Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:24 PM

Your sanctimonious bullshit is wearing a little thin

I’m getting a little tired of certain people on DU shitting on the efforts of those of us who reside in red states. Sometimes (not always), when a red state DUer relates a story of an attempt to convert a republican or independent, some of you on DU just HAVE to take a dump on our efforts. More often than not, our progress is dismissed.

Yes, one vote for Obama in a red state won’t make much difference today, but there are other, long-term, exponential factors to consider. If one of us can convince one republican or independent NOT to forward an anti-Obama email or tweet to half the world, isn’t that a win for our side? I think it is well worth the effort. And sometimes, that also results in one of our friends or family members having a conversation with a repuke in an effort to dissuade them for voting for the rightwing. Isn’t that a good thing?

I've been working to convince my mother to vote FOR Obama recently and finally succeeded. She has been working to convince my sister NOT to vote for rMoney (my sister won’t commit to Obama, but she absolutely WON’T vote for Robme). My mother has also pledged to DELETE any nasty anti-Democrat emails that she receives.

Yes, both my sister and mother are in red states, as am I, but isn’t their rejection of rightwing propaganda a good thing for us in the short term, as well as the long term?

So many conservative people that I know are tired of the rhetoric. They may not necessarily be Democrats today, but they are sick of the antics of the republicans. Doesn’t it mean something if we can convince people NOT to spread anti-Obama memes and bullshit rumors, and maybe even to write in ‘Jesus’, or ‘Shiva’, or whatever deity, on their ballots, as opposed to voting for rMoney? Voting for Obama would, of course, be preferable, but I’m thinking long-term strategy here.

I believe we are well positioned to win the presidential election next week and retain a Senate majority. Shouldn’t we be working to keep both of those, and retake the House in 2014?

I’m getting a little annoyed with the dismissal of the efforts of those of us who happen to reside in red states. Our efforts are no less significant than those of you who happen to live in blue or swing states, maybe even more significant!

It is no easy thing to be a Democrat living in a red state! Your sanctimonious bullshit is wearing a little thin. I’m not going to call out anyone out in particular . . . you know who you are!

Thanks for your attention . . . End of my ‘Red State’ Rant.

