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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:09 PM May 2016

It is not Bernies fault with what happens in November

America loses if the choice is between a former Machiavellian businessman (Trump) that used to sposnor openly a Machiavellian politician (Hillary Clinton). Ladies and gentlemen our Democracy has been hijacked.

Local elections is what is going to start to matter more to millions of Americans. The DC bubble is going to grow because the establishment has tasted some pushback. So, in response to that pushback they will further isolate themselves.

Trying to place the blame on Bernie supporters and Bernie himself for what will happen in November is shameful.

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It is not Bernies fault with what happens in November (Original Post) Harmony Blue May 2016 OP
It's already started. I was listening to that loudmouth Leslie Marshall on the radio. Unfortunately jillan May 2016 #1
And look what happened to him :-) Merryland May 2016 #3
Are they going to blame Bernie when the FBI recommends an indictment. Fawke Em May 2016 #22
Sure, attack our nominee endlessly, threaten her supporters and tell us you won't vote for her Trust Buster May 2016 #2
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ pkdu May 2016 #4
What you call an attack I call putting on your thinking cap Harmony Blue May 2016 #6
If death threats and spewing profanity at rally goers is your idea of "putting on your thinking cap" Trust Buster May 2016 #9
It's Clinton's job to connect to voters, convince them to vote for her Scootaloo May 2016 #10
Should she wait until the bros. stop calling her a bitch and other cute adjectives ? Trust Buster May 2016 #12
She should start ASAP. The more she dithers on it, the more it hurts her November performance Scootaloo May 2016 #14
Sorry, we're not interested. The vile attacks from Sanders supporters have left a bad taste in our Trust Buster May 2016 #16
Suit yourself. I'm hoping Clinton has a little more sense though. Scootaloo May 2016 #17
Those blinded by hatred for her would be an inefficient use of time and resources. Trust Buster May 2016 #18
And yet... Scootaloo May 2016 #19
To the victor go the spoils. She is not seeking your advice nor that of Sanders. Trust Buster May 2016 #20
But she'd do well to open an ear anyway. Could only help her November chances. Scootaloo May 2016 #23
To reasonable Sanders supporters, I would agree. The radicals ? Not worth the time and resources. Trust Buster May 2016 #24
Worth more than any Republican, at least. Scootaloo May 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author MFM008 May 2016 #5
Yeah, kind of how it wasn't Nader's fault that Gore lost in 2000. eastwestdem May 2016 #7
Nice logical fallacy Harmony Blue May 2016 #8
Election fraud had nothing to do with it! Scootaloo May 2016 #13
Yeap, it's not... I agree... Clinton will win and it wont be because of Sanders at this rate but I'm uponit7771 May 2016 #11
It's primarily a fundamental misunderstanding of Sanders supporters. jeff47 May 2016 #15
If Hillary loses the GE, its squarely on her shoulders. Arazi May 2016 #21
Well we can basicly say the democratic party is functionally dead now after november PFunk1 May 2016 #26

jillan

(39,451 posts)
1. It's already started. I was listening to that loudmouth Leslie Marshall on the radio. Unfortunately
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

the local progressive station has her on for 3 hrs.... she was already blaming Bernie. Non-stop.
Bernie supporters were calling in and she was shouting them down.

They've been blaming us for everything since day one.
Bernie Bros. Then the blamed Bernie when there was that firewall problem while the Hillary campaign stole Bernie supporters info.
It's been non-stop.

I am so sick of it.

They did this to Obama in 2008 too.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. Are they going to blame Bernie when the FBI recommends an indictment.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:42 PM
May 2016

Was Bernie in her basement inviting Guccifer into her server?

The Hilliterates don't think things through very well.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. Sure, attack our nominee endlessly, threaten her supporters and tell us you won't vote for her
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016

But, your hands are clean. Narcissism reaching new heights......LOL

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
6. What you call an attack I call putting on your thinking cap
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:18 PM
May 2016

Clinton has taken money from Trump and Trump has given money to Clinton.




Guess who is not part of the club? It is definitely not us ordinary plebs at the very bottom.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
9. If death threats and spewing profanity at rally goers is your idea of "putting on your thinking cap"
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016

,then that must be a mighty small thinking hat you have there.....LOL

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
16. Sorry, we're not interested. The vile attacks from Sanders supporters have left a bad taste in our
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

mouths. Will go it without you. We'll survive.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. And yet...
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016
WILLIAMSON, W.Va. — Hillary Clinton’s campaign is trying to seize on the turmoil Donald J. Trump’s ascent has caused within the Republican Party, hoping to gain the support of Republican voters and party leaders including former elected officials and retired generals disillusioned by their party’s standard-bearer.

The efforts come after the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan, on Thursday said he was “just not ready” to back Mr. Trump, comments the Clinton campaign giddily blasted out in an email and on social media. At the same time, Priorities USA Action, a “super PAC” supporting Mrs. Clinton, intends to reach out to Republican megadonors disillusioned by their party’s presumptive nominee.

More broadly, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign is repositioning itself, after a year of emphasizing liberal positions and focusing largely on minority voters, to also appeal to independent and Republican-leaning white voters turned off by Mr. Trump.

With the Democratic nomination in sight, Mrs. Clinton has broadened her economic message, devoted days to apologizing for a comment she previously made that angered working-class whites, and pledged that her husband, former President Bill Clinton, who remains widely popular among the blue-collar voters drawn to Mr. Trump, would “come out of retirement and be in charge” of creating jobs in places that have been particularly hard hit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-republican-party.html


She might want to shore up her own party - even those who don't like her much - before she starts trying to fish up Republican support.

Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
7. Yeah, kind of how it wasn't Nader's fault that Gore lost in 2000.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Surely a fringe candidate can't have that kind of impact.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
8. Nice logical fallacy
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016

Bernie has not shown any indication he will run in the general election as an Independent.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. Election fraud had nothing to do with it!
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016

Nor did the 200,000 right-wing Democrats that voted for Bush, creating a 400,000-vote swing.

Go figure, I guess

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
11. Yeap, it's not... I agree... Clinton will win and it wont be because of Sanders at this rate but I'm
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

... sure he'll join her and campiagn for her hard and bring the rest of the party with him.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. It's primarily a fundamental misunderstanding of Sanders supporters.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

They are "with" Clinton. She is their leader, and the vast majority of them are prepared to do what she says.

Sanders is "with" us. He can suggest a course of action, but we are not his footsoldiers.

As a result, it is fundamentally up to Clinton to win over Sanders supporters. Or not. Sanders can help, if Clinton seeks his help, but Sanders can not deliver his voters as a package to Clinton.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
21. If Hillary loses the GE, its squarely on her shoulders.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016

And the DNC for anointing such a weak candidate.

She will own that loss just like Gore owns the 2000 result.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
26. Well we can basicly say the democratic party is functionally dead now after november
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

As it's going to be split into two distinctive sides with no hope of unifying. With many thanks to being blamed for Clinton's loss joining the ever growing political group now know as "democratic independents".

But hey, this is what happens when you try to push a weak and unlikable DINO onto folks who no longer will accept one.

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