Talking Points Memo Josh Marshall loses his s**t over Bernie Sanders.

[modestybl]

I'm a longtime reader (since 2003) of TPM - it has been my go-to place for intelligent commentary and political insight. However, reading the top articles tonight, I have to say I am utterly appalled by the attitude and allegations by the normally level headed edit, Josh Marshall. Here are the headlines tonight:

It Comes From the Very Top
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/it-comes-from-the-very-top
(this accuses Sanders of "toxicity" - for daring to challenge HRC?)

Grandiosity As Addictive As Smack
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/grandiosity-as-addictive-as-smack
(accuses Sanders, the most honest politician out there, of lying to us, his supporters)

Big Picture
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/big-picture--5
(essentially equating a spirited fight to the convention as "going apeshit&quot

Sanders Throws Down the Gauntlet
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sanders-throws-down-the-gauntlet
(claiming Sanders is out of line calling for the Democratic Party to respect his supporters)

Team Sanders is Enabling This...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/team-sanders-is-enabling-this
(completely buys into the NV Dem Party lies about the violence of Sanders supporters)

In short, Josh Marshall lost all journalistic credibility tonight. He is feeding into a narrative that started with the "Bernie Bros." meme (a nasty, dirty politics-style narrative, that echoed the "Obama boys" slur the Clinton campaign employed in 2008) and continues with a story line that the most principled, liberal lawmaker in D.C. was somehow racist, sexist and the liberal version of a Donald Trump.

We have a serious rift in the Democratic Party: those who think that the big money is okay, and those who think it has a corrosive, corrupting influence on our political system. Single payer, $15 minimum wage, 100% employment, massive infrastructure WPA-style program, increasing SS benefits, reasonable gun safety laws, etc. - all are supported by large majorities nationally - yet are never a priority of the D.C. political class, regardless of who is in charge.

HRC has "evolved" on many issues, including Single Payer. Except for the odd social issue, it has all been rightward - toward what her donor classes prefer. These people do not "donate", they invest. And from war to preservation of the big banks, those investments have paid off well. To not bring this up, or to be accused of lying, disruption, inciting violence, racism, sexism, by confronting this fundamental problem with our Party is to do us a grave disservice.

Bernie Sanders isn't in this for personal aggrandizement, despite Marshall's inexcusible headline. He sees where the party has drifted, and he wants to bring it back to a majority party... via a resurgence of an FDR coalition. Sanders is a principled politician amid a sea of compromised actors, and the insider D.C. crowd has a hard time dealing with that.

And some simply lose their minds over it.

[antigop]

1. imo, Josh sold out a long time ago. nt

[Hortensis]

17. You guys might wonder about a "sinking ship" syndrome.

First top-level people left, now other high-level people are leaking "it's Sanders' doing, not ours" information to the press.

Given the Sanders Campaign-planned disruption of the convention in Nevada, a presage to possibly similar in California and definitely worse at the National Convention, it now seems very likely that Sanders' plans are the big reason those people got out. They all, after all, have reputations to protect and will be needing jobs after this gig folds. A sensible desire to avoid the risk of criminal charges (for instance, should serious injuries occur or someone decide to prosecute election tampering) could also be a factor.

You know, it is really about about using our government to solve our problems, right? Sanders' large goals for immediate change are inspiring, but he is only one of many in the Democratic Party who are working to restore prosperity to America.

[modestybl]

60. Really? The Sanders campaign-planned? Are you kidding?

Did the Sanders campaign plan to have 64 of their delegates disqualified? Did the Sanders campaign decide on voice votes (that were ignored) to change procedure?

I will be a delegate to the National Convention for Bernie Sanders, and I am steeling myself for 3 days of non-stop abuse and threats from HRC supporters. There is a word for their accusations- it's called "projection".

[Hortensis]

65. Imo, that is a dreadful attitude to take to

the Democratic National Convention. To put it mildly. What are you going there to achieve? WHAT is Sanders going to have you do, for WHAT purpose, and WHY? You won't know because it will be kept secret, and given what he's been up to already you really, really should.

Before you head out, you might spend a little thinking about why YOU are going and what YOU want to achieve. And if you draw a blank, stay home.

If you do go and find yourself chanting to drown the proceedings out like the Nevada people you can leave. Like a person with principles. You can leave behind the towel you were going to take to protect you from being sprayed with tear gas from the police guarding the stage. If you're not there threatening bodily harm to anyone you won't need it.