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Your sanctimonious bullshit is wearing a little thin (Original post)	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	OP
To the greatest page with you!	Fawke Em	Nov 2012	#1
Three cheers for you and the work you do! Yes, it's important. And each one will	SharonAnn	Nov 2012	#151
Anyone who lived through 2000 wants all the PV we can get	BeyondGeography	Nov 2012	#2
I'd say	Lefta Dissenter	Nov 2012	#3
That'd be	salinen	Nov 2012	#97
Or Madison. :)	Lefta Dissenter	Nov 2012	#117
Yup... I miss being deep blue too.	uwbadgerdem	Nov 2012	#136
I swear	salinen	Nov 2012	#165
Add to that...	awoke_in_2003	Nov 2012	#145
This blue state resident, for one, thinks you are doing great things.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2012	#4
Anyone who even tries to get the nuts out of our government is a true patriot and hero.	AnnaLee	Nov 2012	#5
Thank you for pointing that out	Thekaspervote	Nov 2012	#6
I will be a voice in the wilderness with you . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#64
In 2008, I convinced my	madaboutharry	Nov 2012	#7
Thank you!	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#65
I am reminded of an old 60s book called The Hundredth Monkey.	libdem4life	Nov 2012	#8
Unfortunately for such a good story,	SheilaT	Nov 2012	#28
While the 'hundredth monkey' research may not have been valid...	Blanks	Nov 2012	#102
Obamacare will be the "Hundreth Monkey" for Democrats. I will bet my life on it.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#115
Unfortunately, they will adopt it	a2liberal	Nov 2012	#148
But it isn't working. Romney and Ryan aren't fooling enough people.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#162
keep on keepin on !	Democrats4All	Nov 2012	#9
Thank you!	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#66
i'll second that--stick to it!!	Supersedeas	Nov 2012	#169
And with a bit of luck you'll be able to work on a local level	GoneOffShore	Nov 2012	#10
Agree with most of of this, but if you live in the blue part, then you don't live in Pennsyltucky.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#84
Even though Philly is blue by most definitions	GoneOffShore	Nov 2012	#93
Not disputing that, for sure. But even though my small town is overflowing with R campaign signs,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#128
Oh god, I was never sure I was in Pennsyltucky before.	Curmudgeoness	Nov 2012	#142
I regret having been the bearer of that harrowing news. On the bright side, I love your	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#167
As a Mississippian... Thank you!	ashtonelijah	Nov 2012	#11
yep Rachel Maddow was gob smacked on that one.....lol n/t	oldhippydude	Nov 2012	#14
Former Mississippian myself . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#62
I take very little credit for that	ashtonelijah	Nov 2012	#94
I'm in the same position as you, but am unable to make coversations, so well done!	Democratopia	Nov 2012	#12
when this whole thing is done...	oldhippydude	Nov 2012	#13
Never let "people on the internet" influence you unduly.	MADem	Nov 2012	#15
Yes, I agree . . . it is a GOOD PLACE . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#69
Some folks snark to hide their own inadequacies.	MADem	Nov 2012	#89
Sister, I'm with ya...	Charlotte Little	Nov 2012	#16
There are a lot of democrats in red states.	LisaL	Nov 2012	#17
If the Dems had learned from Howard Dean's	tblue37	Nov 2012	#67
+ a million!	eridani	Nov 2012	#80
Sanctimonious bullshit abounds here...ignore it.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#18
Thank You for your Efforts!	whttevrr	Nov 2012	#19
kick	CrazyOrangeCat	Nov 2012	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	CrazyOrangeCat	Nov 2012	#21
I grew up and still live in the SF bay area	proud patriot	Nov 2012	#22
No worries . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#45
I am a Blue State too	sheshe2	Nov 2012	#23
Who dat? You dat!	garthranzz	Nov 2012	#24
True dat!	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#29
I haven't seen that(Not saying it didn't happen)..only that If I had	Cha	Nov 2012	#25
Me neither !	CorBlimeyGuvnor	Nov 2012	#33
Welcome to DU, CorBlimeyGuvnor..	Cha	Nov 2012	#34
Thank you.	CorBlimeyGuvnor	Nov 2012	#50
Thanks for the geographic description of	Cha	Nov 2012	#57
Wow ! Kaua'i looks stunning...	CorBlimeyGuvnor	Nov 2012	#63
I wish it would get cooler now..we've been a constant 85 degrees for	Cha	Nov 2012	#68
I take it you live in Louisiana?	BlueDemKev	Nov 2012	#26
Unfortunately, from a political standpoint . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#30
Lucky you!	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2012	#31
But you have our 'Jazz;' that must count for something, n'est ce pas?	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#36
The beauty of New Orleans is what made me a progressive environmentalist.	SunSeeker	Nov 2012	#56
It's really too bad...	BlueDemKev	Nov 2012	#113
Heh-heh!	BlueDemKev	Nov 2012	#90
Wow . . . did I just pull an Ann-gry Romney? . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#27
well that wasn't the most elegant way to do that. your anger turned me off of the message.	progressivebydesign	Nov 2012	#39
I'm sorry that you don't find my post 'elegant' . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#49
I think your OP is as elegant as your name.	TexasProgresive	Nov 2012	#131
Amen Baby Girl, Amen. Well done.	nolabear	Nov 2012	#32
Thank you, Nola Bear . . . I've been following your posts . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#71
As a fellow in a deep red state	Iceberg Louie	Nov 2012	#35
Listen to Jill Stein say there's no difference between Rs & Ds.	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2012	#54
What does this mean? I have seen no anti-red state stuff here.	progressivebydesign	Nov 2012	#37
How have you managed to avoid the delightful (almost daily) South-bashing posts?	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#92
ProgressiveByDesign apparently has blinders on . . .	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#100
Well, Ah doo de-CLA-uh!	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#105
That was glorious!	txdemsftw	Nov 2012	#107
Love it - from someone who sounds just lahk thaut!	northoftheborder	Nov 2012	#158
No one has 'dismissed your efforts'.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#126
