If Hillary is such a strong candidate...

[Chasstev365]

Why doesn't she put Bernie away? Even with the Democratic Party machinery clearly stacked in her favor, she can't score a knockout victory. It's time to acknowledge that she's not a very good candidate and President Trump is a scary possibility. We scoffed at the idea of President Ronald Reagan in 1980.

[Tavarious Jackson]

1. Knock out victory was months ago

Bernie's ego hasn't got the memo

[Chasstev365]

12. what reality do you live in?

[Tavarious Jackson]

16. Are you serious?

Where is his path to win? He has NONE. NOT one.

[Broward]

46. That one lives under a bridge.

[timmymoff]

2. Nor has his supporters

the ones Hillary will need to win. uh-oh.

[Tavarious Jackson]

8. Is that a threat?

People are tired of that meme. I think it's time to boot him out. He has already alienated his supporters from us anyway. Damage is done. Boot him out, I say.

[timmymoff]

11. we do not seek your permission

again, we are tired of the wall st / war machine meme known as the seldom right wing of the democratic party.

[Tavarious Jackson]

14. Too bad your guy has NO control since he lost

so.. what is he going to do?

[Tavarious Jackson]

18. How?

[timmymoff]

23. I'm sorry..

is this your first election or did they drop civics in high school?

[Tavarious Jackson]

26. Nope.

He has no path to the nomination and his anti DNC rhetoric has lost him bargaining power.

[timmymoff]

30. We are his bargaining power

we are his campaign finance. we are his mobilization efforts. enjoy November without us, if that's the path you choose.

[Tavarious Jackson]

34. He and you have already chosen that

said it 100 times. So what should we do? Give up the nomination of Hillary? No. Get on board with his agenda? We mostly already are. I don't know what he wants. Whatever it is, his chance has passed. IMO

[timmymoff]

38. Howwould someone with only 58 posts know what i said

100s of times? I kind of smell a rat don't I?

[Tavarious Jackson]

52. I looked at your transparency page.

[timmymoff]

53. cool

you will see I have no use for nonsense. You will see I do not sugar coat shit regardless of the result. I'm just not into her. "it's you, not me , Hillary"

[Tavarious Jackson]

54. OK. So why should I worry about unity with you?

[timmymoff]

55. You shouldn't

DWS has already said she wasn't. And Hillary sought the money of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz donors, but never fear, it's really an act and she will fight for us. In the mean time can I show you a bridge I've been trying to sell for some time? Be consistent , like those you support, seek a farther right policy to correct our mistakes. It should do wonders for bringing people to the tent.

[mythology]

37. In all sincerity, saying she has cloven hooves should get you banned

I'll have to remember this ugly post the next time I hear some Sanders supporter whining about how Clinton supporters (and by that I mean anybody who doesn't fawn over Sanders) are.

You just implied that she's either an animal or the devil. Either should be unacceptable. And yet not one Sanders supporter has called you out on this bullshit.

[chwaliszewski]

44. Maybe we haven't seen it yet.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I agree, it's uncalled for.

[timmymoff]

45. I self- deleted it so your sensibilities aren't hurt

she is a great candidate. I especially love the fracking part, but a close second is the awesome job she showed us with her regime change policies. Not knowing how to stand on keystone until President Obama acted showed us true leadership. and nobody, and I mean nbody can flip flop with the effectiveness of Her Corporate Majesty. She has learned a lot from the sniper fire she took to the trade policies she once spoke highly of, like NAFTA and TPP. We should all be proud of our very consistent Goldwater Girl. Have a good day.

[laserhaas]

66. Hillarians tend to be blind to truths

Chances are..all the see of this posting...is a blank page

[Beowulf]

64. That's precisely your problem.

If he has truly lost, he doesn't need you, but you need him. Keep treating him and his followers like shit. You are so accustomed to being able to ignore the progressive wing of the party without consequence that you are clueless in how to engage an energized left constructively. So you follow your instincts and attempt to crush the very people you need in the GE. It's not lost on us that you can be chummy with Kissinger and W and have no qualms triangulating with the GOP, but your only response to an energized left is the jack boot.

The movement will live on past this election. You have a moment of truth. Welcome us or continue to abuse us.

[laserhaas]

67. And the energy of U.S.seeing Bernie, yesterday, at Cal-State

was wonderful.

