2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat a sad and pathetic legacy Sanders will leave
He could have gone out gracefully and he could have used his progressive message to unify the party but no
He will be remembered as a bitter and resentful socialist that helped to further divide the Democratic party in a very crucial election with a lot at stake
And yes he's the one driving the division and riling up his supporters.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Maybe you third way types should have run a stronger candidate?
StayFrosty
(237 posts)That's why Sanders has no path towards the nomination that doesn't include outright stealing it from Hillary
Ironic eh?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)It's not Sander's fault that she in unlikable. Should have picked a better candidate.
StayFrosty
(237 posts)To the far left
Ideologues and especially socialists don't win elections
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)but Bob-Bye
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)People going to college, seeing a doctor and not killing brown people aren't "far left" ideas by the way.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Do you expect to get somefhing in a Clinton Administration for your service or are you just a PR mercenary?
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Member since this month.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Wonder how that sort of system could be audited? One party posts and others verify?
Well, it's certainly a cowardly new world....
Fla Dem
(23,562 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)We have our squabbles on DU, and that's the way it ought to be. However, the very least we should demand of esach other is that we are actual participants in our dialogues, not posting stuff disingenously as people paid to inject specific text into political discussions on a political web sitte.
I write what I mean towrite, because DU is a valuable tool for all of us to engage each other on issues of importance for the Democratic party and politics in general. No ulterior motives. If someone is directly linked to a particular political campaign or the Republican party, I expect them to have the decency to say so.
Otherwise the entire site might just as well be one big revolving billboard.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Under similar circumstances as yours.
Hit the right nerve and they're all teeth, nails and poo.
Watch yer back.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Thanks for the heads up, but I'm comfortable with such a risk.
If we can't talk straight with each other about topics like that, then everyone might as well find sponsors and attach 'This post brought to you by xyz, Inc.' to the tail ends of our posts....
corkhead
(6,119 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)DU in the last two months. Put them on ignore.
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)Too bad for them, this movement won't die.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)Instead, they lasted literally 52 seconds on DU
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's like the Red Wedding in slow-mo
arcane1
(38,613 posts)A toast to Those Who Do!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)maybe you might learn something you need to know.
I was an avid Hillary supporter once. Not any longer.
One thing changed my mind. Its right in front of you. just look a bit lower.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Hillary's policies are very bad news for poor people in the US, she's just been very skillful in hiding it.
For example, when she talks about building infrastructure, you think that means jobs, right? Jobs for Americans? Not so. The same thing with health care, you think that somehow Hillary will figure out a way to make for profit healthcare affordable for the poor without getting rid of the tiered system and its incredible level complexity that adds no value? The only way she can do that without breaking the rules her husband helped create is to either ship poor people overseas when they need hospital procedures / long term care, or throw our doctors and nurses under the bus and deplete foreign nations of doctors, norses, teachers, etc, staff our current healthcare and education systems, construction sites, etc, with foreign workers working for very low wages. Thats likely going to be what they do. And to get us there they are pulling a dirty trick. They are going to have the WTO "tell us" to get rid of our minimum wage laws. Did you know that we're in the middle of trade negotiations on services that have been going back 15 years? They are almost finished, in Geneva?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Our country is people, people are the most important thing, businesses are made up of people, they are not people. We oppose corporate personhood which claims that corporations are people and should have rights to spend money since they cannot talk. We feel that people should come first, not corporations.
Otherwise corporations will take over the world and corporations are amoral and could not care less if people lived or died, they just want your money. Once people's money is gone, they want them gone, as poor people are taking up space that they would rather somebody with lots of money was occupying.
Unless we put people above corporations, they will continue to have a right to displace people and base it on the grounds that their proposed project or whatever is more likely to generate wealth. For who doesn't matter so its always of course them.
Did you know that Hillary wants to deregulate the export of natural gas irreversibly (by putting it into a trade deal) and then WTO rules require that we sell it to the highest bidder, exporting it "until its gone" ? The price of heating and air conditioning for American families could easily double in a very short period of time, leading to a lot of problems if apartment buildings containing affordable housing are deemed "too expensive" to heat.
Did you know that an ill advised change (repealing the Glass-Steagall Act) the Clintons made in 1998 because of the same deal that also is screwing up health care - something they have not told us, was responsible for the 2008 financial crash which wiped out the goals of the Clinton years made by poor families?
