All of these young men feeling the bern and feeling like something was taken from them in NV.

[boston bean]

WTF???

Hillary won Nevada. Period.Full stop.

And they feel like something was being taken from them so they resort to threats of violence and misogyny? When they were the ones trying to take something away from someone else?

This is why Bernie needs to stop with the "rigged" bullshit. He's riling up his fans in not a good way, but with delusions.

Damn Bernie drop the fuck out.

[cantbeserious]

1. Ever More Establishment FUD - Sad That The DNC Has Resorted To These Rovian Tactics

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[boston bean]

3. Reading the Rolling Stone article, I think I've captured their reason for making threats.

They felt something was being taken from them in NV.

Well, fuckity doo doo doo... Hillary won the Nevada caucuses. No one took one fucking thing from them.

[cantbeserious]

4. No Link Provided In The OP - Only Opinion

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[boston bean]

6. Well, there is a rolling stone article posted here right on the front page of this forum.

But still, yeah.. we all give our opinion, so what?

[cantbeserious]

10. Thank You For Validating The Point

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[boston bean]

15. and you as well.

[Hortensis]

20. Yes, they acted like whiny thugs. It is obvious how

a bad leader could easily take control of people like that and direct them destructively. Like many here on DU, not one made the slightest effort to understand what was going on and they have shamed the Democratic Party at a crucial time in history.

They were not entitled to their ignorance, much less to act on it.

[cantbeserious]

25. One Thinks One Misunderstood - One Validated The Point That One Provided Only Opinion - So Typical

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[boston bean]

26. That's just your opinion. neener neener neener LOL

[cantbeserious]

33. One Admitted That One Provided Only An Opinion - See One's Post For Reference

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[boston bean]

34. And??? Is this some revelation that people offer opinions on a political message board?

What exactly is it you are doing when you post here?

[cantbeserious]

48. Commenting On One's Opinion - Pointing Out That It Is Only An Opinion With Limited Import

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[boston bean]

50. cool man..

[cantbeserious]

53. Can't Speak For One - This Citizen Prefers Warm To Cool

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[boston bean]

54. oh let me correct that opinion.. real warm man, real warm.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Unless the people quoted in the RS article are actually arrested, that article is bullshit.

Making threats against people- even vague ones, even oblique ones, even the kind where the person says "I didn't think it was a threat"- it's against the law.

And if Rolling Stone could track down who made the threats, so can the cops.

So let's see if actual charges are filed against these "verified identities" quoted in the article, or if this is just Rolling Stone making shit up again.

[boston bean]

62. I do believe there is a police investigation.

Do actual recordings or actual texted words help you form an opinion?

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I'm not saying no threats were made. I'm saying Rolling Stone has a track record of

printing some exceedingly shoddy journalism, of late.

So good, whoever actually left those messages or sent the texts should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Maybe they're even actually the same "people" quoted in the RS story. If charges are filed, we'll know for sure.

[RogueTrooper]

2. We can hope; but, more likely, he will dial down on the crazy

especially when his campaign manager is the hippie Karl Rove.

[Arneoker]

12. I would ask him to do that

Not to drop out. Why not push the issues that the American people care about, as opposed to his supporters? Things like inequality, reining in Wall Street, and universal healthcare.

I think his supporters have something of a case on what happened in Nevada. Hopefully both sides will be smart enough to compromise when there is what I think will be the inevitable credentials challenge. But people see the violence and the threats. And however high-handed the procedures went, the results were a delegation that better reflected the results of the caucus vote. Not excusing anything, just saying that those outside the Bernie-sphere are likely to have trouble seeing it the same way they do.

Also, nothing in life is fair (at least not entirely), but the Bernie people are not being robbed. Hillary is ahead because more people decided to vote for her. That's not because the DNC scheduled too few debates and on Saturdays. Criticize that, but don't tell me it affected things all that much.

[Hortensis]

31. His supporters have NO case for Nevada.

Go read. A majority of the voters in Nevada chose Hillary Clinton. Bernie's delegates had absolutely no excuse for their resentment that Bernie had fewer delegates. Especially when nearly 500 of the 1000 Bernie supporters who said they would be there did not bother to turn up.

