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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:25 PM May 2016

Excusing Doxxing and Death Threats And Mob Behavior Is Disgusting

And chairs thrown is IRRELEVANT to that.

The Sanders supporters who made those threatening calls due to the doxxing were recorded.

Jezebel even called a few of them.

They don't deny what they did nor that they are Sanders supporters.

So the fact Sanders doesn't condemn this proves how unfit for leadership he is.

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Excusing Doxxing and Death Threats And Mob Behavior Is Disgusting (Original Post) KittyWampus May 2016 OP
" Correct the Record" at work. NWCorona May 2016 #1
Anna Merlan is a very vocal and ardent Bernie supporter obamanut2012 May 2016 #66
I read the jewel site quite often than you. NWCorona May 2016 #72
Is there any evidence this altercation even happened in the manner its claimed? Baobab May 2016 #100
yeah yeah. We know your hourly meme by now. riversedge May 2016 #82
+1, the chair was picked up into the air is violent enough... they're justifying thug life behavior uponit7771 May 2016 #2
A chair got picked up! AgingAmerican May 2016 #5
...and a persons life and kids were given death threats and vandolism and misoginy but all that's uponit7771 May 2016 #6
Where are the arrests? aspirant May 2016 #9
all thugish, wingerish, violent actions warrant arrest!? really?!? uponit7771 May 2016 #16
Are death threats a crime? aspirant May 2016 #34
Not a lawyer uponit7771 May 2016 #60
Get fucking real. frylock May 2016 #67
No arrests because no crimes committed AgingAmerican May 2016 #96
They are Ash_F May 2016 #113
Nothing happened - Hillary surrogates made up the whole thing AgingAmerican May 2016 #95
Where are the arrests and charges? Police reports? AgingAmerican May 2016 #15
all thugish, wingerish, violent actions warrant arrest!? really?!? uponit7771 May 2016 #17
Um...yes? Dr. Strange May 2016 #33
Like vaporizing innocent children in a war for profit. maybelline jombi May 2016 #55
Then Sanders shouldn't support it by funding the wars uponit7771 May 2016 #62
How about Hillary? She's done a hell of a lot more than vote to fund after troops have been put in merrily May 2016 #78
Welcome to DU rbrnmw May 2016 #106
thank you maybelline jombi May 2016 #107
Yes, the actions you describe up are all serious felonies AgingAmerican May 2016 #99
it's irrelevant to the mob behavior, doxxing and multiple violent threats. KittyWampus May 2016 #18
Please post the police reports AgingAmerican May 2016 #19
either you are truly in denial or you are trying to goad me into getting a hide... KittyWampus May 2016 #26
Post the non existant police reports, or continue having your sad AgingAmerican May 2016 #30
Apparently, FACTS are irrelevant, too...keep catapulting that propaganda, though. AzDar May 2016 #58
You're saying that as if the chair were simply picked up to be moved griffi94 May 2016 #39
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #63
That's no less a threat than if they had picked up a club or a rock, yeah? procon May 2016 #89
"thug life" you mean like "superpredators made to heel" aspirant May 2016 #7
Sanders supporters just raise chairs in the air, call people bitch, doxx, leave death threats and... uponit7771 May 2016 #11
Are they both "thugs" or just drug dealers aspirant May 2016 #13
if you don't like "thugs" try "immature, violence-prone losers". KittyWampus May 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #31
Ooohhhh... LexVegas May 2016 #38
Yesterday you claimed there was a riot with chairs and punches thrown AgingAmerican May 2016 #101
why the dog whistles -you equate Bernie supporters to this? azurnoir May 2016 #8
Hillaryious Depaysement May 2016 #127
Where are the arrests? aspirant May 2016 #3
Yes, I want these people thoroughly investigated! xynthee May 2016 #40
yes, and where are the recordings? hopemountain May 2016 #51
So by that logic Henry Kissenger isn't a war criminal. Agschmid May 2016 #74
By that comparison aspirant May 2016 #90
Election fraud is disgusting AgingAmerican May 2016 #4
You saying election fraud Eko May 2016 #42
Election fraud is far worse. kiva May 2016 #45
So far it seems Eko May 2016 #92
It's tanamount to blaming a rape victim for "asking for it" bluestateguy May 2016 #10
have you ever been raped? hopemountain May 2016 #52
That's really none of your damn business bluestateguy May 2016 #94
well, i have and this is why it is my business hopemountain May 2016 #108
BlueStateGuy is correct. Good people do Hortensis May 2016 #115
bluestateguy is correct in hopemountain May 2016 #125
but excusing Hillary's war vote is just fine. Broward May 2016 #12
and the FBI investigation which is about hopemountain May 2016 #56
Spot on Depaysement May 2016 #128