And now they want us to make the same mistakes (financial deregulation in response to a trade deal) again.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)for hated demonstrably evil corporations.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,570 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)but he needs to stop bashing the party and Clinton.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)and you know it...I for one have come to despise Sanders...and I used to like the guy.
ChimpersMcSmirkers
(3,328 posts)Sanders use to focus on inequality but now it's all about the DNC being unfair and corrupt. Bernie's lost fair and square. Is the way the party runs things a bit sketch on the fringes? Sure, but Bernie is now telling his fans that a)we can still win and b) the party is corrupt. He's salting the earth against getting his peeps on board when he finally drops out. Pretty sad really and he will get blamed if Trump gets in because young voters don't show.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)Tom Hartman whom I lost much respect for and others all said...oh Bernie will be good for Democrats...but he isn't. Honestly, he seems kind of out of it lately...bitter and spiteful
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)are reprehensible.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that with her. He hasn't bashed the Party.
2cannan
(344 posts)"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell."
larkrake
(1,674 posts)20 % of those fear the Party so will vote for their 2nd establishment candidate(Hill).Indys have the majority in this nation and they are tired of being sidelined
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Hellbent on destroying our country no more...no less. We hear everyday by threats and foot stumping...if the media leveled their cannons months ago at sanders...he be off hiding just like his wife is after all the reporting on her trashing Burlington college...right wing media would make mincemeat out of sanders...ask why they have held off....
RichVRichV
(885 posts)We must be the world's worst anarchists.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Save me... I can feel my brain cells dying just reading this malarky. Worse, you probably think your disgorged stats are the real thing, yeah?
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)It will fizzle just like OWS did.
Some people just don't understand that you cannot change the system from outside the system. In order to get into the system you must follow the current rules.
"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy.~ Aristotle
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)here in Ohio...people getting tossed out of their homes during the financial crisis...evil banks etc...protests...stop the eviction...you know...they have no leader or so they said...they never show up...they can't plan their way out of a paper bag...this movement is doomed because it seriously has no leadership of any kind. It is sad because it had real potential...we did the spring thing at my house remember that? and then nothing from them. They are not willing to do the heavy lifting and they have no leaders.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)it's a fizzled out "movement" .
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)obamanut2012
(26,034 posts)I thought the same thing!
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)msongs
(67,343 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)killed by cluster bombs. No empathy. But you like her because she is tough. Right. But not so tough when the Republicons told her to help spread the lies of WMD in Iraq.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Where's the gratitude?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,570 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Evening shift doesn't pay $12 an hour.
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spinboas
(48 posts)He will be known as the leader who led the anti establishment surge of 2016 which paved the way for the leftist takeover which those people will currently be living and enjoying!
StayFrosty
(237 posts)Implementing your leftist utopia in the United States.
Our government depends on compromise from everyone to function properly
Something Sandernistas don't get
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Republicans never compromise on anything. Democrats just cave, cave, cave, giving everything away, and moving our country inexorably rightwards towards fascism. Our government only depends on compromise from the left, and everything is hunky-dory in Team Donkey land, because the corporate gravy train keeps moving along.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I have my doubts. It's easy going to a rock show type event -staying engaged and voting in the midterms should be just as easy but it never seems to happen
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)If history even remembers him for long, it will be as a proponent of violence and scorched earth politics.
The good thing is that he will have disillusioned this generation of left wing idealists, so hopefully we won't have to deal with a fringe candidate again for several election cycles.
Kall
(615 posts)Coming from the Clinton campaign, that's pretty rich. Now excuse me, I have to go inform some women that if they don't vote for Hillary, they have a special place in Hell. And that Sanders wants to dismantle Medicare, and take away health care from "millions and millions and millions of people." And that Sanders is a lockstep vote for the NRA with his D- rating. And go watch Clinton surrogates smear Sanders' Civil Rights record.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)accept that he lost the race back on Super Tuesday. But instead he continued on, speaking vitriol against the entire Democratic Party, just like a spoiled child who didn't get his way. Knowing all along that his words were fueling anger in his fans. The only solace we have is that his legacy will be that of a bitter man who sold out his own principles for a chance at more time in the spotlight.
