one of his rallies as media. And when he went after Trump in that particular rally they seemed more enthusiastic. I just know the acoustics in that particular place suck... and can be deceiving. They were particularly bad during the Dem Party State Convention, and the setup was similar.

[Sunlei]

47. Because there's no lead in Ca. water and Mr. Trump would fire you if you called him Donald.

you asked? hope this helps you noob

[jeepers]

53. Because if Hillary wins even the nomination

voter suppression and election fraud will be legitimized.

[beachbum bob]

56. if sanders wants trump to be our next president...sanders will splinter us democrats....

I have a hard time believing sanders hates america that much

[B Calm]

57. ??¿? I watched his speech and he was attacking Trump. Spin much?

[StarTrombone]

64. I didn't say he wasn't

There was just a noticeable difference in the crowd reaction when he slammed Hillary and the DNC than when he went after Trump

Much more energy from them when he dissed Mrs Clinton

[Baobab]

62. I cant speak for others But I can tell you this, Hillary is part ofthe biggest scam in human history

Before you go after me, you MUST read the four papers linked in my sig. 1-4 That ill show you that its both healthcare and other ser-vices (everything you cannot drop on your foot) that are involved. 70% of all jobs.

Then PM me and lets talk, I guarantee anybody that you will see what I mean in 15 minutes and that its the biggest story of the decade, bigger than Watergate.

And several Administrations and both parties are in on it.

They are trying to scam what must be 3/4 of the whole world. It involves a massive trade of jobs for markets overseas. (Where they must feel the growth will be, not here. But they are wrong, automation is occurring much faster than they thought it would 20 years ago when it started.)

And lots of people know about it because they have told me so. The media are just terrified to tell the country.
Top NGOs - NGOs whose work you read every day (or at least I do) have told me I'm right, but that they are afraid they would lose their corporate funding.

I have good notes of these kinds of conversations. Ive spoken with hundreds of people about this, including many experts and not a single one has said I was wrong.

Something this large needs to be open and transparent. That has also been said repeatedly by experts. Otherwise we are living in a bad dream of deception and that dream is not a democracy.

Their scheme to trade our jobs away for corporate rights to markets, things they will use to eliminate life saving generic drugs and so on, is wrong.

We cannot vote for the wife of the man who signed us into the W#T#O.

That will be seen as an endorsement of this scheme - one we cannot give it, not just because we don't know about it, because it should be obvious to any scientist (economics and politicians invariably fail to grok this) that given the exponentially accelerating growth in labor-saving technology it is the wrong model for the future, a future where jobs and peoples incomes are rapidly vanishing, and if they have no stellar education they will be destitute within two decades.

So the corporate model for the future that denies people inexpensive things because they are poor, is one which will cost our planet dearly and likely lead to war and its self-destruction.

Its literally a make or break issue for humanity.

There, I said it. This is important, don't ignore it.

I am totally serious

[loyalsister]

68. Because so many Democrats are talking about how great things are

despite the fact that a lot of people are really suffering. We hear about 3% unemployment in my area while there is no mention of the 24% poverty level.

People feel betrayed and reasonably so. As much of a step forward Obamacare is, there are still people who are working more than 1 job and cannot afford healthcare. They don't have a lot hope for how the lives of their kids will progress. Bernie talks about wanting to address those issues. Hillary is effectively saying "I don't think it's worth trying to make your lives significantly better, but I will fight for you."

They have no expectations that Trump will be on their side, but Hillary is supposed to be.