2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFinally -- Video of the "Chair Being Thrown"
shows that someone lifted a chair and then released it for another person to put it back on the floor. It was NEVER thrown. No one was hit or injured. It was blown way out of proportion to avoid talking about the real crime:
The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.
The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.
The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.
The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.
Video:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bernie4People/status/732619789424832512/video/1
A lie can get half way around the world before the Truth can get its cellphone video uploaded to social media. - W Churchill
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)...wow
Well, please continue Mr Sanders
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)kaleckim
(651 posts)They have spent the last few days blatantly lying and really need reality to bend a bit for them. The "English only" lies didn't force reality to change enough, so maybe Photoshop can come to the rescue?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)If you heard in the mainstream press that Bernie supporters were violent at the Nevada state Democratic convention, you were lied to.
No chairs were thrown. There were no assaults or threats. This video shows what REALLY happened.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)what a couple of sweethearts
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)uponit7771
9. No sad for violent thugs, just don't want them around me
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1993988
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)needs the attention.. what else is there in life.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)did that, they'd go away as quickly as they've come. Like my Dad used to say, consider the source.
No attention for silly posters from me.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)When I have time, I'll try to transcribe what Erin Bilbray said on Thom Hartmann's show - or maybe it will be available later today or tomorrow.
Bernie supporters were angry at the way the DNC was trying to change the rules and find ways to keep Bernie supporters out of the process. This wasn't about the delegate vote.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... and the chair didn't want to hear it despite the floor vote and it had to do with getting more Sanders delegates into the process.
we'll see
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)A man lifted a chair up high, possibly to make a statement about the convention "chair", maybe as a gesture to suggest unseating the chair or seating a new chair or even encouraging people to sit and calm down.
There really is no suggestion whatsoever that this person was preparing to throw that chair.
What a silly idea and how ridiculous that it was promoted on the Internet as someone throwing chairs.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... names, posting a persons private contact info so she can get death threats, vandalism but dammit "we didn't throw no chairs !!"
bunch thugs
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)and telling them of their privilege.
frylock
(34,825 posts)This poster doesn't appear to think very highly of white people, maybe even hates them.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Running the car in an enclosed space seems to be causing you some problems.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)a self righteous statement.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... it wasn't thrown all the other bullshit that went on in NV is not ok
floriduck
(2,262 posts)But the other bullshit like what Roberta Lange did was disgusting and crooked. No crookedness, no picking up of chairs. See how that works?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It is a convenient lie, that the media is happy to repeat, to obfuscate the true crimes.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Giggity
(86 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Giggity
(86 posts)Do you refer to the time between sips as "resting before your next set"?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)Response to GreatGazoo (Original post)
artislife This message was self-deleted by its author.
frylock
(34,825 posts)She is going to lose here in Cali. They're doing what they can in hopes of mitigating that loss.
QC
(26,371 posts)in addition to other objects.
All of this was was reported by a journalist who wasn't actually there, so it must be true.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)She's a journalist!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)...tension with organizers led to some Bernie Sanders supporters throwing chairs and to security clearing the room, organizers said.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-05-15-US--DEM%202016-Nevada/id-c3b7ab9ad09a47ecae4ac614538a4915
So the truth of the statement rests not on whether any chair(s) were actually thrown but rather on whether or not "organizers" made the statement that included that allegation which is not supported by video.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I've had the video in my twitter feed since Saturday night. ANyway, the one guy talks the guy with the chair down and then he puts the chair down. No big deal!
The "big deal", I just realized, was caused by the NV Dem leadership. Disgusting.
polly7
(20,582 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)I guess by #bernielogic, the fact that this individual chair was never airborne implies that none of the other rioters threw chairs either.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I doubt it.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)restrained from throwing the chair prove that no other chairs were thrown. The logic is perverse. But that's why his campaign is losing. You can fool some people some of the time.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Oh, the humanity !....
Seriously, I found video of the chair incident. It turned out to be extremely mild. It does not help our Party or our candidates to continue spreading the myth that "chairs were thrown."
Your clinging to that myth in the face of evidence to the contrary makes you seem less than reasonable.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I think that video shows a very frustrated guy who came to his senses and was consoled by a fellow support.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Nothing wrong with that, just regular human behavior!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The fact is the chair wasn't thrown and there's zero evidence that anything violent happened that night. Yes it was unruly and bordered on crass at times. Meanwhile we have a man who was actually arrested for assault an a woman no less (extreme weaknesses) and if that would have been a Bernie supporter....