Kall
(615 posts)but I wasn't just talking about surrogates either. Hillary Clinton's immediate response to Madeleine Albright's pronouncement that women who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton had a special place in Hell was to laugh and applaud standing next to her. Her later, considered response was "Oh, people are getting offended at everything these days!" She made the bullshit NRA charge herself, as well as the Medicare "dismantling".
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)In no way was that comment (or the support of it) threatening, or did it incite violence. It was a typical exchange that is made in groups of like-minded people. Not at all the same as telling a group of already rabid people that 'we still can win this' when the race was lost long ago, and telling them that the DNC was not treating them well. He knows that kind of talk just encourages his supporters that are already prone to violence, to ignite.
Kall
(615 posts)She's spent months burning bridges, bombing them, then burning them again doing this kind of crap. And that is not an exhaustive list by far - throw in going to Jeb Bush's big donors cap in hand a couple weeks ago, for instance. Now she thinks everyone she royally pissed off should just cross the non-existent bridges to her. It doesn't work like that.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)If someone insults you on a daily basis, knocks the looks of your wife, lets the air out of the tires of your car parked in the driveway several times and walks through the flowers in the flower bed every week, then wants a favor from you, how likely are you to grant that favor? Not very, correct?
Well, that is effectively what Hillary and Debbie DINO are doing to Bernie.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)you sure this is the third string and not the practice squad?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)only a dozen concrete issues in each speech
His legacy will be an on going movement.
kimbutgar
(21,036 posts)But your post is divisive in itself.
How much are you being paid to troll in DU?
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)The Democrats ignore this at their peril.
But make no mistake, they will ignore it they already are, and with a particularly unpalatable smugness and so they must therefore, going forward, be considered as existentially imperiled as the Republican Party is right now.
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corkhead
(6,119 posts)in an attempt to damage our movement. It is an attempt to destroy the Sanders candidacy and ultimately it will be the excuse for Hillary picking a Bluedog or worse running mate, and totally ignoring the progressive movement during the convention and beyond.
I'm not taking the bait. Don't feed the trolls!
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corkhead
(6,119 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)They just don't care about the community that this site used to be, they want to win, baby!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)rurallib
(62,373 posts)enjoy stirring things up while you are here
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)But, he was 50 points behind the presumptive nominee when he announced. He had barely any name recognition. He is over 70 years old and a Democratic Socialist. He is running against a very wealthy, very powerful political machine, he basically had no chance.
but he ran and he won states, and he continues to raise more non-corporate money than ANY candidate in the history of the United States. thats really a big f'ing deal. with very little media attention, and the fact that he has been discounted from the beginning, people are still donating.
AND... even though we hear he has no chance, he continues to pack arenas with supporters, Americans waiting in lines for 3 hours to hear him speak.
Say what you want, belittle him and his record as you will, but he will not be remembered as bitter and resentful...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)wresting this nation back from the .01% with him. Why you want that I have no idea, but don't pretend, as you and a whole media machine perpetuate this meme, that he brought it upon himself. You are selling the shit out of it. Your post is nothing but selling. It isn't deconstructing. It isn't inviting conversation. It isn't even bothering to cite evidence for your claim. Just pure viral marketing manufacturing consent.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)What's tomorrow's Brock talking point going to be? Did you get the memo yet?
cali
(114,904 posts)WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)will all else is taken away by Trump and the GOP.
dragonfly301
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(10,118 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Mankind and fought the rigged establishment. Hillary will be remembered for opening the door for wall street and corporate America to screw the American people.
GeorgeGist
(25,308 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)To mainstream American liberals, he'll leave quite a different legacy
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Need I remind you that Hillary Clinton stayed in the race in 2008 until AFTER the last primary. Bernie needs to do the same.
Plus, although I'm sure you don't care at all, I happen to live in a state that will be holding its primary next month. I plan to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary. And I plan to vote for him in November.
So to all of you who keep on saying Bernie needs to end his campaign: Fuck you.
dchill
(38,429 posts)Cool story.
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mia
(8,358 posts)Sleep well.
TheBlackAdder
(28,160 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)How is that?
Ignore the voter suppression, ignore the machines tabulating votes at your peril. You won't be able to blame Bernie, though you will try.
Trump wins because of Bernie. Convenient but not true.
Hillary camo will be to blame.
StayFrosty
(237 posts)Going by your post she's a master of rigging elections
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QC
(26,371 posts)He just works for a different conservative now.
