This is much bigger than an election...

[nadinbrzezinski]

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Yeah, yeah, Clinton will likely be the nominee... and as I said yesterday, I really do not give a fig anymore who the democratic party nominates. Becuase this is much bigger than them. Some of you have accused me of being in Sanders camp for pushing back on the catapulting of your propaganda. Well I am not. Who I vote for is my business, even if now I am positive it is just pretending to vote. Yes I expect to waste my time on June 7, filling a ballot I expect to go to the shredder. That is how much trust I have in the system at this point

One measure of oligarchies are controlled elections. This cycle has shown that side in spades. This is a process thing. There have been more than few issues... and yes you expect an issue or two during an election cycle This year we have seen more than just one or two There is an air of desperation within the system, and I do not mean just the party (and the republcians lost that battle to contain the ginny. This is one marked by anger at the man to use a 1960s term.

So let's tell you why those seeds have been planted. While you sound like third year college students talking about safe spaces... and white privilege, here they are. (For the record safe space talk irks me, and white privilege is very real)



This poverty rate as of 2012 shows a trend where it is leaving the urban core and entering the subborbs (When some folks fixate on spelling, instead of issues, is speaks about them bullying and not caring about the major point made, They are bellow for the hosts). It has not gone down by the way And it is now around you.

According to the GAO

The measure of poverty currently in use was developed some 50 years ago, and was adopted as
the “official” U.S. statistical measure of poverty in 1969. Except for minor technical changes, and
adjustments for price changes in the economy, the “poverty line” (i.e., the income thresholds by
which families or individuals with incomes that fall below are deemed to be poor) is the same as
that developed nearly a half century ago, reflecting a notion of economic need based on living
standards that prevailed in the mid-1950s.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33069.pdf

I know that other organizations, my county among them, are using a newer definition that actually makes those numbers look far worst. But they had to. The federal threshold is too low in the 4th most expensive city in the country.

Food insecurity, yes it has also gone up.. currently it stands at 48 million of your friends and neighbors do not know when their next meal is coming.

http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/hunger-and-poverty/hunger-and-poverty-fact-sheet.html?gclid=CJPntsmJ5MwCFcdhfgodn9EGvA?referrer=https://www.google.com/

Oh it gets better, in spite of the ACA, which incidentally rates will go through the roof this year since a lot of the subsidies are going away, those were to the states, medical bankruptcies continue, and yes even SNOPES has said this is happening... so spare me with the propaganda. And I do know people that RIGHT NOW cannot afford the ACA at the bronze level.

http://www.snopes.com/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

And we have insurance companies that will leave the exchanges, among them United Health Care. That could spell the end of the exchanges medium term.. which in case you need a translation means back to square one.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/unitedhealthcare-obamacare-exchanges-aca/

College costs continue to go up.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/11/15/college-tuition-costs-continue-rise

Issues of the criminal justice system, and the treatment of POC within it.

Climate change... well I will spare you on that one. I now know many of you still think it is far in the future and you will not live though the consequences. I know better. But I will respect your socially enforced silence on it.

I could go on. These are not partisan issues. These are life and death issues issues that are driving people to quiet levels of desperation. and yes, radicalization. They affect everybody, white, black, brown. Asian. if we had people from the moon, they would be affected too.

Yes, I predict right now that long standing goals of the GOP will be accomplished in the next four years. Yes I expect Social Security to be on the bargain table. Why? Becuase these are also neo liberal policies. that are being implemented world wide, This is part of the austerity plans used in places like Chile first, and Greece now, and those are coming home. Moreover, it was Obama's idea to triangulate with the Grand Bargain... it was the partisanship of Congress that prevented that.

History is prologue...

So yes, Madam president, assuming you even get elected since your party is splitting and many will not vote for you, since they have reasons going back months to decades, enjoy your victory. Those issues are not going away. And do enjoy your right wing party as well. You won, enjoy the victory. You are lucky that conservadems don't discuss this shit. After Ayotzinapa there was a Mexican saying that started to be used by the kids in the streets.



They wanted to bury us, but they did not know we were seeds.