I Highly Doubt DarkScholar82 May 2016 #14
The Sanders Campaign is officially accused by Hortensis May 2016 #116
So the Nevada State Democratic Party choie May 2016 #20
Seeding instability in sovereign nations and bombing for regime change and empire is disgusting too. PufPuf23 May 2016 #21
As is a man who loves Clinton being arrested for assaulting a woman who supports Sanders arcane1 May 2016 #22
What a Brock crock of shit. nt. polly7 May 2016 #23
playback is no hitch? reddread May 2016 #24
k&r bigtree May 2016 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #27
To Bernie-bros, a chair's rights and safety are more important than Democratic women in leadership. CrowCityDem May 2016 #29
Yes it is rbrnmw May 2016 #32
Every single person who broke the law should be prosecuted My Good Babushka May 2016 #35
No one believes you should give up your ideology, Hortensis May 2016 #117
So is lying about what happened and pretending to be indignant about it Ferd Berfel May 2016 #36
I don't believe it G_j May 2016 #37
What, at the convention? auntpurl May 2016 #44
phone threats? G_j May 2016 #46
Well, there's this. auntpurl May 2016 #48
Ethan sounds unhinged, possibly mentally ill G_j May 2016 #49
He self-identifies as a Bernie supporter. auntpurl May 2016 #50
doesn't really prove anything G_j May 2016 #54
and you were there, right, auntpurl? hopemountain May 2016 #59
Of course not. auntpurl May 2016 #61
"i'm pretty sure they were bernie supporters" hopemountain May 2016 #68
My full statement was auntpurl May 2016 #70
They were Hillary plants, paid for by Brock. It's been planned for months. TwilightZone May 2016 #98
God, I am really glad you added your last statement. auntpurl May 2016 #109
Yes, I've been running down this thread putting Hortensis May 2016 #118
Do you know what, I might do that too. auntpurl May 2016 #121
Oh my goodness, this is AMAZING. auntpurl May 2016 #123
Yeah, it ended up being a little too authentic. lol TwilightZone May 2016 #122
"I am still confused by your query." MrMickeysMom May 2016 #102
The response to this disturbing behavior Bobbie Jo May 2016 #41
ikr?! It's unconscionable that people are demanding evidence of these claims. frylock May 2016 #71
Yeah Bobbie Jo May 2016 #75
How about a police report for threatening violence? frylock May 2016 #81
Deflect Bobbie Jo May 2016 #83
No police report filed. frylock May 2016 #86
Thanks for the demonstration. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #87
I'm here to help. frylock May 2016 #88
Deflect Bobbie Jo May 2016 #91
Reports.. frylock May 2016 #93
+1000, Bobbie Jo. Hortensis May 2016 #120
Bullshit ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #43
Excusing autocratic behavior is even more disgusting. hobbit709 May 2016 #47
Smearing of Sanders occurred by the nasty and threatening phone calls, those responsible have Thinkingabout May 2016 #53
The Doxxing was real--I saw it myself--and I condemn that. Blue Meany May 2016 #57
was it real ? I googled the numbers azurnoir May 2016 #65
Party leaders and officeholders have made themselves public figures-- John Poet May 2016 #111
FRAUD is disgusting and stealing democracy hopemountain May 2016 #64
I am fully behind the arrest of anyone who made death threats. frylock May 2016 #69
Exactly. The Sandroids are just trying to deflect. The reason we believe the chair throwing account anotherproletariat May 2016 #73
It is so distressing to see this on a Democratic board mcar May 2016 #76
So....which candidate has a supporter were arrested for assault again? jeff47 May 2016 #77
How many times is Sanders supposed to condemn his supporters? And when will Hillary do the same? merrily May 2016 #79
Sanders did not do condemn the supports--just made a statement condeming violence in riversedge May 2016 #80
Weeks ago, he chastised his supporters and now he condemned violence THAT DID NOT OCCUR ANYWAY. merrily May 2016 #85
Do you have link to any source of police report of these death threats? TimPlo May 2016 #84
Just fighting Brock's army. nt silvershadow May 2016 #97
It sure is, and I wish Hillary supporters would stop doing it Android3.14 May 2016 #103
At a certain point you just have to step back and say this is wrong. ucrdem May 2016 #104
you are OBVIOUSLY a TOOL OF THE ANTI-CHRIST (That's Hillary Clinton for the 'clueless' creeps) Bill USA May 2016 #105
PFFFFFFT X 1 brazillion!! Bonobo May 2016 #110
He only threatened them with a chair. NCTraveler May 2016 #112
per rolling stone, one of these cretins quit his "corporate" job to work for the sanders campaign. boston bean May 2016 #114
+1000 Blue_Tires May 2016 #119
The Phone Messages were Disgusting, especially as they came from people that were not there. Xyzse May 2016 #124
Making up lies is disgusting behavior notadmblnd May 2016 #126