And I recommend smiling and saying thank you when instead of abuse and threats you're told "welcome" and where the other bathrooms are.

[Baobab]

77. Hillary CAN NEVER SUPPORT SINGLE PAYER- She is 100% pro-insurance and drug companies 0% single payer

She helped confuse the country three times starting in 1993-1994- maybe two million people have died because unnecessarily of her obfuscation of GATS and lock in, regulatory lock in /paralysis caused by these little known services trade deals. Public education too.

[FlatBaroque]

18. I am surprised any progressive reads that fool.

I figured out his turd way schtick after reading about three of his articles.

[msongs]

2. wow he's acting like TYT lol nt

[zazen]

3. yeah, I dropped him this summer (and posted about it) because of the anti-Sanders bias

I'm glad I no longer have that site bookmarked or ever visit there. That would have really angered me.

Their vitriol is bizarre, really, and speaks volumes about their real (neoliberal ethics). It's inconceivable to me how any Democrat worthy of the name could get that worked up about wanting to continue to privatize the social safety net--or more truthfully, get worked up because they're finally being challenged regularly on their corporatist values.

[antigop]

10. if I were to guess...he benefits from the status quo.

Didn't his wife to go Harvard law school?

I doubt they have to worry about their next meal.

It's sad, though.

He and his family won't be protected from climate change.

[QC]

66. You know, that's been a constant theme in this campaign--

affluent, privileged people screaming at poorer, less privileged people about the need for them to check their privilege.

Demanding that people whose lives and communities were destroyed by things like NAFTA and endless wars vote for those who promise more NAFTAs and endless wars is a pretty good example of privilege, I think.

[mmonk]

4. Well done.

[merrily]

5. No worries. No matter how much of it he loses, he's still full of it.

[apcalc]

6. He doesn't agree with you.

The Sanders' campaign has got to establish a different narrative , and fast. Certain elements within are getting a toxic reputation.

All it has worked for will be for naught.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. I find it interesting that many persons new to DU spread that unsupported gossip and

characterization. I think some folks are in the full time smearing game, attempting to create a 'reputation'. It's the politics of personal destruction and Hillary's crowd needs to cut it out.

[modestybl]

98. The "toxic reputation" in this instance has come from lies about violence...

... which never happened. But if the HRC really think she'll be the nom, they may want to think of how they'll win in November without Sanders supporters...

[Demsrule86]

7. Bernie Sanders has lost

And is turning out to be spoiler...and is attempting to throw the election to Trump clearly... bitter man who is now filled with hatred for the party and voters who denied him the presidency.

[merrily]

8. Please stop talking nonsense. A primary candidate is not a spoiler, ffs.

[Armstead]

33. Don't bother

[Demsrule86]

46. He is now

She will be the nominee...he continues to attack her and the party even though he can't win...that is a spoiler...same as Nadar...good thing he can't get on the ballots in the states anymore...he might run as an independent...he is bitter and angry because he lost.

[modestybl]

61. She is not the nominee yet...

...and with 2 FBI investigations, email server and Clinton Foundation, I wouldn't get cocky. The problem is uniting the Party isn't enough. Regular Dems are going to vote for the nominee regardless of the shouting and name-calling from HRC's most ardent supporters. But that is only ~ 29% of the voting population. HRC gets virtually no support from Independents (~ 42% of voters), and if, as nominee, she decides to pivot hard right to chase after disaffected Repub voters, she will discourage al lot of Dem-leaning voters, particularly the young.

HRC ain't Bill. Even Bill isn't the Bill he used to be...

[Demsrule86]

71. She is the nominee.

And the faux investigation dragged out by GOP operatives in the FBI is almost over...they have nothing.

[neverforget]

83. So the FBI is an arm of the GOP?

I learn something new everyday here from Hillary's DU supporters.

[modestybl]

9. You are clueless...

This is about far more than a nomination. We have a rift in the Dem Party and it is real. We can have a "unified" party, if we keep shrinking it down to people who would mindlessly vote Democratic, regardless of who the candidates are. But Sanders wants to grow the party, and we need to confront the fundamental problem of money in our politics.

... Sanders was speaking to a crowd of well over 20,000 tonight... people are hungry for this kind of message, and they don't care about the horse race. If HRC becomes the nominee, and decides to ignore these people, then good luck with just the 29% (and shrinking) of voters who identify as Dems this fall against Trump.