The US already has seen some civil unrest. Starting with the battle of Seattle in 1991, which was a battle against globalization... every so often we see spasms. 1999, students at Berkeley rose up, and that spread state wide. Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, yes both Trump and Sanders are symptoms of this. It is not going away. This is much bigger than an election. But huzzah, the system is still able to protect itself against the rabble.

And I was reminded bellow of the protests over Prop 187 in California. Thanks. I would have to add also the protests against the war in 2003, that were ignored by major media. And Mike M asked me to include Idle no More, originally starting in Canada...

http://www.idlenomore.ca/

And others that I am starting to remember, sorry so many, are the multiple demonstrations against La Migra in California. and the El Bordo meetings. And of course, that is because we are at a border town, but this included other places solidarity marches for ayotzinapa.

John Fitzegrald Kennedy, who is too liberal for the modern day democratic party, warned on his inaugural address that those nations that did not allow a peaceful revolution, would ensure the violent kind. I am proof positive he was thinking of the countries behind the Iron Curtain. It took about a generation for his words to become actual revolutions. They did not involve bullets, but the ballot box. We might question whether those revolutions produced good or bad results, but they were change, well not everywhere were they peaceful... I mean Caucescu would argue how he was deposed and executed was not quite peaceful, but for the most part they were mostly ballot revolutions.

The United States right now finds itself in a similar situation. A system that is responsive to less and less people, and is not responding to the needs of the many, and with levels of income inequality not seen since 1929. Those who prevent peaceful positive change and continue to sneer and demean the left are in for a surprise. But we have Fusion Centers so I am sure that will be nipped in the bud... but only for so long. Even police states do fall. Ask East Germany...

You keep bandying about how the I want my country back is the white good old boys. I have heard that expression at many a rally, some of it at times proceeded by Si se Puede, yes we can. That is an echo not from Obama, but Cesar Chavez by the way. I have also heard this at rallies with African Americans. People want a country where they can make it, and their children can make it. They want a country where their children will have a better future. That country is gone. We used to have it.

I know I am talking to people who are likely wealthier and well to do, and chiefly comfortable. You have no idea of the quiet desperation and anger out there.

We are seeds... beware of the whirlwind.

And yes at this point, many of us will have to welcome both your hate and fear. This is much bigger than an election... there are forces stirring... they have been stirring for a while. Enjoy. The future should be fun... like a root canal. Ask for anesthesia, it might be more tolerable that way.

Oh and talk about you do not vote for my candidate will make you responsible for the loss of my candidate will fall on deaf ears. Those threats no longer work. If you need to know why... re-read the full thing.

[polly7]

1. Great post nadin. Bookmarked to read all of this. nt.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. You wecome

[mmonk]

2. Recommended. Thanks

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Thanks

[ChiciB1]

3. Thanks For Posting... I Will Read ALL In A Bit, BUT BOY OH BOY...

I'm really AFRAID that too many people are UNABLE to see a certain reality which most assuredly is going to send this country into a tail spin.

I've been suspicious about whether my vote has actually been counted for many years, but THIS YEAR I've pretty much lost all faith!

Voting in this country is a JOKE and NOT A FUNNY ONE!

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yup, but we create realities while you study old realities

that has a certain cache now

[Uncle Joe]

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You welcome

[H2O Man]

5. Recommended!

Outstanding. I wish that everyone would read this with an open mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Thanks

[Ace Rothstein]

11. The poverty rate has gone down since it spiked in 2010.

The chart you attached isn't the rate but is the raw numbers of people living in poverty.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Ok you go argue this with these folks

Nearly half of children in the United States live dangerously close to the poverty line, according to new research from the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health. Basic Facts about Low-Income Children, the center's annual series of profiles on child poverty in America, illustrates the severity of economic instability and poverty conditions faced by more than 31 million children throughout the United States. Using the latest data from the American Community Survey, NCCP researchers found that while the total number of children in the U.S. has remained about the same since 2008, more children today are likely to live in families barely able to afford their most basic needs.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-american-children-poverty-line.html#jCp

And these foolks

“What struck me was that the poverty rate for whites and black remained almost where it was 40 years ago,” he added. “It certainly demonstrates that for as much as the country’s economy has grown since 1976, that prosperity hasn’t been shared particularly with people at the bottom. That’s what the numbers show, that economic growth over a 40-year period has benefited some but not all.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-of-black-america-2016_us_573a72e2e4b060aa781b180f

Plus the chart I posted went to 2014... most recent I could find, but the data on food insecurity is from this year, And these are from this year.