[Arneoker]

64. Yes, I understand that, and acknowledged that general point in my post

As do who I consider objective observers at Slate and TPM. They also note that the proceedings weren't entirely proper.

I support Hillary myself. But I think we need to try to take off our team blinders and look at things fairly. We often don't do that well here. I tend to see more of that problem on the Bernie side, but I think that is less important than my bigger point.

[Hortensis]

71. Sorry, Arneoker, I don't accept a "both sides were at fault"

schtick, in a pretense of fairness or otherwise.

For whatever reason, perhaps just carried away by determination to win at any cost, Bernie Sanders has betrayed his supporters, many of whom joined him because they believed he was an honorable man, by lying to them many times, repeatedly telling them they are being cheated, and encouraging a mob mood of intense resentment, frustration, and fury.

In the process he has embarrassed and weakened the Democratic Party at a crucial time in America's history. His and his unreasonably angry and hostile supporters' behavior shame the party.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANY OF THIS.

Let's be clear: His supporters were never justified in believing any of these lies before checking them out. By now they should all know that many phony charges have been made but were always proven false.

All these lies should also have automatically been considered in the context that Hillary has been winning the popular vote, the pledged delegate count, and the unpledged delegate count by very comfortable margins from the beginning and has no reason to cheat and every reason not to.

[bobbobbins01]

5. Video shows otherwise.

Don't accuse others of being delusional when there is video evidence.

[boston bean]

7. I've listened to the Voice mail and read the texts and read interviews where they have spoken to the

press.

They feel like something was taken from them.

[bobbobbins01]

8. Something was taken from them.

They were disenfranchised.

[boston bean]

9. And just how were they disenfranchised?

Hillary won the NV caucus.

What the hell was taken from them? A chance to take it away from the rightful winner?

[bobbobbins01]

11. You either don't know the rules of the NV caucus...

or you're pretending you don't. I suspect its the latter, but if it happens to be the former, please educate yourself before posting such nonsense.

[boston bean]

14. Answer the question. What was taken from them?

[bobbobbins01]

16. I answered that in my first post.

They were disenfranchised.

[boston bean]

18. They were disenfranchised while attempting to disenfranchise the rightful winners voters?

[bobbobbins01]

21. So you don't know the rules of the caucus?

At which point did Hillary win? Was it the first day of the Nevada caucus? Because if that is your claim, you don't know the rules. Period.

[boston bean]

23. LOL. Sanders did not win the NV Caucuses. WTF?

[bobbobbins01]

27. You don't know the rules. Read them.

Stop parroting bullshit and actually educate yourself on the process.

[boston bean]

30. I'm educated enough to understand that Hillary won the NV caucus

and BSers tried to game a system into to getting him a delegate or two more.. and stomped their feet, and made violent threats when they didn't get their way.

[bobbobbins01]

35. You don't know the rules and you're lying.

So we can't have an intelligent conversation.

[boston bean]

38. I'm not a liar. And I know Hillary won the NV Caucus.

[bobbobbins01]

42. You lied. There was no gaming of the system.

Except by the establishment.

[boston bean]

44. LOL.

You can't persuade the people living in alternate realities.

[bobbobbins01]

47. You got that right.

Read the rules.

[boston bean]

49. The rules, the rules, the rules, that didn't allow BSers to overturn the will of caucus goers.

[bobbobbins01]

52. Of course it does, here are the rules:

http://nvdems.3cdn.net/efafb4788ed845d0d3_08m6i2zsp.pdf

Section III shows you are wrong.

[boston bean]

55. OK Section III allows BSers to attempt to overturn the will of caucus goers... and damnit, us

BSers had that taken away from us.

So, let's threaten violence and be misogynistic.

That doesn't compute. It's actually pretty sad.

[bobbobbins01]

56. So you admit that it is in the rules.

So following the rules is bad now? I see.

[boston bean]

57. the rules didn't allow them to steal delegates...