The OP bemoans the degredation of her efforts.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#125
Nope. The south bashing takes the form of	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#156
Umm.... did you bother to READ the OP?	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#157
Nice. Call me stupid. Off to ignore. Have a good one.	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#159
Again, learn to read.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#160
REC	Coyotl	Nov 2012	#38
Love and respect to all the Red State DUers from Los Angeles	K8-EEE	Nov 2012	#40
In My State The "Eastern" Part Is Republican	StevePaulson	Nov 2012	#41
Keep up the great work	CitizenPatriot	Nov 2012	#42
why let anyone on a blog upset you?	MFM008	Nov 2012	#43
As a newbie it is pretty easy to feel you have been kicked in the stomach a few times	sheshe2	Nov 2012	#60
KICK!	patrice	Nov 2012	#44
Have fun looking at how states do change with this:	lobodons	Nov 2012	#46
I love that!!!	Tennessee Gal	Nov 2012	#82
Red and Racist state here.	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#47
Howdy, neighbor! Texas, here.	Indpndnt	Nov 2012	#48
Nicely said	ashling	Nov 2012	#51
uh oh. I just posted a shocked response to a post about Boise.	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2012	#52
As another red-stater, I thank you.	Blue_In_AK	Nov 2012	#53
Red Today..	IrishAle	Nov 2012	#55
I live in a pretty blue state and appreciate your efforts.	Jennicut	Nov 2012	#58
Thank you for the encouragement, Jennicut . . . one day I believe that we will prevail!	fleur-de-lisa	Nov 2012	#59
I salute you and your efforts!!	Hulk	Nov 2012	#61
This site is full of hardcore nuts! I for one am thrilled to meet a red state progressive. There is	busterbrown	Nov 2012	#70
We all make a difference.....	FrenchieCat	Nov 2012	#72
I can understand your frustration...	lexw	Nov 2012	#73
Short-sided nonsense.	Daemonaquila	Nov 2012	#74
Oklahoma here	OkieGranny	Nov 2012	#75
I agree that every vote is important	TroyD	Nov 2012	#76
Sorry to hear some members are dumping on you. To them I offer this:	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#77
I love this map and use it often!	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#106
I haven't seen this.	TwilightGardener	Nov 2012	#78
I live in TX, a big red state	vlyons	Nov 2012	#79
Texas here, too.	hamsterjill	Nov 2012	#104
I would like to see our guys keep boots on the ground in Texas...	RedCloud	Nov 2012	#120
Mike Malloy used to have a regular caller from West Texas....	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#150
Took a beating in 1992	toepoker	Nov 2012	#81
Welcome to DU, toepoker.	myrna minx	Nov 2012	#111
From deeply red Tennessee and old enough to remember when it wasn't quite so red, I can sympathize.	Tennessee Gal	Nov 2012	#83
Thanks. Well-Said. (nt)	Paladin	Nov 2012	#85
I am in a Red State, and nobody is gonna stop me from spreading this DU knowledge!	kalli007	Nov 2012	#86
thanks	mgcgulfcoast	Nov 2012	#87
Every little bit helps. I live in a blue state	justiceischeap	Nov 2012	#88
Preach it, Lisa!!!!	ncgrits	Nov 2012	#91
Texas here. Amen, and pass the biscuits!	thevoiceofreason	Nov 2012	#95
and gravy!	txdemsftw	Nov 2012	#108
and CORN!! Heck, let's have a barbeque...we'll ask Kansas for some steaks	LaydeeBug	Nov 2012	#166
Go Lisa!	jcgoldie	Nov 2012	#96
The sanctimonious bullshit is obnoxious, elitist, patronizing, and stupid.	jsr	Nov 2012	#98
Progress is always worthwhile!	Waiting For Everyman	Nov 2012	#99
Virginia used to be a red state	Andy Stanton	Nov 2012	#101
THANK YOU!	txdemsftw	Nov 2012	#103
I hear ya.	a la izquierda	Nov 2012	#109
sometimes the frustration	mstinamotorcity2	Nov 2012	#110
Sometimes local elections can go Blue in a Red State	sellitman	Nov 2012	#112
you've made great progress.	barbtries	Nov 2012	#114
When I moved to NC 15 years ago, it was a solid red state.	wildeyed	Nov 2012	#116
I for one...	PoliticalBiker	Nov 2012	#118
What you are doing is CRUCIAL and SO important.	cui bono	Nov 2012	#119
It is hard to be blue in a red state	yellerpup	Nov 2012	#121
Holy crap!! You said everything I've wanted to say!....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#122
not from the red states	mil_5529dem	Nov 2012	#123
I'm pissed off at the puppy-kicking contingent on DU.	The Doctor.	Nov 2012	#124
Voting for Obama in red states is very important	SpankMe	Nov 2012	#127
Thanks!	Alleycat	Nov 2012	#129
I have to laugh at myself-	WCLinolVir	Nov 2012	#130
Hallelujah . . . We may not have the results that ya'll do . . . But our efforts . . . inch by inch	Liberal In Red State	Nov 2012	#132
Bless you for helping to kick the Teabaggers down the road! Welcome to DU!!!	japple	Nov 2012	#146
I totally agree! kick! n/t	southern_belle	Nov 2012	#133
For those who have forgotten it is not only about Obama. Its also about getting democrats elected!	Ford_Prefect	Nov 2012	#134
States shift to blue one voter at a time. Beside the newly blue voter may convince others, too.	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 2012	#135
I've been all but cyber stalked by a DUer with the sole purpose of discouraging support for Powell	obxhead	Nov 2012	#137
red stater here, and I hear you	Skittles	Nov 2012	#138
Virginians were dissed as Evil Confederates here in 2004-5 so I feel your pain	carolinayellowdog	Nov 2012	#139
You're right, I'm sorry you live in a red state, thank you for keeping on n/t	condoleeza	Nov 2012	#140
My Independent, right-leaning mother-in-law is scared to death of Romney and voting Obama.	Systematic Chaos	Nov 2012	#141
Once red states can go purple and even blue	Zambero	Nov 2012	#143
FIST BUMP !!!	savebigbird	Nov 2012	#144
Democrats in Red States are made of stronger stuff than me for sure	abelenkpe	Nov 2012	#147
KnR. You go, girl.	Hekate	Nov 2012	#149
Oh I KNOW what its like to live in a red state-believe me I DO!	benld74	Nov 2012	#152
Thank YOU!	zenandpeace	Nov 2012	#153
I'll be helping vote John Lewis back into Congress Tuesday.	klook	Nov 2012	#154
a-FUCKING-men. They are nothing more than desperate, breathless bullies	LaydeeBug	Nov 2012	#155
Oh, and I am in a VERY blue state...but I engage the righties anyway, to keep it TRUE BLUE. nt	LaydeeBug	Nov 2012	#161
Kick n/t	Shining Jack	Nov 2012	#163
May the gods favor you!	JNelson6563	Nov 2012	#164
Thanks for Fighting on	dgraz007	Nov 2012	#168