[larkrake]

110. no, it has very definately not gone down, neither has the unemployment- it just has shifted

to minorities and eldars

[suffragette]

12. Nadin, I would add protests against Prop 187 to the civil unrest paragraph

Over 70,000 strong in Los Angeles alone:
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-17/news/mn-51339_1_illegal-immigrants

I lived in Fullerton at the time and still remember Fullerton College being surrounded (yes, completely encircled) by police who had just pepper sprayed the students who were protesting.

And change the year for Battle in Seattle to 1999. I was back home here by then and saw the many organizations band together in a coalition against the negative pressures of globalization and the police force that took over the downtown area.


Great post. Strong K&R.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. And I was in CA bad me

One reason I actually applied for citizenship

[suffragette]

15. Classic opposite impact, yes?

The supporters of Prop 187 pushed too far and pressured a generation who pushed back for their civil rights and became more politically active.

It also aroused the fight in allied organizations, from educational to health care to religious ones.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. And it is happening again

[suffragette]

50. Yes, it most certainly is.

Thank you again for this important post.

Well done!

[PeaceNikki]

16. What are "subborbs"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. if that is all you got, whatever

have an excellent day. I did not expect you to get it. I do not expect most HRC hard core partisans to get it. History will teach you that lesson in time.

And that actually makes me smile.



And thanks for the kick by the way

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Personal attacks now

cute

[PeaceNikki]

21. There's no attack, nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. LMAO

How profound

[polly7]

100. But aren't you embarrassed?!!

(I wouldn't be either).

Anything to derail the thread - even insults. But, no more on this one - from that poster, anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. That is why at this point I just laugh

what else can you do? They want to silence people and that is why they engage in fourth grade level bullying, Nener neener you can't spell... And I am in very good company when it come to this. I know of a few people on Facebook, like Secretary Reich who have noted this phenomena. It is a conservative mind reaction to facts. He gets this every so often too.

[polly7]

104. So childish and transparent. I'm glad you laugh, I guess you've had enough experience with

this garbage. It's always the same - start a great thread and it's derailed. You'd almost think this place wasn't for adults.

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. It is not, it is for partisans

and the OP is not going away. Those realities are there.

This country is heading for something ugly. I have come to realize that the folks going but privileged, are the privileged ones (for the most part) and cannot see the pain around them. IT is not as if media ever reports on deep poverty. We have. But we are not major media...

People like Maria cannot wait for the powers that be, or for these folks to actually give a damn, and in fact, they don't expect that anymore

https://reportingsandiego.com/2015/10/05/slum-conditions-in-san-diego/

I could go on

[polly7]

106. So sad. Roaches, mold, lead, ants in the food ....

it must have been heartbreaking to hear of her story and write it up. I'm glad the owner at least agreed to make repairs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. Part of the reason was, exposure

but that story is very common in this town, even in suburbia... and that is what people here, partisans, are missing. That is a level of poverty that nobody speaks off in polite company and it is out there.

Partisans here will start to suddenly care about social security if Trump wins, of course after kicking Sanders to the curb They will only care about income inequality after Trump wins. Not a second before. It will be 2001 all over again, the problem is that the rest of us are now wise to them. And do not see them as allies.

[CorkySt.Clair]

26. "subborbds"

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. You know who gets this treatment as well

Mr Reich. I am in good company, and when you fixate on that, this is about you, and it is hilarious as hell.

[CorkySt.Clair]

40. Reich can't spell either?

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Yup on Facebook

The people who tend to do that to him, and he laughs at them as well. Well they are conservatives and conservadems. I think that is an interesting coincidence, don't you think?

