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bloom

(11,635 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:49 AM May 2016

"Sanders Needs to Talk Down His Supporters and Explain That Nothing Is Being ‘Stolen’"

By Ed Kilgore

"Veteran Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston watched it all and came away convinced the Sanders campaign had deliberately fed supporters spurious grievances over the rules in order to rationalize what was actually a fair-and-square Clinton victory in organizing for the event, which after all, simply confirmed Clinton's earlier win in the February caucuses....

One thing is largely indisputable: Bernie Sanders himself could help clear the air by informing his supporters that while there are many things about the Democratic nomination process that ought to be changed, no one has "stolen" the nomination from him or from them. Perhaps a thousand small things gave Hillary Clinton an "unfair" advantage in this contest, but they were mostly baked into the cake, not contrived to throw cold water on the Bern. And the best step Sanders' supporters could take to promote their long-term interests in the Democratic Party would be to get a grip before they wind up helping Donald Trump win the presidency. And Bernie Sanders himself has a responsibility to talk his devoted followers off the ledge."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/sanders-needs-to-talk-down-his-supporters.html#

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"Sanders Needs to Talk Down His Supporters and Explain That Nothing Is Being ‘Stolen’" (Original Post) bloom May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead May 2016 #1
Why would Bernie lie to us? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #2
Are you new to politics? bloom May 2016 #7
Like Barby Boxer, Reid, and DWS. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #13
Reason would have been appropriate from day one, but that is not how he got his voter. I do not seabeyond May 2016 #3
This is what happens when one doesn't get enough love as a child. DURHAM D May 2016 #4
Well, you know that B of an old teacher (there are many) and the mother causing all the problems seabeyond May 2016 #8
you haven't been dealing with the issues of the American people timmymoff May 2016 #9
And it obvious Sanders has instilled that mentality into many of his fans. riversedge May 2016 #5
Did he attract the same, they validate each other, or helped to create. Nature or nurture. Lol. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #10
"Veteran reporter Jon Ralston..." Thanks for the LOL. JackRiddler May 2016 #6
Yeah, that was a gem, as was the implication that since the system wasn't winter is coming May 2016 #11
Or maybe the media should report the facts for a change. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #12
Why? The evidence suggests otherwise and Ralston is a joke. n/t Avalux May 2016 #14
The big split Trajan May 2016 #15
More of this crap. blackspade May 2016 #16
Yes, like Al Gore! Now there was a fighter! nt Bonobo May 2016 #17
The NV party got caught cheating AgingAmerican May 2016 #18
nope he won't do anything so magnanimous Sheepshank May 2016 #19
Holy Crap, Team Hillary is Terrified! TheSarcastinator May 2016 #20
He is not going to say that SheenaR May 2016 #21

Response to bloom (Original post)

bloom

(11,635 posts)
7. Are you new to politics?
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

People get carried away. His campaign folks get caught up the race. They go overboard. It happens.

Some people around here seem to think that 'Bernie' above politics. He is a politician.

His supporters would do well to listen to people outside his campaign sometimes.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. Reason would have been appropriate from day one, but that is not how he got his voter. I do not
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

expect reason from Sanders, I have learned, ever. It is hot anger, chip on the shoulder, everyone else is picking on me, mentality.

That attitude has caused quite a lot of unreasonable problems we have to now mop up, which pisses me off. The tantrum throwing shit up against the wall, then the perpetrator leaves the mess for all of us to clean up.

DURHAM D

(32,605 posts)
4. This is what happens when one doesn't get enough love as a child.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

I wish he would of had a successful singing career because then we would not be dealing with his issues.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. Well, you know that B of an old teacher (there are many) and the mother causing all the problems
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

in a childs life..... ya. Exactly.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. Did he attract the same, they validate each other, or helped to create. Nature or nurture. Lol. Nt
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:58 AM
May 2016
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
6. "Veteran reporter Jon Ralston..." Thanks for the LOL.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

Has he apologized and corrected himself for the non-existent thrown chairs in the plural?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
11. Yeah, that was a gem, as was the implication that since the system wasn't
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016

rigged against Bernie in particular, it wasn't rigged at all.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
12. Or maybe the media should report the facts for a change.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

Starting from a bullshit premise only results in a lot of drivel. That's what most writers and pundits are pumping out in truck loads. Instead of telling Sanders what he needs to do, based on that bullshit and drivel, maybe they should consider doing their own actual jobs properly.

I noticed one among a handful (Bill Press, Van Jones for two) who got at least some of it right was Carl Bernstein. He has seen this movie before too, as us boomers have, and he knows a thing or two about it...

Movie title, "The 1968 Democratic Party Convention & Election", and its sequel, "Watergate".

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
15. The big split
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

On one side, we have citizens yearning for a system that helps them succeed as human beings ...

The other side? ... Vote for my candidate, or the big bogey man is going to get you!

What is the most important message? ... Citizens get treated fairly?, or 'Here comes the Bogeyman!'?

I'll take Bernie Sanders ....

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
16. More of this crap.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Jesus fuck, this narrative is schizophrenic.

Sanders supporters are either too independent and need to be reigned in or we are a cult being run over a cliff.
So which is it?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
19. nope he won't do anything so magnanimous
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

he thinks his Revolution can only become a reality if his followers are fed a line of bull crap that en flames them and makes them so angry they won't even listen to the facts. It suits Bernie's purpose to play the victim of unfair and rigged policies. It's all the justification his followers need to react in an uncivilized manner.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
20. Holy Crap, Team Hillary is Terrified!
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

This must be hell for Team Inevitable: I mean, the nomination is so close Her Majesty can taste it on her tongue, and then to have some uppity Jew Socialist come along and point out her long history of failure and corruption must just be infuriating!

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
21. He is not going to say that
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

It would be a blatant lie.

I am not saying he would necessarily be in the lead, but there have been a ridiculous number of voter irregularities, a number of huge exit poll discrepancies (silvershadow post that picture again!) and yet on the other side nothing of the sort.

There has been some funny business this cycle. Some call that stealing.

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