[chwaliszewski]

14. But she doesn't need us...

[Jitter65]

31. Hateful, angry people are "hungry" for Trumps message too. nt

[Armstead]

34. Oh the irony of some posters....

[QC]

74. A poster with 7 hides complaining about hateful and angry people!

[Demsrule86]

45. If they were that hungry

they would have voted for him. The point is Hillary is the nominee...no ifs...she won.

[mac56]

68. Nice unity building.

Please proceed.

[anotherproletariat]

57. Yes. This can't be said enough. The BSers are becoming increasingly paranoid.

They think that everyone is suddenly turning against them, when in reality the media is starting to wake up to the reality of Sanders abuse of the system.

[mrdmk]

75. BSers, increasingly paranoid, abuse of the system, get real ON IGNORE

[NanceGreggs]

81. When this is over ...

... I'm going to miss the creativity behind the conspiracy theories that get spawned here every time Bernie loses a contest, or someone questions him or his ideas - and now the meme that the media is "out to get Bernie" because they're finally starting to look behind the curtain.

The CTs weren't all great works of fiction - some were more imaginative than others. But regardless of content, you could count on them to arrive right on time.

[2banon]

80. Is this your idea of "Kindness and Love" ?

I see it in your sig line, and sometimes i wonder if you meant it as a sarcasm thingy just I didn't get.

[Eric J in MN]

11. Around the time of the NY primary

...Joshua Micah Marshall was obnoxious towards Sanders supporters on Twitter but even-handed on TPM.

I guess he liked being obnoxious on Twitter so much that he's now doing it at TPM, too.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Josh is calling it as it is

The people who are losing their shit are those who can't come to terms with basic math and the reality that it represents.

[modestybl]

13. The "basic math" is that HRC won't have the necessary delegates until the convention

... and a lot can happen in the more than two month interim. There could be an unpleasant surprise from either of the two FBI investigations concerning HRC. Or there could be a blow-out in California for Bernie the size of Washington State.

It is called a Primary, and it should go on until everyone can participate. But if you want to shrink the Party ahead of the fall election, then by all means alienate the progressives and everyone under 45. See where 29% of the voters gets you in a general election.

[chwaliszewski]

15. Those are merely hypothetical facts you're pointing out...

[BeyondGeography]

16. No one has called for Bernie to quit, not HRC, not Reid, not even DWS

That doesn't change the fact that he will lose. And when he loses it will be because millions more people voted for his opponent. If some of his supporters choose to stay home in November, it won't be the fault of the candidate who had the temerity to beat him. It won't be Bernie's fault either, because he will endorse Clinton and turn his fire on Trump. It will be their own dumbass choice, and it won't be the first election they've sat out either.

[modestybl]

19. If HRC is the nomination, it is up to her to persuade people...

... that they should vote for her. Obama was able to bring people together. HRC tends to rub people the wrong way, and her arrogance and general cluelessness is to blame. It won't be up to Bernie to do this... he will continue his fight for social justice, but if people find the candidate repulsive, no amount of persuasion from anyone else can help her.

[BeyondGeography]

20. Many people who swear up and down right now that they won't vote for her

will have no trouble doing so in November. Primaries create raw feelings but it's always the same; outside of an obstinate few, the emotion dissipates in the face of the choice that has to be made in November. The candidates are grownups and they will do the right thing. Bernie has repeatedly said he will do everything he can to defeat Donald Trump. The strength of Bernie's candidacy will compel HRC to choose a running mate that will help his base to move forward in the GE. There will be dead-enders, but they won't make a difference.

[modestybl]

21. I'm sure the smart people in the HRC campaign will consider a progressive VP...

... they certainly can't ignore the crowds that Sanders is still generating.

[Cosmocat]

28. IDK

I agree with you in terms of what Bernie will do, but from day one his critical mass of supporters have a very strong republican like tone to them, nasty and always the victim while doing what they ball about being the victim of.

This is not 08, and his supporters are not BHOs supporters. BHO supporters were MUCH more confident and focused on BHO and a positive message. From day one, Bernie's support has had this NASTY little brother element that immediately tripped into republican style and text attacks on Hillary.

Hillary clearly was sore about losing, but while there was some elements that as you highlighted occurs in any primary, that initially had the position of not supporting BHO in the general, that element was not even remotely as large OR virulent as the Bernie supporters are.

Hillary is far was an across the board liberal, and is absolutely too tight with big money. But, the Bernistas has gone full Fox News hate on her. She has the odd position of being hated as the most liberal POS satan has spawned from the republican party while being vilified as a republican by the hard left elements of her own party, and in reality mostly splitting the difference.