It tells me a lot about the conservative mind and how it works.

Now let me join you, it is indeed not just telling, but hysterical

[CorkySt.Clair]

70. Not really that interesting.

A lot of what you find interesting (the NSA agents at Comic-Con, rogue wind turbines that cause cancer) I find patently silly, kooky and often boring.

But we all don't have to like the same things, so to each their own...

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Anything to distract and demean

Or in this case attempt to. So tell me you are a ok with 48 million not knowing where their next meal is coming from? I don't, but given you raise anything but issues like that, I suspect you don't care.

As I said Robert Reich has had the occasional commentary on thread high jacking techniques by conservatives to avoid the real issues. I found it to be the same here.

Let me laugh a tad more...at you

[CorkySt.Clair]

72. You're making a lot of broad generlizations.

Butt thatz know surpyse givun a lot of ur powsts hear.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Lmao

[CorkySt.Clair]

74. Hay, Nadyeen

It'z nowt nyce ta laff at peepl.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Well I could cry.

But laughter is better.

And you would prefer if I cried. See I figured you guys a while back

[CorkySt.Clair]

81. Yes, laughter is the best medicine.

Thank you for your many contributions here at DU to that end.

[polly7]

101. Let me guess ........... you're six? nt.

[PeaceNikki]

48. I know, and it's been edited 3 times.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. You did notice that I left it in place

And made a comment about your interesting fixation

The thing is it used to make me mad. But then I figured people like you. Anything to deflect

I love you too. I at times wonder if I bought the right pizza for the right peacenikki back during the heady days of Wisconsin.

[PeaceNikki]

80. You never bought me a damn pizza.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. So then it was the wrong person, thanks for the clarification.

becuase we ordered a few from San Diego

You know why? We believe in class solidarity, so instead of going out for dinner ourselves we blew the budget for going out for a month in pizzas There is this store in downtown Wisconsin, they got orders from all over the world actually. And I believe it was you who posted that information on DU, with even photos from that pizzeria. Maybe I am misremembering that, and that is possible... it's been a while. I would love to go to it if I ever go to Wisconsin, but if they have no gluten free anything am afraid I can't. That mac and cheese pizza looked damn good.

But perhaps as I said, that was not you. I tend not to bring those things to the fore, but I at times wonder what happened to you. Oh and I did pass that information to local union folks we know, So thank that person if you know her, for that information.

[PeaceNikki]

85. That was Ian's Pizza, but nobody got one to me.

https://ianspizza.com

If one was sent in my name, I was not aware and thank you for that. Those were emotional times. As are these.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. You welcome

we organized pizza buys... and thanks for the name.

[tazkcmo]

121. Disgusting.

You must be one of those "This is Amerikuh! Speak English!" "people"even though you never achieved anything higher than a C in your HS English class.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

134. Are you a pre-adolescent? If not, you're the one that should be embarrased...and ashamed. nt

[randome]

23. No. It isn't. IT'S JUST AN ELECTION!

The hyperbole has reached galactic levels!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I know policy is hard

[randome]

25. I don't see any discussion of policy in your post. It's a list of complaints, many valid ones.

I'm not sure what this has to do with a primary but you do manage to sneak in a barb at Clinton. Like far too many on this site, you end up talking more about 'the enemy' than your own candidate.

Maybe if we did discuss policy and issues, we'd be more of a team and we would actually discuss policy and issues. But I don't see that happening in GDP.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. If you think a list actually pointing to policy is not policy

that is fine with me.

Have a good one. I do not try to discuss policy with you guys anymore. We have like zero in common. We have tried to discuss policy with you guys. I gave up on that a while ago. And it is not just you, or DU, policy is too hard.

And I will not try to discuss policy with you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. But, she said ... as plan as day ... that she has no candidate ...

see:

Some of you have accused me of being in Sanders camp for pushing back on the catapulting of your propaganda. Well I am not.

Before saying, this:

Who I vote for is my business, even if now I am positive it is just pretending to vote. Yes I expect to waste my time on June 7, filling a ballot I expect to go to the shredder. That is how much trust I have in the system at this point

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. I still don't

And now even less, it is not like it will count anyway.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. "Son"? Is that a typo?

