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Metric System

(6,048 posts)
1. General election polls mean little this far out. Sanders' numbers are better mainly because he hasn'
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

been attacked by Republicans. Hell, Hillary has barely touched him compared to the 2008 primary battle.

RogueTrooper

(4,665 posts)
18. This is very true
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

Despite the animosity between the online supporters the actual mud slinging between the candidates and their surrogates has been pretty tame this time round. 92, 2000, 04 and 08 all had their fair share of inter candidate mendacity but this time round, not so much.

Wait till the General election and the Republicans bring up his time palling around with the Sandinistas; promoting child pornography or his campaign's ignoring campaign donation limits and accepting donations from foreign nationals.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. But it's HER turn...
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

...even if it means a loss, and a down-ticket bloodbath. Pretty stupid to nominate such an unpopular and polarizing candidate, but then the DNClinton isn't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer...just the most crooked.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
4. But people voted for her a lot more than Bernie. Why do Bernie people always leave that
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

out? Do you not care? Do you not know? Please explain.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
7. Because they think they are better than everybody else.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

Because they think they are better than everybody else and arrogate to themselves the right to disregard everybody else's voice. I watch the rallies and if they are going to be the vanguards of the revolution they should hit the books and the gym, not necessarily in that order.


In that vein I have a question. If your interlocutor is so high and mighty why he is descending from Mount Olympus to argue with us plebeians?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. More people have voted for Trump than Clinton.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

You do realize that Indrpendants outnumber both Republicsns and Democrats, and dislike Trump AND Clinton? But hey, let's nominate a candidate with historically low favorability ratings. Just goes to show that just because party leadership is adept at being bought by corporate $, doesn't mean they're particularly smart.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
13. Not for the Democratic nominee, and I don't think that's true overall.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:33 PM
May 2016

So what do you think should happen now? Superdelegates nominate Bernie even though Hillary has more votes and delegates?

madamesilverspurs

(15,798 posts)
3. Actually, latest polls show Hillary also beats Trump.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

Bernie's numbers (at present) are higher, but the only poll favoring Trump is Rasmussen (no surprise there).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
8. An old Rasmussen poll at that
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

And Rasmussen is known for being terrible and having a signicant republican slant. Most of the other polls that are thrown around here as proof of Clintons weakness are random online only polls.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
5. Clinton is up by quite a bit
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:20 PM
May 2016

Not bad considering she is running against 2 people at once. All we have seen is a slight bump recently for Trump due to winning the nomination. Sanders is able to seem above the fray kind of candidate because no one is actively launching major attacks against him. Trump, even with getting a bump from winning the nomination and consolidating republican support is still only polling in the upper 30s. Once Clinton wins and starts to consolidate democratic support, she will shoot back up above her current 6ish point lead.

kentuck

(111,051 posts)
6. It will take both to beat Trump.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

Neither one of them will beat Trump on their own, in my opinion. IF they do not find a way to join forces, a loss would cause a very serious split, perhaps permanently, in the Democratic Party. We must find the way to compromise.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. How can anyone seriously consider voting for Trump?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

It's mind-boggling that these people are out there in such large numbers.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
12. Meaningless
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:33 PM
May 2016

And will mean less than nothing to the supers. Bernie can't even convince the Democrats to vote for him in a primary.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. I see Sanders as stronger against the entire Republican field *except* Trump
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:51 AM
May 2016

Sanders concedes Trump's framing that America use to be awesome and isn't anymore and needs to be made awesome again. Once we do that, the incumbent party can't win. Kasich or even Rubio could put away Clinton but would have trouble with Sanders; I don't think Sanders can beat Trump.

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