2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYou're SUPPOSED to scream and holler and curse if the democratic process is rigged in plain daylight
When Roberta Lange and her cohorts changed the rules during the 3rd round Nevada convention, they violated the basic tenets of our democratic process -- that process which is there to prevent our implicitly agreed-upon society from devolving into violence.
Under no circumstances were the conventioneers supposed to take such a thing lying down and accept the situation; they were supposed to -- had an obligation to -- express their extreme displeasure with being jerked around by the very people who were trusted to act in good faith.
Doesn't matter if it was a Hillary supporter who did the jerking around and the aggrieved were mostly (but not all) Bernie supporters or if it was the other way around. Citizens who get hosed by the powers-that-be in such a manner should be ashamed if they meekly walk away.
If Hillary (or Bernie) won the delegate count fair and square, and the opposing candidates's supporters got pi$$ed off and raised a ruckus and swore and screamed at the people in charge, then those supporters would have, in that situation, been acting like children. In that particular scenario, the losing candidates' supporters are supposed to accept the situation and politely walk away.
But that's not what happened in this case at all. Hillary didn't win the delegate count "fair and square"; she won thanks to a rule change fait accompli, and, here, the losing candidates' supporters did only what comes naturally -- what should come naturally -- to every red-blooded American citizen who finds themselves in such a ridiculous situation: they loudly and very profanely let their feelings be known.
And after all was said and done, there was no actual "violence" (still waiting for the Magical Thrown Chair video to surface.)
Good for them. It would have been shameful had they not screamed their outrage at the convention being turned into a kangaroo convention.
As far as the calls are concerned: unless and until the ones which threatened death are conclusively linked to genuine Bernie Sanders supporters (and not outside trolls), I hope the Sanders campaign looks into some kind of defamatory lawsuits against individuals both in the media and working for the Clinton campaign who have concluded, without proof, they those particular threatening calls came from Bernie supporters
dchill
(38,484 posts)Or consciences.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)....this is not Bernie's revolution but America's revolution.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)tactics on Hillary. You cannot use cheating to your advantage and then complain when others cheat you.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)Still didn't matter.
Didn't change anything in fact except maybe to turn
a few of Bernies SDs to Hillary.
At this point it doesn't make any difference at all.
He's not going to be the nominee.
That is as clear as glass.
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cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Just sayin'
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)how horrible Bernie Sanders' supporters are. They have to, because they have to detract from what actually happened. They will never admit that it was a rigged convention.
All they've done is made it harder for Hillary if she wins the nomination, because a lot more people hate her and her supporters now. A lot more.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)ridiculous conspiracy theories.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Somebody's ass could have been capped.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Just give Bernie Nevada (not serious)
It still doesn't matter. His incompetent campaign management lost him the election in March. Nevada has zero bearing on the actual results. We still have the stupid idea of caucuses, hopefully somebody is smart enough to change it to a primary for the next election...but probably not.
Let Nevada fix their own election issues, in the larger context of the Democratic primary, it doesn't matter.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)She opened the voting 1/2 hour early, while Sanders supporters were still checking in.
Also, there is absolutely NO WAY to know if those people leaving those messages were really Sanders supporters, or if they were Hillary supporters trying to stir shit up, or if they were people who live in their momma's basements...or if they were Republican operatives and/or paid trolls.
This election is for all the marbles. The ruling class will pull out all stops.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)DLevine
(1,788 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Even if all 8 of the 64 that showed up had been seated, Clinton would have had a majority. That means procedural questions go their way.