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Nope, I mean it, I am sure you are younger than me

and going back to the issue at hand, at the process level, I don't trust US Elections. I trust them as far as I trusted the Mexican elections in my youth. They are that clean, or not, depending on your point of view.

So there was a dedazo, there were irregularities, the only things missing are the cokes and the tortas.

It is what it is. I will pretend to vote. I know it will not count. So my candidate will be whoever the registrar of voters decided I voted for at the central tabulator. So I could not even tell you who I pretended to support anyway. For all I know they will decide to assign the vote of this NDP to Kasich, in a closed Republican primary. This is how bad it is.

Yup, how much I trust the system, So seriously it is not your business who I will vote, but neither my business. It is a pretend election.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. Do you make it a practice to call someone you don't know, "Son" ...

regardless of how old you think they are?

I real life that is not a good idea ... especially when you are using it to refer to a grow ass Black man.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. My apologies have an excellent day

And I will not pretend to have a serous conversation with you either

But finally I love dedazos

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. serious conversation that includes calling me son? ...

You don't get out much ... or, are rarely in Black company.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. I am actually.

That is a great assumption on your part

I am also among Hispanic and Latinos too.

But that, like who I will pretend to vote for, is none of your business

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Nadin ... I couldn't care less whom you will be pretending to vote for ...

I do, however, object to your calling me "son".

And, it's NOT an assumption that you don't get out among Black folks much ... or, I wouldn't be having this dialogue. Someone would have broken you of that offensive habit, long ago.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. If an apology is given and not accepted

Then it is no longer my issue. Have an excellent day

[forjusticethunders]

51. It's not a game, but the Bernie supporters aren't acting like it isn't.

The working class doesn't have time for wannabes, whiners, and hucksters, especially ones that can write off the majority of the working class because the message is too one dimensional (newsflash: The American proletariat is disproportionately POC and female)

[Scootaloo]

151. I've not seen a single Clinton supporter who gives a shit about working people

I see a lot of you who make some useless fucking mouth noises about it but when it comes time to put rubber to pavement, all of you are gone. Poof. Your candidate has lots of time for exploiters, though. All the time and space in the world for people who count pocket change in large bills. But when it comes to the working people who make all that possible? Tch. She's done fucked off. Got no time for us, except to undercut our efforts, when we put our jobs on the line to demand better pay. Unlike Ms. Clinton, when we lose our jobs we don't have millions and millions in assets, but we are "dead broke."

As in, some of us actually die from being broke.

Next time you want to talk working class, how about you live it, instead of just reading tumblr and thinking you know what you're going on about.

[randome]

89. Apparently YOU "have no damned clue" as to which governmental body can help.

It's not the office of the Presidency. You can talk about 'bully pulpits' all you want, but the power to make and amend laws belongs to Congress.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Excuses excuses

presidents do set legislative policy, just like Mayors do.

See this is why I do not discuss actual policy with you and your friends.

And I guess FDR was a fan of not using the bully pulpit. for that matter JFK, LBJ and yes, Reagan, he was very effective.

[Trust Buster]

27. No, it's just an election. Sanders over-promised and under-delivered. He should have known better.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. HOW PROFOUND

[Trust Buster]

32. And True. You don't start a political movement with a 74 year old leader without the political bloc

to achieve his goals. You start by electing like minded people in the state and federal legislative branches. Once a powerful force in legislatures are in place, then you put forth a leader. There are no shortcuts despite what Sanders tells you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. This tells me you read the first line maybe

[Trust Buster]

37. Insult me all you wish, but I still don't see legs to this so called revolution. It is just an

election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Ah longe duree

sorry for the fancy term.

And I am not insulting you, I just find you adorably willfully well. that would be an insult for some, So adorably American

[Trust Buster]

41. You seem a little to self absorbed to carry on a substantive discussion IMO.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. LMAO

I tried with you

Longe dure...it is a real term, usually spanning centuries, but in this case, it spans decades.