Bernie's energy ..was awesome

Especially when he learned of the Oregon win.

[center]

[LiberalElite]

20. Another dispatch

from The Twilight Zone. Just curious - how much do they pay you? You're brand new here.

[laserhaas]

65. Bernie at Cal-State ...yesterday...looked great to me

Especially when he announced winning Oregon

[boston bean]

3. Bernie and the BSers can't grip reality long enough to realize it was over for Bernie Super Tuesday.

[auntpurl]

4. She HAS put him away.

She's winning by more than Obama EVER was. She has more delegates AND more popular votes (which Obama didn't have) and she's got the support of the entire Democratic congress and will have President Obama by her side stumping.

With proportional allocation NO ONE can score a knockout victory. The Repubs have winner take all in a bunch of their states. That makes it a lot easier to declare a winner earlier.

Hillary is in an extremely strong position going into the convention and the GE. The primary is finished. The last shot Bernie had for a blowout was Oregon. Nevada was very bad for him. This is over.

[StayFrosty]

5. He has been put away

Sanders and his supporters are living in another reality

Sanders has no path towards a nomination that doesn't include outright stealing the nomination from Hillary

Fucking ironic

[firebrand80]

6. Because we have proportional delegate allocation

The same system that makes it difficult for Bernie to catch up also allows him to pretend it's still close.

If it were winner take all, this would have been officially over a month ago

[auntpurl]

9. Two months ago, but I agree.

[Jitter65]

7. Because Bernie is weakening her not beating her. nt

[timmymoff]

22. How can she be weakened by bernie,

she's been vetted, she is tough, it's her turn. he isn't weakening her, she is weakening her, as we warned you countless times.

[LiberalFighter]

10. How is it stacked in her favor?

The rules aren't the same as they are for the Republican Party. If they were Clinton would had wrapped up the nomination with Pennsylvania's votes and with Kentucky she would had received the majority without automatic delegates included.

[uponit7771]

19. It sounds like they're saying since Sanders isn't black so that's why the game is rigged or somethin

... cause Hillary had all the advantages in 08 and got beat.

I think she might have had even more votes...

Sanders sounds silly

[timmymoff]

57. Only way she had more votes was because she entered

Michigan and tried to have them counted knowing they were being penalized. You remember that c'mon man. revisionist history is cute but not as cute as putting words in other people's mouths.

[uponit7771]

58. I don't remember her doing that at all, but either way she was a lot closer to Obama in votes

.... than Sanders is now.

[timmymoff]

59. You don't?

I bet you don't remember her bringing jeremiah wright into the mix either. Or how she tried to corner Obama on gun issues, he had to call her Annie Oakley. There is a ton of forgetfulness in Camp Weathervane it seems.

[uponit7771]

60. She didn't minimize or foment violence in 08, she lost and worked with Obama... the rest was easy

... to forget or not pay attention to seeing she because his SoS and did a damn good job

[timmymoff]

61. the people of Iraq, Syria, and Libya

would disagree. Can you provide a link where Senator Sanders called for violence? If not basically everything you said was bullshit.

[timmymoff]

62. seems like staying in

because bobby kennedy was assassinated in june was some sort of acknowledgement of violence. Maybe that is why Sanders is staying in? What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

[Jude the Obscure]

63. "Damn good job"

I think the citizens of..

Iraq
Syria
Libya
Honduras
Haiti

beg to differ.

[merrily]

13. In reality, Trump locked down his nom before now and Hillary still has not locked down hers.

That does not bode well for the general. She is not a strong candidate. He is already polling within 3 points of her nationally too. That does not bode well for the general, either.

And if anyone thinks Trump's disrespect of women is going to neutralize Bill's, plus the "Lolita Express" allegations, he or she is dreaming. And heaven knows what else Trump will allege and/or dig up. Despite all the nonsense about vetting, she really has not had an election glove laid on her yet, or we would have known about some of this stuff years ago.

[uponit7771]

21. She might not be a strong candidate but Sanders is even weaker

[merrily]

27. I disagree, but discussing that requires nuance and thoughtful analysis, which does not

exist at DU anymore. So, we'll agree to disagree.

[uponit7771]

35. So why is he not winning? Cause he's not black? Is that the way the system was rigged cause...

... she had every advantage in 08 too and a majority of SDs too.