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:28 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

Your sanctimonious bullshit is wearing a little thin

1. To the greatest page with you!

151. Three cheers for you and the work you do! Yes, it's important. And each one will

2. Anyone who lived through 2000 wants all the PV we can get

3. I'd say

97. That'd be

117. Or Madison. :)

136. Yup... I miss being deep blue too.

165. I swear

145. Add to that...

4. This blue state resident, for one, thinks you are doing great things.

5. Anyone who even tries to get the nuts out of our government is a true patriot and hero.

6. Thank you for pointing that out

64. I will be a voice in the wilderness with you . . .

7. In 2008, I convinced my

65. Thank you!

8. I am reminded of an old 60s book called The Hundredth Monkey.

28. Unfortunately for such a good story,

102. While the 'hundredth monkey' research may not have been valid...

115. Obamacare will be the "Hundreth Monkey" for Democrats. I will bet my life on it.

148. Unfortunately, they will adopt it

162. But it isn't working. Romney and Ryan aren't fooling enough people.

9. keep on keepin on !

66. Thank you!

169. i'll second that--stick to it!!

10. And with a bit of luck you'll be able to work on a local level

84. Agree with most of of this, but if you live in the blue part, then you don't live in Pennsyltucky.

93. Even though Philly is blue by most definitions

128. Not disputing that, for sure. But even though my small town is overflowing with R campaign signs,

142. Oh god, I was never sure I was in Pennsyltucky before.

167. I regret having been the bearer of that harrowing news. On the bright side, I love your

11. As a Mississippian... Thank you!

14. yep Rachel Maddow was gob smacked on that one.....lol n/t

62. Former Mississippian myself . . .

94. I take very little credit for that

12. I'm in the same position as you, but am unable to make coversations, so well done!

13. when this whole thing is done...

15. Never let "people on the internet" influence you unduly.

69. Yes, I agree . . . it is a GOOD PLACE . . .

89. Some folks snark to hide their own inadequacies.

16. Sister, I'm with ya...

17. There are a lot of democrats in red states.

67. If the Dems had learned from Howard Dean's

80. + a million!

18. Sanctimonious bullshit abounds here...ignore it.

19. Thank You for your Efforts!

20. kick

22. I grew up and still live in the SF bay area

45. No worries . . .

23. I am a Blue State too

24. Who dat? You dat!

29. True dat!

25. I haven't seen that(Not saying it didn't happen)..only that If I had

33. Me neither !

34. Welcome to DU, CorBlimeyGuvnor..

50. Thank you.

57. Thanks for the geographic description of

63. Wow ! Kaua'i looks stunning...

68. I wish it would get cooler now..we've been a constant 85 degrees for

26. I take it you live in Louisiana?

30. Unfortunately, from a political standpoint . . .

31. Lucky you!

36. But you have our 'Jazz;' that must count for something, n'est ce pas?

56. The beauty of New Orleans is what made me a progressive environmentalist.

113. It's really too bad...

90. Heh-heh!

27. Wow . . . did I just pull an Ann-gry Romney? . . .

39. well that wasn't the most elegant way to do that. your anger turned me off of the message.

49. I'm sorry that you don't find my post 'elegant' . . .

131. I think your OP is as elegant as your name.

32. Amen Baby Girl, Amen. Well done.

71. Thank you, Nola Bear . . . I've been following your posts . . .

35. As a fellow in a deep red state

54. Listen to Jill Stein say there's no difference between Rs & Ds.

37. What does this mean? I have seen no anti-red state stuff here.

92. How have you managed to avoid the delightful (almost daily) South-bashing posts?

100. ProgressiveByDesign apparently has blinders on . . .

105. Well, Ah doo de-CLA-uh!

107. That was glorious!

158. Love it - from someone who sounds just lahk thaut!