[PeaceNikki]

46. You mean "longue durée", I think.

You should get a better grasp on English before you try to move on to French.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Lmao another precious clutching of pearls

[zappaman]

75. !!!

[Trust Buster]

114. Otherwise known as self absorbed.

[procon]

131. Hard to get past all the petty condescending snark to take you seriously.

I'll pass. There's been a glut of these self serving vanity posts lately, and I just can't wade through another woe-is-me, doom and gloom essay.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. Thanks I need to laugh

[Ferd Berfel]

28. K&R

democracy has been assassinated by teh Corporate Elite and their puppets

[TimPlo]

91. They drones don't like Carter

Because he spent the years after he left the White House making the world a better place. The drones only like a ex-POTUS who sells out and makes millions off of kissing ass of big banks and %1.

[Ferd Berfel]

92. yep that why people like Franks and Dean copy the practice

of selling out to the Corporatists

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. Well this is a different set of values

one is the value of the WE and the other is the value of the I, or me

[840high]

29. k&r

[underthematrix]

53. If Bernie were the DEM nominee, do you think your

general election ballot would also end up in the shredder?

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Yup

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

More extensive, when elections are compromised and people lose trust in the administration of such, you get a legitimacy issue for the government, For many of us, especially for those of us with experience with heavily manipulated elections, this is where we are.

[Mike__M]

54. Kicking

And pointing out that Idle No More -- imported from Canada -- belongs on your list of civil unrest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Will include it when I get home

Editing from the phone sucks

[Beowulf]

56. Thanks, Nadine!

Well stated!

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. You welcome

[JudyM]

63. Great post. Because facts matter.

To many here, they don't. Sadly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. But as you can see above spelling does

I found that a reflection of the current state of affairs.

[JudyM]

66. Yup, noticed that. Any deflection, really, will do.

[antigop]

65. Thanks, nadin. K&R. They won't get it, though. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. I know

[antigop]

77. I've said this before and I will say it again...

Things have to get a lot worse before they will get better.

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. I agree with you

While large minorities are currently affected, there is a majority that is still in that propaganda induced stupor.

[antigop]

84. and there are still too many

1) who benefit from the status quo

2) who have not been burned (yet) by the status quo

[Mnpaul]

93. It seems to be worse

from those who watch the least trusted news source - cable news. Those who have cut the cable seem to be more aware of what is happening.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Well there is a reason for that

CNN had some breaking news, Chinese jets challenged US jets in the South China sea. that could lead to an actual hot war, Not very likely, at least not yet. They mentioned that as breaking news for about half an hour. Horse race before and after. I am betting that nice litttle jet incident is getting far more play on CNN-I

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36328464

Also with the horse race they don't have to worry about doing actual analysis.

So yes, the least attention you pay to that crap, the better you are.

[snowy owl]

76. Dem after dem on TV pleading unite the party but they don't get it . . . tired of them.

"Because these are also neo liberal policies. that are being implemented world wide,..."

This is the part of your post that people really don't get. Our billionaires and those fewer around the world will own and control the planet. It's not that big, folks. The elites and the semi-elites beneath them are isolated and the complacency of the technical and creative classes reflects people who no longer care. They are comfortable. Those of us in the service classes (teachers, social workers, white collar people and blue collar) and the bottom quintile who fill the fast food jobs and do the drudgery left over will be left behind completely. And anybody that works for government and does pretty well because those jobs are still unionized will see changes as well. There really is no end to the slow slide into poverty many of us will see in the coming years. I'm older and set. But you younger people middle age even have no idea what's coming in my opinion. I've already seen such change that if you saw it my eyes, you'd be equally passionate about Sanders. He is our only - your only - hope. That's truly how I see it.