obamanut2012

(26,049 posts)
66. Anna Merlan is a very vocal and ardent Bernie supporter
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

Any regular Jezebel reader knows that.

Your accusation is an epic fail.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
100. Is there any evidence this altercation even happened in the manner its claimed?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Keep in mind that the MSM is desperate for an excuse to write off some very real issues with a distraction.

If one doesn't exist, they often are manufactured. I am not saying this one undoubtedly is, but to date I have not seen any evidence this supposed incident happened.

IS there any?

On the other hand- read this. This is pretty incredible that they have covered this up!

The potential impact of the World Trade Organization's general agreement on trade in services on health system reform and regulation in the United States

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
6. ...and a persons life and kids were given death threats and vandolism and misoginy but all that's
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

... funny to the bros...


Typical thugs

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
95. Nothing happened - Hillary surrogates made up the whole thing
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

To divert attention from the election fraud committed in Nevada in Hillary's name.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
78. How about Hillary? She's done a hell of a lot more than vote to fund after troops have been put in
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

harm's way by someone else.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
19. Please post the police reports
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

Thanks in advance!

You guys are simply trying to cover up election fraud, and it will bite your candidate and our party in the ass in the end. But you just don't care.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
26. either you are truly in denial or you are trying to goad me into getting a hide...
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

either way your posts are just sad.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
39. You're saying that as if the chair were simply picked up to be moved
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

Instead of used to threaten someone.

Why was the chair even picked up.

A threat is a threat.

procon

(15,805 posts)
89. That's no less a threat than if they had picked up a club or a rock, yeah?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

Your moral compass needs some serious adjustments if you're actually trying to defend violent people who engage acts of intimidation and threats to physically harm another person. It doesn't matter what object was going to be used as a weapon, it was the intention behind the act itself.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
11. Sanders supporters just raise chairs in the air, call people bitch, doxx, leave death threats and...
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

... vandalize buildings.

But they don't sell drugs so they don't need to be brought to "heel" :rolleyes:

Response to KittyWampus (Reply #28)

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
101. Yesterday you claimed there was a riot with chairs and punches thrown
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

Today a chair was 'raised'.