All along I have said she faced a much tougher challenge bringing her party in line with her than the Donald would. Rs are obedient, placid pods for all their histrionics. They don't use the quip about herding cats for Ds for nothing.

I think Hillary has always been in a position where she had to pick a fairly dynamic progressive as VP, she can't go Uncle Joe like BHO did.

But, it is reaching the point where she might have seriously consider asking Bernie to be on the ticket with her.

[BeyondGeography]

32. Well said

There are differences, starting with the protagonist. I was all-in for Obama from the get-go in 07-08 so I know what it's like to root against and dislike her. I do think she has mellowed just enough make larger-minded choices this time around. For one thing, she is holding fire because she knows exactly what Bernie is going through. The 2008 Hillary would have been shooting the wounded right now.

But these are different times with different people involved so your caution is well-founded. A portion of Bernie's base is more anti-establishment than anti-Republican, but that's where he comes in. Nobody in the Democratic Party is better at filleting Republicans than Bernie. As a surrogate, he will clear up a lot of confusion among his voters about the proper course in November, even moreso if he were the running mate, but that's not in the cards for a lot of good reasons. She needs a powerhouse campaigner on the ticket, not an able #2, and more Bill, who probably thinks he is all she needs, is not the answer.

[Cosmocat]

40. Yeah

I agree Bernie will do his part, and part of why I voted for him was that he will go straight at Rs with no waffling around, and is so effective because he is so straight forward about it and never flinches from his positions.

Man, does the D party need more of that!

While I think he will do his part, it is going to be hard for a lot of the Bernistas to walk away from the republican like deranged hatred they have ginned up for Hill.

I am not saying he should get out, but boy, it is not awesome that in about a three week period Trump went from possibly having his nomination taken at the convention that kind of mess to the pods dutifully getting behind him, while the Bernistas are more blood thirsty than ever.

[Armstead]

37. You have a short memory

The Clinton campaign was every bit as aggressive towards Obama as Sanders is being at this point in the campaign.

The tone of that campaign was also divisive and bitter.

Neither Obama nor Sanders have a reputation of being nasty campaigners. (Strong is different than nasty.) But they were portrayed as that by the Clinton campaign.

The Clinton campaign is the common denominator.

[Cosmocat]

41. Yeah

Hillary is to blame for the Bernistas going republican deranged over her, like BHO is to blame for all of the race baiting and vitriol spewed at him over the last seven years ...

[Armstead]

42. No...it's not that simple

[modestybl]

62. The "derangement" has come primarily from HRC supporters..

... who can't deal with a large portion of the primary Dem voters not "bowing their heads" until the last vote is cast. They can't argue from policy, they get threatened by any disagreement (I have lost friends over this). And that comes from their insecurity about their flawed candidate.

[Cosmocat]

85. Yeah

making my point ...

You had nothing to do with the "lost friendships" it is all just the vile Hillary.

No similarity to conservatives there.

[modestybl]

92. They literally felt betrayed that I supported Bernie...

...but then, these may not have been real friends after all... sad..

[Cosmocat]

99. Not my experience at all

I voted Bernie, and everyone knows it.

Not a single hillary voter had an issue with it.

[modestybl]

54. This is not 2008, and no, Sanders supporters aren't "Republican-like"

... the Republican political phase space has been completely filled by HRC and her neoliberal, neocon policies. The hate is coming from the HRC side, which from the start could NOT argue on policy, but instead used the Karl Rovian tactics of smearing the most liberal, feminist, civil liberties-minded, anti-war faction of the political population as sexists, racists, and now, violent.

This "Bernie Bros" meme from the start echoed the "Obama boys" smear tactics the Clinton campaign employed in 2008.

If HRC, the most politically tone-deaf creature in the political sphere, is "forced" to chose a progressive VP, the Sanders campaign will have done her a tremendous service - tho she may be too obtuse to appreciate it, I'm sure there are some smart people on her staff that do.

[Cosmocat]

84. Yeah

You aren't all that far off relative to Hillary's positions.

I voted Bernie as I knew I would for about a year, but dealing with Bernistas is like dealing with the moron conservatives I have to deal with day in and day out, at the gym, etc.

Mean spirited, but always the poor victim.

[modestybl]

93. "Bernistas"?? You just made my point.

If you can't argue without name-calling, you are taking the Hannity-Limbaugh-Rove route...

[uponit7771]

72. +1

[Broward]

22. Last time I read Marshall he was an establishment hack.

Looks like nothing has changed.