And the largest group that keeps getting larger in poverty is children. Been going on a for a very long time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. It has been a long process

But hey what about the Kardashians? Even here, you got people trying to derail this particular discussion. They are now mr personal laughing relief. But they do not realize they are part of the problem

[larkrake]

111. thank you snowy for that touch of reality

[pmorlan1]

87. Great post Nadin

Forgive the people who only post in this thread to disrupt. They are only interested in the horse race that is going on. Once an election is won they quickly lose interest because they have no interest in what happens the day after the campaign. Governing is not as exciting to them as the fun they have spinning to win election contests. It's all about winning for them not what happens afterwards.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. If the other guy wins, they will suddenly become interested in policy

and poverty and social security... mark my words.

[carolinayellowdog]

95. a global perspective brings needed sanity

as a native of a fake democracy, you are warning us that our so-called democracy is fatal to real progress-- just like in so many other countries. Wish more people had "ears to hear!"

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Yes, and the US is reaching levels of corruption not seen since Tammany Hall

or the last great machine, Chicago.

[nolabels]

154. No, it's worse than that because most of those billionaires don't care if they fuck up the planet...

even worse in the process of getting what they feel is theirs.

And i would even pity them, they will be but just another small speed bump in the things that follow.

I don't think the lead balloon is going to fly either. Something about genetics that seem to hold true, that is of impetus and general nature of the offspring of the generations that follow. We are mostly in this country because our ancestors were malcontents that felt things would be better somewhere else. Well, we are at that somewhere else and there is no other place left to go

[Seeinghope]

98. Love this! Thank you!

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. You welcome

[PatrickforO]

103. Good post.

We need to revoke the Fed's charter, begin printing our own money and start doing things that make people's lives better as opposed to lining greedy, white, liver-spotted pockets. Profit IS a bad word if the need to 'earn' it is put above the welfare of the people.

[BillZBubb]

107. I enjoyed your post. Some really good points in there.

Something big is going on and this election is a skirmish over some of the issues. I believe it is the corporatization of the world. Nothing good has come from what has been done in the name of globalization, neo-liberalism, and neo-conservatism. Sure a lot of pockets have gotten lined, but for most US citizens it's been a ripoff.

The inequality numbers are staggering, as you said 1929 numbers. The New Deal really is dead and I think we know who did the deed.

[panader0]

108. Recommended--a fine post.

Your best work yet.

[dragonfly301]

113. You are always on my must read list

and this may be my favorite op of yours. I shared the Mexican saying that you quoted above in my family fb chat group - got thumbs up from every family member. Excellent work!

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. Thanks

[Dem2]

115. So negative

Anxiety is a bigger killer than what you're describing - I wish you'd be a little more productive in your negativity.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. I am actually positive that things will get much worst for the actual working and middle class

regardless of who gets elected. That is how positive I am. So how about addressing the points I raised? Oh never mind, policy is really hard. I am quite positive of that as well.

So with that, my how profound.

[Dem2]

118. Thanks

O/P is too long and grim and you argue every point into the weeds such that it's not worth the expenditure of my time. If I thought you were flexible in your thinking I'd expend the energy. I've had discussions with you in the past and just when I thought we were about to achieve some agreement, you stiffened right back up again and became inflexible. So, you are an intelligent person, but I don't need the stress in my life.

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. LMAO

agreed, so you might want to put me on ignore, I ignore none

[Dem2]

120. Sorry

You'll just have to put up with my critiques.

[ablamj]

122. Your critiques

of articles you won't read? Because they're too long and negative? WOW!!!

[Dem2]

123. Whoosh

[dwrjr]

155. Perfect

Skewer

[YvonneCa]

124. Pssst...

...Bernie coming to Kimball Park in NC on Saturday.

[nadinbrzezinski]

125. We did file for press credentials

late, and I mean late last night, or was that early this morning? The Clintnn event is in NC and as far as I know it is not open to the public

[YvonneCa]

126. Clinton in CV..

..at SWC is tentative I think. Bernie is taking reservations.

[YvonneCa]

128. Here..

http://map.berniesanders.com/

[nadinbrzezinski]

145. We got our media credentials tonight

and I am in the process of charging batteries, well have been all day

[YvonneCa]

157. Enjoy! Wish I could be there...

[YvonneCa]

129. ...

...http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2016/05/18/heres-how-to-rsvp-for-bernie-sanders-rally-here-saturday/

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. That is useful for regular attendees

but we filed as working press.