Tomorrow? Impure thoughts were thunk? lol

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. why the dog whistles -you equate Bernie supporters to this?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

Thug Life
THUG LIFE
1) acronym for "The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everyone". This acronyn was made popular by American rap artist 2Pac.
2) The Codes Of Thug Life where a set of codes written by 2Pac. The codes where designed to give order to the rise of gang violence and drug dealing. It made certain immoral actions, against the code which, would become a code of the street.
These codes where signed by heads from the Bloods and Crips at a peace treaty picnic called the Truc Picnic, in California in 1992.
3) Thug Life was a rap group formed by 2Pac which consisted of him and 4 others: Mopreme, Macadoshis, Big Syke, and The Rated R
After 2Pac was imprisoned on rape allegations the rappers would disband. Some would regroup after 2Pac's release and signing with Death Row Records and form the beginning of rap group called Tha Outlawz.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thug%20Life

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
127. Hillaryious
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:28 AM
May 2016

"The chair was picked up into the air is violent enough"

Some of us here who fought and served find that amusing.

xynthee

(477 posts)
40. Yes, I want these people thoroughly investigated!
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

Have they filed police reports? If the police won't investigate, why not? How about some private investigators? We must figure out who these people are and find out if they're a credible threat. Just because someone says, "I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm going to cut you up into tiny bits," it doesn't prove he or she is a Bernie supporter.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
51. yes, and where are the recordings?
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

whom did they call and how is it they were all recorded and jezebel was able to "trace" their numbers or have them i.d.'d?

hmmmm. i call bullshit.

hillary and the dnc are thieves.

Eko

(7,272 posts)
42. You saying election fraud
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

is as bad as saying a chair that was picked up over the head is throwing it.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
10. It's tanamount to blaming a rape victim for "asking for it"
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

And that's what we have some people doing here at DU.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
52. have you ever been raped?
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

it is not the same as being defrauded. and in no way is there any comparison to "blaming the victim".

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
125. bluestateguy is correct in
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

as you say, hortensis. "blaming the victim" would have sufficed. the distinction to "rape" set me off.

DarkScholar82

(6 posts)
14. I Highly Doubt
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

that most people who support Bernie Sanders would endorse death threats, and I personally hope those who made the threats are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Threats made after the fact, however, do not excuse the blatant manipulation of the rules and abuse of power by the Nevada Democratic Party leadership, and I hope that Bernie Sanders and his supporters continue to call them on it.

BTW, the thrown chairs allegation is not irrelevant. If someone claims a certain type of violence took place, and then it becomes clear it didn't happen, it undermines their credibility.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
116. The Sanders Campaign is officially accused by
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

the Nevada State Democratic Party of planning and directing the actions of its delegates at the convention and also of deliberately deceiving them into believing they were being cheated.

What you have posted about the NSDP is a furthering of those lies, which have been disproved and reported as disproved by numerous analysts.

Further the issue here isn't a chair being thrown, it is the egregious, ruthless and unprincipled behavior of the Sanders Campaign and their abuse of the trust of those who believed in them.

choie

(4,107 posts)
20. So the Nevada State Democratic Party
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

releases a dropbox with the texts and messages to the public...and we are supposed to take it on face value that those calls were actually made by Sanders supporters? Cut the crap -- unfortunately for Clinton and her fans, David Brock's attempts at ratfucking on behalf of the campaign is well known, as is the DNC and state parties' collusion with Clinton. I am not believing anything about this bullshit story.

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
21. Seeding instability in sovereign nations and bombing for regime change and empire is disgusting too.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

More disgusting.

You are deliberately and dishonestly making a mountain out of a molehill to smear Sanders and antiwar liberals.

Some unbalanced individuals have bad behavior, they are very much a minority.

Consider that the antiwar liberals that support Sanders are the peace-loving hippies that are so convenient to punch and scape goat.

You may not be directly involved but are none the less a tool of a Machiavellian politic cascading through discourse.

You project. You find isolated seeds in the opposition and blow the seeds up to justify your own actions and smear the even though the actions and rhetoric better describe tactics initiated and characteristic of your side of the political chasm.

Defining and projecting a twisted reality is what neo-liberals and neo-conservatives do, it is what they are.

Some like Rove and Brock brag about their skill while demeaning their targets.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
22. As is a man who loves Clinton being arrested for assaulting a woman who supports Sanders
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

I can't wait for Hillary and her sycophants to speak out against that.

Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
35. Every single person who broke the law should be prosecuted
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

But that is an invalid reason for demanding that one of two competing ideologies give up.
Sometimes sports fans riot, but we don't cancel all of sports and say we should only have one team from now on.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
117. No one believes you should give up your ideology,
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

because most of us share it. We do not believe that people should support what Bernie Sanders and his campaign did in Nevada, a worse but similar version to previous dishonest manipulations in other states. If I were a supporter and hoped to be able to continue, I would be writing him and making it clear that trying to manipulate us lying about cheating that never happened has to stop.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
36. So is lying about what happened and pretending to be indignant about it
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

Hartmann had 2 eye witnesses on the show today

You can get the podcast and hear it.

Basically This is an attempt to swiftboat Bernies supporters to keep them out of the convention

One of the guests is DNC (and a Bernie Supporter) and she told the story of her father, also there, and a Clinton Supporter and a former Super Delegate who tore up his ballot and left because of the Crap that the Nevada Chair and Party was pulling

BOth guests said the convention was rigged



Boxer Trolling at the convention and doing what she can to enrage people.

https://www.facebook.com/seanaldenfitzgerald/videos/1734291036812104/

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
50. He self-identifies as a Bernie supporter.
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

You asked was there any proof it was Bernie supporters.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
59. and you were there, right, auntpurl?
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

you saw them with your own eyes all the way from your british flag.sure, you did.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
61. Of course not.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

I don't even understand your post. Are you alleging the people at the convention who were screaming abuse weren't Bernie supporters?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
70. My full statement was
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

"At the convention? I'm pretty sure they were Bernie supporters."

Because, well, they WERE Bernie supporters. They were at the convention. In the room. Supporting Bernie.

I am still confused by your query.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
98. They were Hillary plants, paid for by Brock. It's been planned for months.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

They pretended to be Sanders supporters at the local and county levels, and continued the charade until the state convention, where they acted like neanderthals to make the Sanders camp look bad.

Note: this is, of course, sarcasm. It is, however, also necessary to state that because it's nearly indistinguishable from assertions being made on DU and elsewhere.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
109. God, I am really glad you added your last statement.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:21 AM
May 2016

Sincerely. It is not nearly as far out of the realm of possibility as anyone would hope, that some Bernie supporters on DU would make that argument.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
118. Yes, I've been running down this thread putting
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

willful idiots and hostiles on "ignore" (I've finally had too much!) and had to back up and restore Twilight.

Btw, I've never put anyone on ignore before, much less dozens, and all of a sudden all these rational people who were hidden in the crowd are right there...talking to each other. Amazing. Had no idea there were so many, or how short and pleasant noxious threads would suddenly become with just the first half dozen toxic personalities gone.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
121. Do you know what, I might do that too.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

At least until this primary is over. I don't need the aggro. Thanks for the inspiration!

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
123. Oh my goodness, this is AMAZING.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

DU without the bile! I am totally leaving it like this until after the primaries. THANK YOU.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
122. Yeah, it ended up being a little too authentic. lol
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

I wrote it and thought, hmm, I should probably note that I'm joking.

I know what you mean, though. Without the sarcasm, it's just another day on DU.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
41. The response to this disturbing behavior
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

tends to fall within one, or a combination of these three categories:

1. Defend: Fraud! People were angry! Standing up for their rights! Activists! They deserved it! Cheaters!

2. Deflect: What about this? What about that? Prove it! Because Hillary! Because DWS! Where's the police report? Brock!! Wendell Pierce! War!! It was HER supporters!

3. Minimize: Picked up a chair! LOL! The chair! The cry baby chair! Big Deal, so what.... There was NO CHAIR! It was just words! PC Police!

I'm not seeing much in the way of; THIS WAS
SO WRONG...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
71. ikr?! It's unconscionable that people are demanding evidence of these claims.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

Who the fuck do these people think they are?!!

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
75. Yeah
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

I saw plenty. Pictures, text messages, audio, video, witness accounts, news stories.

"B****," "C***," death threats, doxing, etc...



Now what?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
81. How about a police report for threatening violence?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Then the police can track down the callers and arrest them. Isn't that typically what happens when a crime is committed?

That's what.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
91. Deflect
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

It wouldn't matter, anyway. It happened, and it was wrong. Period.