YouDig
(2,280 posts)someone threatening to throw a chair, which in itself is an act of violence. The tortured #bernielogic it takes to look at this video and actually think it makes the angry drunken mob look good is really something to behold.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)We're waiting.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Jon Ralston reported multiple eyewitnesses. Roberta Lange witnessed it. Only those in deep denial and conspiracy are denying at this point.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)When someone asks for evidence, your reply is, "Go look for it."
YouDig
(2,280 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Put up or shut it.
QC
(26,371 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I wonder how many posts he has to make before he gets a cookie.
QC
(26,371 posts)sadly.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)but to prevent others from doing so.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)If there was, we would see it in op after op after op after op
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Put up or shut up.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)and arrested?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Not a word about the Clinton supporter arrested for assaulting a woman who supports Sanders?
Trolls gotta troll!
YouDig
(2,280 posts)But Bernie people are using this video as "proof" that none of the other rioters threw any chairs either despite all the witnesses who saw them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)You're a joke
YouDig
(2,280 posts)You need to understand, it's only a tiny fraction of people who truly believe they are all in a conspiracy against Bernie. It's pretty out there. You get into the groupthink, and it seems normal to believe stuff like that, but it's not.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Or is the sock drawer full?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)First sentence. No ambiguity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Trolls gotta troll, I guess.
Here's a link for your dumb ass:
http://gawker.com/eyewitness-says-the-wires-wendell-pierce-charged-into-h-1777076559
YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Back to the laundry basket with you!
YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Didn't your starter kit come with a dictionary?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I have legitimate posters to reply to
YouDig
(2,280 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)You'll be discarded as soon as you are no longer needed
YouDig
(2,280 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)"Thrown chairs." is not a sentence. And you may say I'm nit-picking, but surely you can't claim it's not ambiguous.
--imm
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Giggity
(86 posts)JUST LIKE rioting!
Great observation, bro.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)If it got so bad that that guy picked up a chair, there's no telling what else happened. Picking up a chair and threatening to throw it IS violent. Someone witnessing this in the chaos would interpret this as a threat. It would have been a confusing, frightening moment. No, it's not likely lots of chairs were flying around or that would indeed likely show up on video, but just because there isn't the exact moment of an actual chair flying through the air caught on someone's phone doesn't mean there was no violence.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)why weren't counselors called to the scene?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Defend THAT oh corrupted ones!
polly7
(20,582 posts)Or something ... still can't figure that one out, but there wasn't one word of concern for the much smaller woman brutalized by the much larger male Clinton supporter.
Hypocrisy ........ it's a thing.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)And some drunks in a hotel hallway at 3 in the morning?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)An assault vs. an untossed chair plus Clinton, Inc.'s ever growing pile of fresh bullshit.
Yall better get busy cleaning that up or the entire campaign will get lost in it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)All recorded too.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)For a cool million!
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Anonymous texts. Did they come with a thrown chair?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The first was a man from Atlanta, who called Lange a corrupt bitch and texted her, Someone will hurt you.
Atlanta Man declined to give his name when I reached him. He sounded weary and embarrassed. He said hed been getting phone calls all day.
Most of them are just hangups, he said. Ive gotten threats on Twitter, too. But I dont make a big deal out of that stuff. All I can say is that Ive apologized to her and Im sorry. I said one thing I guess that somebody took as a threat.
What was your actual intention? I asked.
I cant really say for sure if there was an intention on that, he replied. I dont really want to say too much.
He was of a younger age, he explainedolder than 18 but younger than 25. This is our first primary, he said. And watching the convention on Saturday, watching the livestream, was very frustrating. I think there were a lot of people who were angry. But I dont personally have anything against anybody. I never had any intentions of any negative actions or anything like that. I made that very clear. A lot of people are angry.
I asked if he wouldve done the same thing if he knew people would be able to call him back.
I wouldnt have done it had I not been hyped up and angry, he said. But Im not saying I did anything. Im not saying I made any threats. I had no intention of threatening anyone.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-called-up-bernie-fans-who-threatened-nevada-dem-stat-1777177985
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107137373 Thanks sufrommich (21,487 posts)
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Where is police report on the death threats?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Are police reports routinely made public?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)There is no evidence of death threats, just hearsay from campaign well known for lying.