Don't you forget that either.

[bobbobbins01]

61. Section III, A, 3, a, 2, c

Bye.

[boston bean]

63. bye!

[RazBerryBeret]

58. there are THREE tiers

to the Nevada Caucus.
the winner of the first tier doesn't always guarantee a final win.
it's not a ONE and DONE process.

read the rules.

[boston bean]

60. It's done now, aint it. And the will of actual caucus goers was upheld.

[stevenleser]

40. No, you are supporting a fascist overturning of the will of the voters. nt

[bobbobbins01]

43. I'm supporting the rules, which you don't know.

If you dont' like the rules, thats another argument.

[stevenleser]

45. Nope, you are not supporting the rules. You are supporting an attempt to game them.

And in doing so, you are supporting an attempt at a fascist overthrow of the will of the voters.

[bobbobbins01]

51. Where were the rules gamed?

Please point out the item number from the rules:

http://nvdems.3cdn.net/efafb4788ed845d0d3_08m6i2zsp.pdf

[stevenleser]

37. And that's all that matters. Sanders supporters are mad they can't overturn the will of the voters.

Those darn voters and their democracy trying to deny Sanders his nomination!

[stevenleser]

17. My video evidence shows that on caucus day, the voters voted 52% for Hillary and 47% for Sanders

So Sanders lost.

Delegate shenanigans don't change that.

[bobbobbins01]

22. So you don't know the rules either.

Thanks for playing.

[stevenleser]

24. I'm not opining on the rules Sanders supporters tried to game. Thanks for playing. nt

[bobbobbins01]

29. Willful ignorance is your stance?

If you won't educate yourself, you shouldn't speak.

[stevenleser]

32. Nope, I'm not responding to your strawmen. You shouldnt speak if you arent responding on point. nt

[bobbobbins01]

39. Which strawman is that?

You said you're not going to learn the rules...we can't talk about who broke them if you don't know them.

[stevenleser]

41. That's your strawman. nt

[aikoaiko]

13. I'm still trying to figure it all out but I think the issue was process related.

HRC was going to have more delegates either way but they were shit out of the legit process when the chair didn't follow their rules.

Procedural justice can be a powerful thing.


Still I don't condone some of the words used to express their unhappiness.

[stevenleser]

19. Yup, all this nonsense was over Sanders supporters trying to game the system after Hillary won

the caucus on caucus night.

Everything else is window-dressing.

[berni_mccoy]

28. Sexist post. There were plenty of women at the NV convention

Who were Bernie supporters. There were also supporters of Bernie of all ages there. Your Bernie bro brockaganda is failed. Give it up.

[Bonobo]

36. You really only know one song, don't you? nt

[jmousso75]

46. All of these young men feeling the bern and feeling like something was taken from them in NV.

I guess Hillary supporters are allowed to use foul language on this forum.

[Bad Dog]

65. If Sanders drops out while it's still mathematically possible to win

I think the charges of a stitch up will only get stronger. The best course of action is to carry on until one person (most likely Clinton,) actually wins.

[boston bean]

66. It is not mathematically possible for him to win.

Dear goddesses. Please help people to understand that simple fact.

[Recursion]

67. Sure it is. If he wins 70% or so of the remaining delegates he'll have a majority

It's not practically possible for him to do that, but it's mathematically possible.

[Warren DeMontague]

70. He's not dropping out before all the primaries are over. That's simply not happening.

What happens after that is less clear.

[m-lekktor]

69. young men? I saw quite a few women in the photos ,I find it precious you Hillary folk always

intentionally state "young men" for bullshit propaganda purposes. It's obvious what you all are doing!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

72. Drop out?! LMAO You don't like the rules now?

Predictably pathetic. You guys cry like babies.




How should this idiotic process be changed to satisfy you. Believe me, the thing needs an overhaul and you guys agree with Bernie on that point. But you're too full of FALSE pride to admit it.

FALSE pride = too small to agree with opponent, follow the rules! until they work against you, then cry like little babies

[frylock]

73. Yeah, I mean, fuck all the women that were effected.