You want to try defend and minimize next? You have deflect down cold.

Carry on...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
93. Reports..
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

Where are they? Crimes were committed. Threatening calls were made across state lines. That falls under the category of terroristic threats. We need to get to the bottom of this and ensure these dangerous people are dealt with. So... were police reports ever filed?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
53. Smearing of Sanders occurred by the nasty and threatening phone calls, those responsible have
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

smeared the reputation of Sanders and then his failure to quickly address this incident has only added more smear. It is on Sanders and his supporters.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
57. The Doxxing was real--I saw it myself--and I condemn that.
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

There definitely was no actual violence, just false allegations of it made to juice up the story in the press. The closest to violence was someone grabbing someone elses credentials and the first someone giving chasing and grabbing it bad. And I don't know who was involved in that on either side.

I think the death threats and hostile messages are real, because they were received by one of Bernie's leading supporters too, in the days leading up to the Convention, and she chalked it up the culture of the Nevada Democratic Party. But she said the hostility was usually just directed at grassroots activists and not party leaders.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
65. was it real ? I googled the numbers
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

both came up as belonging to the Nevada Democratic party the address I'm not sure about

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
111. Party leaders and officeholders have made themselves public figures--
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:38 AM
May 2016

I see nothing wrong whatsoever with posting information about them which is already available to anyone who wants it.

Making threats of violence is of course out of bounds, but the individuals involved bear responsibility for their own actions.

Being made to receive complaints about your public actions, however, is part of having made yourself a public figure-- even if the calls are made to your home.

As Hillary supporters have been fond of telling me, 'Politics ain't beanbag'. Fine.

If they can't take the heat, they should stay out of the kitchen.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
64. FRAUD is disgusting and stealing democracy
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

and conspiring to disenfranchise voters is disgusting. get your "disgusts" in order.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
69. I am fully behind the arrest of anyone who made death threats.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

Can you please link to the story regarding the reports filed and the ongoing investigations?

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
73. Exactly. The Sandroids are just trying to deflect. The reason we believe the chair throwing account
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

is that it completely consistent with everything else that we've seen since it has been clear that Sanders lost.

He can't accept reality and keeps telling flat out lies to his fanatics to keep them fired up. Yeah...totally want him as president.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
77. So....which candidate has a supporter were arrested for assault again?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

Oh wait...doesn't fit the narrative. Carry on with the Dean Scream....I mean Vegas Riot.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
79. How many times is Sanders supposed to condemn his supporters? And when will Hillary do the same?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

So far, the only actual violence and arrest was her supporter.

riversedge

(70,174 posts)
80. Sanders did not do condemn the supports--just made a statement condeming violence in
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

in general. Then had the gall to excuse it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
85. Weeks ago, he chastised his supporters and now he condemned violence THAT DID NOT OCCUR ANYWAY.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

I don't believe he excused violence. I think that's pure spin from your side. Almost every post I've read today from a Hillary supporter has been a half truth at best.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
84. Do you have link to any source of police report of these death threats?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

I could not find any. Please don't tell me you are so gullible to just take what is said with out seeing some source of it.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
103. It sure is, and I wish Hillary supporters would stop doing it
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

Along with lying. If Hillary supporters ended that, it would be ethical and pro-democracy as well.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
104. At a certain point you just have to step back and say this is wrong.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

And making threats and scoffing at Boxer for saying she felt threatened are just wrong.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
110. PFFFFFFT X 1 brazillion!!
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

You think there weren't people throughout history that had the same attitude as you when there was kickback against corrupt systems of power?

Better strap in. Because if more people fall into poverty as I expect they will, it will get a fuckload uglier.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
112. He only threatened them with a chair.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

It pathetic as to how far they go. Just like the healthcare pic. Look at Bernie standing behind her as she leads and helps millions gain access to healthcare. I told you he was there. No... Look in the background.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
124. The Phone Messages were Disgusting, especially as they came from people that were not there.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

At least, that is what we are being told by news media.

Doing such a thing is inexcusable.