[modestybl]

95. Nice. Foul language really makes your point...

[yardwork]

24. Maybe you should pause and think about this.

[Maedhros]

52. Maybe you should be on my ignore list.

/bye.

[Number23]

82. It's funny how you clearly don't see that you're doing the folks you put on ignore a huge favor.

[mythology]

25. Yet another example of how not fawning over Sanders

is claimed to be proof of bias.

[modestybl]

55. Wrong. This is about the lies coming from the HRC campaign.

At least Rachel had the decency to invite a young, pleasant Sanders delegate at the NV convention to refute Johns Ralston's lies in front of him on her show last night. He had no response.

[modestybl]

97. Bad journalism and getting the facts wrong indicate bias...

[m-lekktor]

26. I always thought he was an establishment hack though I read him anyway. nt

[Larkspur]

27. josh has always been a pro-establishment blogger

I always took what he said with a grain of salt.

[Jitter65]

29. "he (Bernie) sees where the party has drifted..."

The "party" didn't drift without the will of most of the people who are true Democrats.
Do you really think that the nation is mostly left-socialist leaning? Get a grip. That's why we have a resurgent GOP and an idiot GOP candidate facing us in November. Bernie and his most rabid followers are delusional at best and just plain hateful at worst. Rather that building of the "good" in being able to work for the benefit of the entire nation, they seek to demolish the entire party going after what they believe to be the "perfect." Meanwhile, the GOP is uniting around a fool at best and an evil fascist at worse. Hillary is neither and we won't be able to unite behind her because of the Bernie "revolution."

[Armstead]

43. Define "left-wing socialist leaning"

Was Medicare "left wing socialism" that was a bad thing? Medicaid? Social Security? Welfare? Free (tax funded) public education?

All of those would be dismissed as "left wing radical socialism by the definition the Establishment Democratic Party uses today. Ponies. Unicorns. Marxist takeovers.

And this by a faction of Democrats who have pushed for conservative policies like deregulation, privitization, shrink-the-public-sector "fiscal restraint....etc.

It's sad when the Kool Aid of the Corporate State and Wall St. Enablers is considered the opposition to the GOP.

[modestybl]

59. Wrong. The politicians have done the bidding of DONORs not VOTERs...

... and that's the problem. Single Payer, SS expansion, WPA-style infrastructure program, sensible gun safety laws... all of these are supported by 60-80% or more of the population (not just Dems). But the politicians aren't listening to voters. They are listening to the donors. They let lobbyists right the laws for them.

But if you like the system as is, crushing the middle class, you vote for HRC...

[Jitter65]

30. Josh NAILED IT!!

Bernie's supporters have been swept up in his resentment and hostility. Early on I admired his spokespeople for being so articulate about their vision...now they are just being articulate about his vitriol. Sad to see Nina and Ed and so many whom I admired go down this path.

[modestybl]

70. What vitriol? Sanders confronts the corrosive influence of money...

... something that is LONG overdue to be discussed... and the reason why many feel not represented, and therefore hopeless about anything changing.

You interpret wrongly, and simply don't get why a principled politician would put himself through this wringer.

[jfern]

35. Probably getting paid by Correct The Record. They are very good at poisoning the well.

[Zynx]

36. Have you ever considered that someone who makes as many enemies as Sanders might have a

temperament problem? There are a lot of people who were, until now, heroes of the left who don't support him and have become increasingly concerned about the way he is behaving.

It's I tell my sister. When all of your friends are abandoning you, it's usually not them. It's you.

[modestybl]

47. No... his only "enemies" are vested interests that are threatened ...

... by someone unapologetically advocating for the poor, the working and middle classes, discriminated persons of all sorts.

He has attacked the money in politics head on... and the rats have all been disturbed.

[pdsimdars]

38. This election is very revealing. It is showing people for who they really are.

I never thought Rachel Maddow would sell out. But she's gone. And those congressmen who were in the civil rights movement throwing Bernie under the bus. That was a SHOCK!!!
But when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
And Stephanie Miller. . . geez. I can't stand to listen to her show any more.

[modestybl]

48. Rachel can't piss off her Comcast bosses...

... so she has to follow the herd regarding Bernie Sanders. Tho to her credit, she did have a young Sanders NV delegate refute the lies that John Ralston had just repeated on her show last night. He couldn't say anything more.

[pdsimdars]

64. Cenk, Ed Shultz, and others kept their integrity and left. I don't believe they are holding her

hostage. It is her choice.