Also, if the system was rigged and its the same system from 08 where was Sanders voice fighting for her telling everyone the system was rigged then?

[merrily]

36. Did you not understand my Reply 27 or are you trying to prove how correct it is?

[uponit7771]

39. The factual part of you not agreeing that IF Clinton is weak that Sanders has to be weaker since he

... is losing

[merrily]

41. So your goal is proving Reply 27 is correct. Thanks much, but I think most posters would agree

with it anyway. It didn't need all this confirmation. I appreciate the effort, though.

[timlot]

28. In 2008 McCain locked down the republican nomination on March 3. Dems didn't finish till June.

I just wonder what Sanders supporters end game is. Do they care about the message or the messenger? Their issue are more likely to be a achieved with a Pres. Clinton vs a Pres. Trump so what is this really about?

[merrily]

32. Yep Hillary kept it going until June. See, I wonder what the end game of Hillary supporters is.

And by end game, I don't mean Philadelphia. The general is the end game. I think she would make a weak and very flawed general candidate. Always have.

[uponit7771]

40. Clinton wasn't being beat by 3 million votes either

[merrily]

43. Please see my Replies 27 and 41 to you. Thanks!

[timlot]

42. Weak general candidate vs who? Trump? The general is not the end game...

I thought the issues that Bernie was talking for the American people was the most important thing. If a $15 min wage, Public college tuition, Medicaid for all, etc. were really important to his supporter then they would recognize it would be more likely to be achieved with a Sanders or Clinton presidency. Yet they seem to be more in love with Bernie the man more than the issues that would directly effect their lives.

[merrily]

47. In love? What a disgusting, condescending sexist post. Go away.

[mythology]

48. You do realize that by having winner take all primaries

the Republican process is designed to be finished sooner right? We have proportional primaries meaning a candidate like Sanders can stay in the race as it appears to be "close" even though there isn't a viable path to the nomination.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/primaries/explaining-the-presidential-primary-process/

But feel free to continue to cling desperately to the belief that some scandal is going to stop Clinton, even ones that involve hoping a former Democratic president has committed statutory rape of minors. It shows a lot about your character.

[merrily]

49. Hoping is your spin--and your spin is disgusting and low. Are you proud of it? If so, why?

FYI, that's a rhetorical question. I don't want an effing answer from someone who posted that horrible bullshit about me.

[k8conant]

56. About our character: it would show we believe that no one is above the law

which is a good thing to believe (even though it's often not true)

[LiberalElite]

15. Reminds me of that girl with

the shark on her arm that wouldn't let go.

[Nye Bevan]

29. That's actually a pretty good analogy!

You know what eventually happened to the shark?

[Nye Bevan]

24. A baseball team that's 55-70 in August has not yet been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs,

because they just might go 35-2 in their remaining games and finish with a 90-72 record.

But everybody knows that's not going to happen.

[merrily]

31. The important issue is not longer the primaries but the general and Hillary is a huge risk for Dems

in the general. Everyone who has been so obsessed with making sure Sanders loses, no matter what has to be done to cause that, that they've lost sight of reality.

[Jack Bone]

25. scoffed @ W. Shrub as well...if it's close enough...

then the repugs will steal it. we know that's true. If she can't knock Bernie out, with all of her "built in" advantages...what on Earth makes anyone think she can knock Trump out on level grounds ?

[laserhaas]

70. Very nasty...full blown ...level grounds

[Thinkingabout]

33. If Sanders was a stronger candidate he would have the larger delegate count,

He doesn't. He does not have the vote count either. We the people has spoken.

[B Calm]

50. She needs to drop out now. The longer she stays in, the more divided we are. Therefore she

is the weaker candidate. She is a party divider, not a uniter!

[laserhaas]

68. ^^^^ this times 1000^^^^

So much baggage...and Trump wint play nice

Like Bernie has

[puffy socks]

51. If Berni is such a strong candidate

How come his popular vote is less than hers, how come the superdelegates aren't switching quickly over to Berni camp?


She beat him months ago
It isnt HCs problem Berni's ego and his supporters egos are so huge and they refuse to just graciously concedede like adults.

So we continue on with Bernies romper room until the convention

[randome]

69. Because Sanders is a strong candidate, too. Duh!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Herman4747]

71. She's a HORRIBLE candidate...

...worst Democratic candidate in the past 50 years.