As for reports of violence within the caucus. The most I have seen was a chair lifted, and then dropped down again, not thrown. Much of it is hearsay, and no videos shown. I can imagine people shouting and getting mad, though in regards to actual violence, I did not see much of.

What is seen however is the process looking unfair and illegitimate, which is not being addressed other than saying, "No, it was fair". Unfortunately, there are people that I know who were actually there.

So, let me add something here from a friend of mine who I trust which is experience from someone who was there in Nevada.

"The Nevada Democratic Committee, despite their commitment to remain neutral, was incapable of fairness or competency. They came up with temporary rules and summarily voted them in, despite a clear divide in the room over this motion. These new rules suspended existing National Democrat Party Rules and basically gave supreme power to the party chair, Roberta Lange, who abused it at every step, pushing through her preferred motions and ignoring any other amendments or motions from the floor. We began calling this "Roberta's Rules of Order."

When half the room began to contest the early morning motions and attempt to make counter motions from the floor, they turned down the lights and turned up the music, eventually showing a video about President Obama, all in an attempt to silence the voices of dissent. The rapid fire motions of the chair and subsequent disregard for any oppositional voices set the stage for a very contentious day.

Senator Barbara Boxer was slated to speak on behalf of Secretary Clinton as was Senator Nina Turner for Senator Sanders. Senator Boxer was not treated respectfully, nor did she handle herself with dignity as she touted Secretary Clinton's record, several dozen Sanders delegates booed her. In lieu of gracefully handling this like the pro-politician she is, she devolved into hurling insults at all the Sanders supporters in the room, 90% of whom were undeserving of her ire.

She called us childish, rude and unpatriotic. It was a perfect example of how when pushed, taking the low road of condescension and defensiveness leads to insulting an entire class of people, instead of deftly addressing the handful of delegates who were acting like assholes.

Senator Turner took the high road and started her speech by telling everyone to be more respectful and come together around the common goals we all share for a better country. She was incredibly inspiring and positive.

About 8 hours into the convention, the chair disappeared and was missing for over four hours. During this time, in lieu of pushing through the agenda and voting for all party positions and national delegates, the party kept delaying the process and hinting that we were running out of the time allotted for renting the casino's convention hall, yet they didn't respond by attempting to actually work through the remaining agenda items.

At first it seemed like incompetency, but it became clear that it was a calculated maneuver, after such a long day, most of the Clinton delegates had left, and the party didn't want Sanders delegates, most of whom had stayed, to influence platform votes or call for a standing recount.

On the issue of the recount: The National Democratic Party rules allow for a motion to perform a standing recount. We were already divided up in the room by Presidential preference, so this would have been an easy task. It was especially justified since after the realignment period, the delegate count was reported to be 1695 for Clinton and 1662 for Sanders. This slight delegate difference would result in a net difference of up to 4 national delegates in Clinton's favor (at-large and PLEOs). Every National Delegate counts.

About the official delegate count: there was a minority report, by a member of the committee tasked with verifying the delegate math, which the committee leaders tried to block from being presented publicly. It was quite a heated argument onstage between the chair and the committee member. When the floor delegates protested to allow her to speak, a sympathetic committee member used their standing to allow the report to be read. This minority report revealed that over 60 sanders delegates had been denied their delegate badges due to an "inability to find their information and confirm their eligibility." It stated in no uncertain terms that these delegates were not given the opportunity to prove their identity/eligibility and were summarily barred from the convention.

With the delegate math split so tight and due to the party chairs trying to block this information from the public, it became very clear that they wanted to keep the numbers in Clinton's favor. I'm not prone to conspiracy theories. this was straight up disenfranchisement of the barred delegates and a blatant move to tilt the national delegates to the party chair's preferred candidate. (not to mention that the convention was scheduled on the same day as UNLV's graduation, prohibiting an expected 150ish elected sanders delegates from attending.)