[KPN]

133. K & R!!!!!

" Oh, ... those threats never work. If you need to know why ... reread the whole thing." LOVE IT! Great post -- thank you!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

135. K & R, nadin, much higher quality content than you get from most here (myself included, lol). nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

136. Well it is a war for the soul of the coutry

and I see some of the folks who tried to divide and derail

[ChisolmTrailDem]

137. Yea, be careful of spewwing ewwors, my friend! The little kiddos might come out from...

...behind their spelling books and nail your ass to the wall!

Keep up the good work and keep showing those fart-sniffing smugmuffins a thing or two!

[nadinbrzezinski]

138. yes indeed

[emsimon33]

141. Exactly!

[emsimon33]

139. K&R Fabulous!

We have reached the tipping point. Hillary will attack all the hard issues within days of being elected: The safety net, including Social Security & Medicare; TPP, Keystone pipeline, fracking, etc. Most of those who voted for her will be shocked...SHOCKED. Cult of personality is never a good motivation for a voting preference.

I think that the smug and arrogant DNC, state parties, and the Hillary camp will be shocked at the exodus from the Party.

This nation was born from civil disobedience and it will be saved by the same. How violent that civil disobedience becomes depends on the likes of Hillary and her puppet masters.

The giant has awakened and it is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. It is Us, the people. This time, we need to claw back wealth and imprison the psychopaths that have gotten us here and that includes politicians.

[nadinbrzezinski]

140. The anger is real

[creeksneakers2]

148. I was really wondering

what you were talking about in our previous discussion when you said things being much bigger than this election. I'm glad you explained that here.

I take what you write seriously because there is so much anger out there now. Unfortunately, there is just as much anger on the other side, who want to take away all benefits for the poor. They've chosen to go to war by nominating Trump. Both sides share one objective, to get rid of the establishment.

If the new order takes over they'll learn what honest people in the establishment already know - there are no simple solutions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

149. My opinion is that policy is hard

But our press in general treats the readers like children and does not even attempt to explain this. Why most people, on both sides mind you, think in bumper stickers sayings. Regardless of who gets elected they soon learn the nitty gritty is different from telling voters back home about farts and unicorns. And in many cases, like my friend the distinguished gentleman from Texas, Mr Goemert, never get the nitty gritty. They are simply incapable.

But the people are angry. They vote for outsiders trying to recapture some good from the government. They are trying a peaceful revolution and recapture it from the oligarchs. If they decide to go the other route, out of nothing more to lose, all bets are off.


And as an aside...Oh goodie. Cooler weather...covering the Sanders rally tomorrow and god it was hot last time around. I was dying.

Tom has never been to a rally. So we are doing Bernie tomorrow.

[Scuba]

142. K&R

[countryjake]

143. Brava, Nadin!

Brava!

[JDPriestly]

144. I've been talking to a lot of college students. They love Bernie like we loved JFK.

Their love for Bernie and his views on the issues is not going to go away whether he wins or not.

I'm looking forward to voting for Bernie in California.

Let's get the biggest showing of support for him and his ideas that we can possibly get.

Feel the Bern!

We donated some more money today.

If you haven't met your limit yet, please send what you can. We want Bernie to be able to go to the convention with all our support.

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. I am press I have not donated money to any pol

since 2008 and will not do it now.

But we are covering sanders tomorrow, and just asked for our credentials for the trump rally. (I expect not to get in, but I called the man a fascist in print.. so I expect to be properly ignored)
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As to the rest, yup, he has taken on that aura of a new age JFK

[Zorra]

147. K&R^

[barrow-wight]

150. It's not just an election.

It's an extravaganza!

[Scootaloo]

152. "You have no idea of the quiet desperation and anger out there." - that's the damn truth, innit?

And it's pretty clear from several posters in this thread... they're not even trying to be subtle about turning the US caste system against forward movement towards equality. It's the last string on their fiddle and they are playing it for all they can get out of it.

[democrank]

156. Class struggle

$250,000.00 speeches vs. unemployment lines, for example