[bettyellen]

87. Didn't Cenk get shit canned for low ratings?

[Zynx]

50. Have you ever considered that the problem might be Bernie?

His approach, temperament, and policy positions have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Virtually everyone from my public policy program cohort has united against him and none of us are loaded or beholden to the wealthy. We're all public servants and academics. We're deeply concerned about a lot of what is going on with the Sanders side.

[modestybl]

58. Bernie Sanders IS the problem ... for a corrupt political system

... so everyone from your academic quiting bee is united against him... that is not universally shared. Literally hundreds of economists and foreign policy specialists have come out in support of Sanders. They mostly the people who got the policy right years before disaster struck.

I would be listening to Joseph Stieglitz, not Gary Gensler (former Goldman Sachs, person from WJC's admin that snuck the repeal of Glass Steagall into a must-pass spending bill at the last hour...)

[G_j]

94. +100

[randome]

39. Every time a journalist or publication is at odds with the opinions of some here...

...they have "sold out". If you admire Marshall as much as I do, you would at least take his observations and opinions as something to consider. But no, now he's become part of the conspiracy to destroy Sanders. Good grief.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[modestybl]

69. Not comspiracy, I'm addressing his over-the-top posts...

... Five in a row, that exhibit a temperament more in line with Free Republic or NewsMax than a real journalistic outlet. What was more damning was that he didn't get the facts straight (i.e., no thrown chairs, no violence, but 58 Bernie delegates summarily deprived of their credentials, with no chance to correct the mistakes), and instead amplified a false narrative of Sanders supporters being violent.

That is irresponsible and unprofessional. He doesn't like Sanders...he is comfortable with the status quo (and his access to its gatekeepers), so he goes in for the smear.

[randome]

73. Maybe he doesn't like Sanders simply because he doesn't like Sanders.

Fine, if his articles are over-the-top, but please stop assigning nefarious motives to everyone who disagrees with you. "Comfortable with the status quo?" How the hell would you know that? You're just countering what you see as a 'smear' with another smear.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[CobaltBlue]

44. modestybl—2016 has been a sellout year from the “left” pundits.

[modestybl]

53. Comcast couldn't deal with Ed or Melissa... Rachel is on probation

... which is why she is no longer behaving like a responsible journalist.

[CobaltBlue]

88. modestybl—Ratings. Is that why Rachel Maddow is still on MSNBC?

Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

[modestybl]

89. "Morning Joe" has consistently low ratings...

... Ed Schultz always had better ratings, but they love Congressman Dead Intern...

[Capt. Obvious]

49. Ctrl+F

Search for: Shill
Zero results.


Search for: Hack
Four results.

[Skwmom]

56. They must be offering some big money. But hey, it's really pocket change for the billionaires.

[Bill USA]

63. thanks for the links. good articles

[felix_numinous]

67. Another Faux Progressive

to add to the pile.

[2banon]

76. Outstanding Summation, Very Well Said

[The_Casual_Observer]

78. Josh not buying into bernie being the untouchable lone voice of the doomed?

[modestybl]

86. It wasn't his opinion, it was his complete lack of journalistic integrity...

... he lost his bearings on a series of ranting articles, based on a story whose facts he didn't get right.

[elleng]

79. Ditto.

Used to read Marshall; haven't in a while.

[stevenleser]

90. Marshall is right. He's still level headed. You just don't want to hear it. nt

[modestybl]

91. Have you read the above links?

He calls Sanders a liar. He accuses Sanders of inciting violence. Factually wrong on both counts. He basically calls Sanders a destructive for running a campaign. Sanders's nomination was always improbable - but not impossible. Sanders has been polling consistently better for months than HRC against all Repubs, notably Trump. and has a legitimate case to make at the convention.

Josh obviously supports HRC, but he has let that support slip into bad journalism. I am astonished at what sore, bitter "winners" HRC supporters are. If they think Bernie has no chance, then they've won... but let California and Jersey and N Mexico and the Dakotas vote... this should be cruise time, but something tells me they think that Clinton can lose - even at this late point.

If HRC is the nom, the only way she is going to win in November is if all the Sanders people (including significant numbers of independents) are on board. That will not happen if she decides to pivot to the right in order to court Repub votes.

And then there are those FBI investigations...

[stevenleser]

96. It's all either stuff I knew and have said, or suspected.

It's good he is calling it out. We're not going to be held hostage to speaking out because you guys threaten not to vote for Hillary. That's up to you.