An interesting moment came when a delegate on the floor rose to speak about the proposed party platform, which we were all to vote on. For the most part, the platform was well-written, proposing very progressive priorities for the state party around gender, ethnic, sexual, economic and other demographic diversity. However, there was a small proposed amendment regarding state election priorities and the future of super-delegates. This person who stood to speak on the motion revealed that she is in fact one of the state super-delegates and moved to amend the state party platform to push for eliminating future national super-delegates. the convention floor LOVED this proposal, even getting cheers from some of the Clinton delegates. This did not go over well with the committee and the proposed amendment was ignored.

In another attempt to stall for time, so that the party could avoid any unwanted motions from the floor, they brought up candidates for congressional district 3 to give speeches about their candidacy. The move backfired. it turned out that two of the candidates are "Bernie-crats" and at the end of their speeches, one of them motioned for a recount. This caught the committee off-guard and the floor delegates began sitting in their chairs to be counted.

Within minutes, the state chair, who had vanished for over four hours stormed up onstage and like a 5-year old in a tantrum motioned to allow the party (instead of the convention delegates) to select the national delegates and to close the convention. She didn't even wait for the overwhelming "nay" vote from the floor, slammed the gavel down and stormed off the stage. Her fellow committee leaders were shocked. They just stood there stunned like the rest of us, wondering what the hell had just happened. The floor was LIVID. The party chair had clearly been backstage planning this and had the police ready, who escorted the committee members out and told everyone to leave or be arrested. End of convention.

There was no chair throwing or violence as has been repeatedly stated in various media reports. (there was a single, near-empty water bottle thrown at the end.) and there was no altercation with police, other than stern warnings to go home or be arrested. In fact, the head of security for the Paris hotel was extremely calm and patient with the room full of shocked and angry delegates. In fact, one of the candidates for congressional district 3 got up again to urge everyone to leave peacefully, promising that everything possible would be done to address what had happened.
Protests were scheduled at state democratic headquarters. This will likely have serious repercussions for the future of the state party, not to mention the thousands of delegates, staff and volunteers who were stripped of their voice and robbed of all our hard work and dedication. Clinton delegates left quite frustrated (both with the convention process and with a few dozen very rowdy/rude sanders delegates). Sanders delegates (the large majority of whom were very peaceful and committed to a fair process) left EXTREMELY angry.

Although I've been keenly aware of the state party establishment's bias for Clinton, I didn't expect such a blatant abuse of power and left sorely disappointed.

The "Bernie or Bust" movement just got a huge boost from the very officials elected to grow and keep the party united. Throughout the day, I spoke with many delegates about the importance of this election, especially in a swing state like Nevada, and it became clear that many Nevadans for Bernie would strongly consider holding their noses for Clinton in the general. after today, that is much less likely.

Also, the NV State delegation to the national convention is left in limbo, as we never got around to electing the delegates. (I was actually one of several dozen candidates for district and at-large national delegate. would have been cool to attend the national convention in Philly.) It's a shame, as so many dedicated Clinton and Sanders supporters spent months working tirelessly for their respective candidates only to have their hard work and hopes of representing their candidate at the national convention smashed by the disgraceful actions of a few corrupt party officials.

Multiple reports have come out that party chair, Roberta Lange, has since received a large volume of angry and often violent text and voice messages from angry Bernie supporters who published her personal phone number on social media. some of them were threats of violence to her and her family. this is completely unacceptable and those who made them should be shamed of themselves and held to account.

These despicable actions by Bernie bros on the internet in no way, however, excuse her own despicable behavior to those of us peacefully engaging in the political process. There will be an opportunity to join with other Bernie-crats to influence the NV Democratic central committee and hopefully ensure the ouster of the party chair. She's not the only problem, but her shameful abuse of power demands that she be held accountable.

After all is said and done, I will keep volunteering for senator sanders and help get out the vote in other remaining states. I will also be helping the campaigns of some of the truly progressive congressional candidates in Nevada. as disgusted as I feel after this trampling on the democratic process, the political revolution has never been about just the white house. I made a short speech during the congressional district break out, where I urged everyone to channel their passions and keep it going for local and state races. that's where real change is going to begin..."


Holy Heck, that was much longer than I expected...
I apologize.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
126. Making up lies is disgusting behavior
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

continuing to post them once they've been debunked is even more disgusting.

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