# 2016 Postmortem

Related: About this forum# Just an FYI - An injection of a third set of numbers makes shenanigans difficult.

Especially when the third set of numbers are similar to the other two sets.

Again, just an FYI for those asking about Bernie going Indy, or threads asking if he'll be a Ralph Nader.

No, he will not. His numbers are higher than Hillary when everyone votes. A full set of numbers injected making it three way, will show the real winner this time. Will he do it? Not for me to say. Just talking about numbers here......

flame on....

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#### Merryland

(1,134 posts)#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)Open primaries thus far: 19. Hillary won 11, Bernie won 8. Pretty sure 11>8.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)and all counted and properly registered, Bernie wins

#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)because your candidate lost?

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)Prove that they were hacked. The onus is on the one making the claim.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)You made the claim. Back it up. With facts. The fact that you're trying to get me to disprove your unproven claim shows you've got NOTHING. The burden of proof is on YOU and only YOU. You make the claim, you supply the proof.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)You have no proof, just disruptive conjecture.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)The one who makes the claim supplies the proof. One who makes claims without backing it up is a liar.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)In the real world, someone who makes a claim provides proof. You've made a claim, then deny proof, only to demand proof that you are wrong. That's not how intellectualism works. That's how fuckwits like Glenn Beck work.

ETA Obvious troll is obvious.

#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)There are no "burdens" in my rules

#### Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)#### aspirant

(3,533 posts)#### SidDithers

(44,228 posts)Sid

#### Codeine

(25,586 posts)and the House chooses.

Not gonna happen. Even the All-New All-Ego Bernie won't go that far.

#### SheenaR

(2,052 posts)270 is easily attainable. 1992.

#### Codeine

(25,586 posts)#### Demsrule86

(70,289 posts)then the House gets to appoint a president...the GOP House. Bernie should be shunned for all time if he pulled a stunt like that. and just like all so-called indies or socialist...they never accomplish anything worthwhile.

#### Time for change

(13,718 posts)Polling should be done to explore the possibility, and I suspect that he could win in a landslide.

Democracy is in great trouble when there is a two party system and so many barriers to founding a third party. The Republican and Democratic Parties are both minority parties (26% and 29% respectively). By far the most popular candidate in the race has been unable to obtain a lead in the Democratic primaries, because of all sorts of barriers, including election fraud.

Something similar was the case in 2008. Until the personal scandal that caused him to drop out of the race, John Edwards was by far the most popular candidate running nationally, and his agenda was closer to Bernie's than any of the other candidates. But he too could not get much traction within the Democratic Party.

What kind of democracy do we have when the most popular candidates nationally cannot get enough traction within the two major but minority parties?

#### libdem4life

(13,877 posts)that there are de facto 4 parties: Trump, Republican, Sanders, Democrat. Neither of the "approved two parties" have enough without including the outliers.

Just a thought.

#### Time for change

(13,718 posts)But one thing I know is that the thought of Clinton, Trump, or any other Republican as our next President I find terribly depressing.

#### libdem4life

(13,877 posts)#### demwing

(16,916 posts)but I have no idea what would happen to the Congress. Even if the House and Senate somehow both went Blue, how would Bernie rebuild the bridges?

#### libdem4life

(13,877 posts)list and supporters paying attention to what he says really do wield power.

We're already seeing contested candidates and new Bernie-type candidates (see Tim Conova, but there are more). If he got his millions to make calls to whomever to achieve whatever...bet it wields power to change rather quickly.

Bernie has momentum and coat tails, IMO.

#### Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)Who know what the future holds? Anything can happen. Murphy's Law, karma, the FBI, the transcripts, the Clinton Foundation money laundering investigation, an Act of Dog. Who knows?

One thing I believe everyone (who is honest with themselves) sees whether they want to admit it or not....it will be impossible for HRC to win the general in a two party race. She has failed to connect with people under the age of 45 and never will win them over, she has alienated a huuuge percentage of Bernie supporters, she is slipping in her grip on people of color, and she has never had and will never get the Independent vote. All she has is the Third Way wing of the Democratic Party. I've been voting since '72 and I refuse to be told to sit down, shut up and cast my precious ballot for someone I have never respected and don't trust. Don't know what I'll do in November but that is so far in the future it is a waste of time to worry about it now. I'm with Bernie to the end and will support him in every way because he is the candidate of my lifetime.

#### Time for change

(13,718 posts)I'm assuming that the majority of the missing numbers would be mostly Green Party, which would almost all go to Bernie. He would also get almost all of the pure Indy category, and based on the huge negative favorability ratings of Trump and Clinton, he would also get the lion's share of the two lean categories. I'd love to see some 3 way polling.

But if it's done by any establishment organization, it's bound to underestimate Bernie's true share. He should get some pollsters of his own to do some polling.