Why aren't there any threads about the vote being rigged in Oregon tonight?

[Yavin4]

So, when Bernie wins, it's always a clean win, right?

[grasswire]

1. Oregon's vote is exceptionally clean.

Except for that time four years ago when a Republican worker was altering ballots.

[LoverOfLiberty]

51. But she did get caught

and she did get punished.

[Ed Suspicious]

2. If there was apparent election fraud please point it out. We don't like it no matter who it benefits

[winter is coming]

14. +1. n/t

[uponit7771]

16. :rolleyes:

[libodem]

3. I moon you

Drive by.

[uponit7771]

17. typical Sanders Camp privilege... think someone wants to see their ass

[timmymoff]

59. tell us about privilege again

[bettyellen]

64. And if mooning ain't some brohavior, I don't know what is. Animal House, the sequel.

[uponit7771]

18. Yes, Sanders winning is not as regular as Clinton winning so... there's something wrong right there

[HooptieWagon]

5. Vote by mail, isn't it?

If there was any problems, they haven't been made public yet.

[dchill]

6. Bad choice of state for your screed.

[anotherproletariat]

7. You got it...amazing how that works. Kind of funny that Hillary gets more delegates from the night.

Funny in a good way.

[2banon]

8. Oregon has the cleanest ballot counting process in the country, No Machines. Hand Ballots Only

No computer hacking possible. No magical flipping.

[RBInMaine]

26. Enough of the endless wild-eyed conspiracy theories from the Bernie camp. It's NUTS.

[d_legendary1]

28. Tell that to the people who were disenfranchised in Arizona, New York,

and other states with question marks after their elections. Had these been clean victories no one would be raising a stink.

[Ed Suspicious]

39. Enough of the endless yawn inducing coincidence theories from the Hillary camp. It's incredible.

[reddread]

55. its unAmerican.

[ISUGRADIA]

35. Wrong!

Mail in ballots are not hand counted, ballots are tallied on tabulators like those used in other states.

[hack89]

42. Oregon uses machines to scan and tabulate votes. nt

[Codeine]

45. So very wrong. nt

[highprincipleswork]

9. Uh, maybe because it wasn't? Notice that Alaska was able to do things peacefully too. Funny though

how people get when you try to deny them their basic rights.

So don't do it.

DWS and DNC appear to be spoiling for a fight in Philadelphia, and they will probably get it and then play the usual gestapo/victim game.

Wouldn't it be easier, Hillary, to embrace the Sanders supporters and continue to run your candidacy in alignment with the true Progressive heart and soul of the Democratic Party.

Third Way/DLC/triangulation has never been that successful anyway. History will see it as a bad knee jerk reactionary reaction to the charisma of Ronald Reagan.

The time is ripe. You could be a female FDR, or you can fight with half of your own party for years, or at least until November.

[highprincipleswork]

62. Suit yourself. If you can't see my point, or don't want to, but can only insult, that's your own

dilemma.

Enough of you in the same boat, the Party's dilemma.

Many think it's not worth correcting or possible to correct. That's not my point of view.

But you seem to be one of the ones who think there is no problem here worth correcting. Obviously I strongly disagree.

[Codeine]

46. There is literally nothing she could do

that would get you guys to work with her. Don't try to pretend.

[reddread]

57. if that is true, what does it mean to you?

work with her? she is intractable imperialism at its worst.
what bone is she ready to toss us?
other than Sanders corpse, which she probably isnt quite able to achieve.
Guess we have to rely on her record and vivid memories of her successes.
like Libya, Iraq, Honduras and Haiti.

[highprincipleswork]

63. How do you know that? You folks make so many assumptions, while sitting on your hands and doing

nothing but throw insults in some self-satisfied way.

Not a great way to cross divides or solve any problem, in my experience.

[larkrake]

10. its near impossible to rig mail-in ballots

[ThePhilosopher04]

11. Vote by mail. Harder to rig than machines.

But don't think they wouldn't try.

[AzDar]

12. ...

[riderinthestorm]

13. I hate disenfranchisement regardless of candidate

I'm vociferously on record in support of that.

If Hillary’s votes are not being counted properly, please bring those grievances to light. I will fiercely advocate on her behalf.