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QC
(26,371 posts)Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
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jillan
(39,451 posts)Or should I say bern it.
How the Right was Wrong or something like that.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Scorn such as yours only confirms it for me.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Particularly given your propensity to shit up the site with this sort of ratfuckery...
Hope that Brockian spending money in your pocket buys you something nice and strong...to further suppress what might actually remain of your conscience. But in any case...bye, Felicia!
BlueLouisville
(28 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)(Hat tip to Scootaloo)
Buns_of_Fire
(17,148 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)She is reaping what she engaged in in 2008. Some of you have short memory!
I am a Bernie supporter!
KPN
(15,634 posts)Way to win friends and influence people.
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StevieM
(10,500 posts)The party will come through the primary and unite to win the general election.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)he MAY not be able to do that all in this year.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,148 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)You will be remembered as being full of shit when I look at my ignore list.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Drive a wedge and accuse others of division.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)Gothmog
(144,869 posts)I am sorry to see Sanders throw away his life's work by being some petty
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But naw...its all about Bernie.
So he will bern down the house instead and set back progressive causes for years.
WTG Bernie?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)not support a $15 minimum wage for everyone , be against any type of free public collage ......... I'm sure she would have for all of those if only Bernie had been nicer
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She could have gone out wealthy and retired with her millions made from "public service" but no.
Power is addictive. She had to get back into it because she wants it all.
She's responsible for probably millions of deaths but it still isn't enough.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Fuck Nader.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts).....but you're blaming the wrong person for the growing division in this party.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Not now, not after the convention, not ever.
And the more that Hillary supporters write stupid posts like this, the less likely Bernie supporters are to vote for her in the GE.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)The guy who is fighting for the average American is going to have so many people pissed off?
This my friends is hilarious!
It even has the RW talking point of "socialist" thrown in for kicks! You know, I find it sad that so many people these days think Canada is the former DDR or USSR. I mean my God, at any second the Red Army will be marching through the streets of NYC with it's quasi leader Kim Jung-Il leading the march with flags draped of Marx and Stalin.
Denmark will be the new capitol of all things May Day and that commie bastion Sweden, cancel the damn bikini contest!
It's funny to see Hillary supporters so frightened that some kid may have free college or God forbid, people have health care! I mean that is completely scary and unacceptable, right?
The truth is, you're afraid of this because your mantra and ideology is dying out.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)The Russians Are Coming! (Cold war era fears)
Finale of Dmitri Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony, Leonard Bernstein conducting:
Written in 1937. The bureaucrats were afraid that he wasn't writing sufficiently Communist music, which is ridiculous.
I played this piece at summer music camp in Lawrence, KS, at K.U. under the great Carmen Dragon, and it is a BIG HAIRY BITCH to play. This was during the first week and we were all nervous that we weren't good enough. I was 13th chair in the back of the first violin section. That's a pretty big orchestra. I was 16. Dmitri Shostakovich was still alive.
He was telling the timpanist to basically grow some stones and bang the hell out of the timpani at the end. He told the timpanist during rehearsal, "Son, the timpanist is one of the most virile men in the orchestra." . Carmen Dragon was very friendly and ate lunch in the dorms with us. This was 5 weeks, 5 different conductors and five concerts. Except I was also in a chorus, so that was 5 weeks, 10 conductors, and 10 concerts.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)You must have your head way up something.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)She will be remembered as the woman who was willing to corrupt democratic and Democratic principles to win at any cost; the woman who put her own career path higher on the priority list than the lives of 99% of the population of the nation. The woman who ultimately broke the Democratic Party, sending so many fleeing into independency and ultimately rendering the party irrelevant to all but the mega corporations she serves and their willing sheep.
And yes, she's the one driving the division and riling up her supporters.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Tragic for all those unfortunate enough to live in them.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)goman na hitoga kirada. I hate arrogance. ごまん な ひと が きらだ
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)GOHILLARY
ancianita
(35,925 posts)"Sad and pathetic" are mean, terrible things to say to millions who have had much joy and hope for being accepted into more democratic process. There has been no "riling" or division.
It's never been about Bernie, it's been about US.
Good thing you have no control over how a 34 year senator will be remembered -- one who voted 95 percent of the time with the party compared to 80 percent for the average Democrat.
Poor form.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)No sale pal, it looks pretty rotten.