As for the one guy, he shouldn't have said what he said. A bigger issue is that the chair of the convention shouldn't have done what she did, and I can understand people being quite upset over it. Death threats? No evidence. The graffiti? Not a big deal, plus we don't know who did that.
On edit: did anyone claiming to have received a death threat say they called the police and filed a report? Anything other than the claim that it happened?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thousands of democrats got a real good look at Bernie for the first time when he made excuses for lawbreaking the other day.
"But..."
That should be the epitaph of his fail campaign.
Ignore it if you will.
I guess Sanders has to break a few eggs to make his revolution omelet eh?
Sickening.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)This campaign by Hillary has been nasty. There will be a lot of people leaving the democratic party after all of it, and a whole lot will be so turned off that they won't support her. After the amount of corruption that has been made plain, this is a good thing.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Perhaps, like your stupid candidate, you believed that shit as well.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Graffiti reading "Roberta Lange murdered democracy," "You are scum," and "Cheating is not winning."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that call that FREE SPEECH. since there is no permanent damage. Statue, you can google it and read it.
I will grant you this, in the new America we are rushing towards, that will be criminalized, but for the moment it is not. My posting will be criminalized. Watch what you say. not just for Republcians anymore.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)You people are so damn.............................!
So if a mob comes over to your house and defaces it all over with vile sayings in chalk, you have no case in court?
Is this the BS you all are trying to peddle now?
What a **ckin joke!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I cover courts.
You should though join my local City Attorney's office, he has been losing those cases, since Occupy, and thankfully he is termed out. And yes, one even went to the jury. The rest were thrown out in the preliminary hearing stage.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Or are we just supposed to take Bernie's word for it?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)You got 30 cops watching the Sanders supporters, and not one arrest or report.
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/jan/08/bullet-hole-found-at-sanders-campaign-hq-on-day-ca/
Actor
(626 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)herself. They will continue to blare "a Bernie Bro threw a chair" until another lie can be cooked up for the next poutrage. It is horrifying that so many "democrats" are this immoral.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)arrests are part of the public record, for the moment.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Changing the rules to ensure they get the "right" nominee.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It's all they do. How do the Clinton supporters accept all the lies and smears. They ALL get proven to be wrong. And yet, they don't seem to even notice. What does that say about them?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and got pushback. They are pushing back also on what happened and chiefly why... .it is process people, and that is a crack you heard.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Disappointing, and yet, they barely even mention the reasons there was such an outcry to begin with.
Getting wrapped up on the reaction not bothering to look at what provoked it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)does he seem in any hurry to get close to the stage, his supposed target. I would have expected someone angry enough to throw a chair would try to rush the stage, or resist being stopped. Perhaps his goal wasn't actually throwing anything??
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)and what they saw happen. Also some much needed perspective on the respect between supporters of different candidates.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)it is much needed perspective and 2 admirable attitudes.
apnu
(8,756 posts)I've been ignoring the fucking chair. The convention floor was a hot mess of angry childish behavior. Calling Barbra Boxer a bitch? This is what the left has become? Hurling sexist insults at a feminist icon?
Harassing the employer of Roberta Lange? Trying to ruin that business because she works there?
I posted a few times yesterday on DU about cyberbullying and harassment of women at the Nevada convention. A few Bernie people went out of their way to blame the victims of harassment. Saying the threats are justified because of what the NV Dems party did in response to the open hostility on the convention floor. I asked them directly to denounce cyberbullying and they flat out refused to do so.
I voted for Bernie in my state's primary, but Bernie supporters have lost me.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)But, I take issue with this: sweeping generalization fallacy
This is what the left has become?
How many people used the term 'bitch' ? ...
If it was millions, then you have a point ..
Was it thousands of people? ... Hundreds? ... Tens?
Was I there? (No) ... I'm of the left ...
Did I call her a 'bitch' ?
What percentage of the 'left' called her a bitch?
100% ?
50?
20?
10?
5?
1?
0.000000000001%?
So, let's return to your statement:
This is what the left has become?
The left is just fine ... You don't condemn a whole entire population when 0.000000000001% of that population are bad people ..
Yet, according to you ...The 'left' has some sort of stain on it's collective soul ....
We are all damned, because 0.000000000001% of 'leftists' called some ANTI-Democratic Party Member a ... Bad word ....
Sweeping generalizations are commonly used by brigands and shysters of all types ... You just joined the club ...
And now to Iggyville with you ... It's another club you now belong to ...
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)So he just decided to pick it up and take it home.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)When some people want to believe something else.