[Ed Suspicious]

40. Purist.

:eyeroll:

[Beacool]

15. Oh, that's easy.

Sanders wins = clean election, everything is A-OK

Hillary wins = election is rigged, much crying about closed primaries and voter suppression

[cliffordu]

23. Lol.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Do you think it was?

[AgingAmerican]

21. You are saying Sanders only wins in states where the election isn't rigged?

[AgingAmerican]

60. He win's in states where the election isn't rigged, according to the OP

[TheKentuckian]

24. Sanders does better without all the rigging and Oregon is the toughest to rig in the nation?

That said, maybe there are shenanigans here too and Sanders votes are being under counted in some way.

This is the right wing argument that they don't cheat because sometimes Democrats win so how could it be? Winning by too big a margin for the difference cheating can make to be enough without killing the golden goose and since when pushed the Turd Way types say the same shit, I see no reason why this occasion should be looked at differently.

In fact, the traits shared between the "pragmatists" and the open right wing have proven to be extreme that my first inclination is to suspect this was brought up as a kind of sour grapes projection, just pissed that all that cheating didn't carry the day though still effective because delegates are split. Certainly fits in with the narrative building for the Sanders collapse and pushing polls the had him down to like 38%.

Best for folks in Oregon to assume foul play despite the win and get busy figuring out what the hell the sleaze balls did and how.

Maybe nothing is wrong but if they are talking they probably did something so a double check is automatically in order.

[silvershadow]

25. Rigged a statewide mail-in? That would really be something. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

47. She just lost a big, honest and very closed Democratic Primary.

Note the silence among the 'He can't win an closed primary' crowd. That's been their mantra for days, weeks. She also lost Oregon in 2008. She got more votes back then than she did yesterday. So it goes.

[merrily]

27. Did you copy RBI Maine or did s/he copy you? Either way, it's bs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1990525

[BillZBubb]

53. Your racist post is noted.

[TCJ70]

30. Do you have reason to believe it was? n/t

[timmymoff]

36. 31 counties in KY

and still could only win by 2000. Had to outspend sanders 2-1 . Says a ton about " the most vetted candidate in history. "

[workinclasszero]

37. Always

Vote rigging only happens in states Hillary wins of course!

Its magic...

[BillZBubb]

56. Hey brainiac, any indication of voter fraud in Oregon?

If so, point it out. Where Bernie has complained about irregularities, there has been plenty of documentation to back that up.

It's not magic, it's something called factual evidence, something Hillary supporters can't seem to comprehend.

[pinebox]

38. If you got something post it

Everything should be looked at if there's claims.

[Skwmom]

41. No. The vote was never verified, we know electronic vote counting machines are hackable, etc.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. That's not really the case, Oregon uses random, running recounts so the machines are constantly

checked with hand counts and vice versa. Protocols for checking the count are the entire key to getting a proper count no matter what your primary counting method is. If you are doing a hand count, you need to verify that with machine counts, and vice versa.
Hand counting is the single least verifiable method, humans are capable of all sorts of clever maleficence. During my time in Oregon, the only person caught cheating a vote count was a person doing a hand count. She got caught because of protocols such as the ones I describe. Republican, as if that needs mention.

Every single method of counting votes can potentially be rigged. For generations, fixing the hand counts was the only method available, and it happened all the time.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. Oregon has outstanding election systems that are very different from most of the country and

which function very well. Also, Yavin4, Oregon is a closed Primary, so we don't get to hear from Camp Clinton about open primaries being the devil. She lost a closed Democratic Primary in the State with the cleanest election systems. She lost 2008 here too, but she got even fewer votes this time.

[Sancho]

49. Some Oregon ballots were stolen and discarded...

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/southern-oregon/klamath-county-ballot-box-stolen-votes-thrown-in-dumpster/199225307

There is no fool-proof system. For all we know, the "majority" (Bernie supporters) were tossing likely Hillary ballots.

It doesn't matter - Hillary has won easily.

[ViseGrip]

52. Mostly mail, they'll never have backups at polling places. No caging either once they mail a ballot!

[riversedge]

58. It is the way of the Sanders camp: He loses-he pounts, sues says it rigged. He wins-all is OK

[Time for change]

61. It probably WAS rigged

In Hillary's favor. We'll see when the exit polls come out.