Really Bernie supporters in NV were upset that

[boston bean]

they felt they were louder than clinton supporters when voice voting on a basic motion to accept temporary rules that prohibit use of bullhorns?

WTF???

Democracy was murdered that very day! LOL

[stonecutter357]

1. Democracy was murdered that very day!

[Ash_F]

2. By all accounts there were more Bernie Supporters in the room.

Clinton supporters had left. Their choice.

[boston bean]

5. LOL! haha

[Ash_F]

32. Got a source?

[boston bean]

34. Yeah, the outcome of the convention. Look it up yourself.

[Ash_F]

36. So you have nothing?

[boston bean]

37. I just provided you a fact! LOL

[JoePhilly]

23. By all account of Bernie supporters on the internet.

[boston bean]

27. They thought they could phone it in or vote in an online poll. nt

[JoePhilly]

28. They thought they'd already stolen NV.

They were so very proud that they started to change their registrations back to whatever they were before.

Ooops.

[boston bean]

29. woopsie daisy! poor them! Always getting shammed by a rigged system. LOL

[Ash_F]

33. Source please.

[Thinkingabout]

3. It is easy to determine who has the majority when the number of Hillary delegates

Which showed up was higher than Sanders delegates. The chair was very correct in making her decision. Only in a world where it is believed oligarchy is in control would it be possible for the minority to win votes.

[boston bean]

4. Well, there is that. But that is to much reality in one post for many to believe. nt

[bobbobbins01]

6. More rules for you:

If it's not clear who gets the majority, then the convention is supposed to have a “vote of division of assembly". A division of assembly vote involves having people stand on either side of the room to indicate their vote.

If there were more Clinton supporters there, they'd have had no problem going this route. Unfortunately there weren't. Sanders supporters outnumbered Clinton ones, so the Chair had to cheat.

[boston bean]

7. I listened and I think it was a fine call.

And I also think it was a good idea to not allow bullhorns. LOL

[bobbobbins01]

8. Objectively, it was a shitty call.

If you can't admit that, it says a lot about you and your agenda. I hope you're proud.

[boston bean]

9. I am very proud, thank you. And no, I think it was the right call.

bunch of nuts putting up a stink about being able to use a bullhorn. WTF!

[bobbobbins01]

14. You can think what you want, but you're wrong.

Facts are facts. And the bullhorn was only one amendment, there were several much more egregious ones.

[boston bean]

24. Oh and what were those.. You know so much, spell them out here, and provide reasoning for how

awful and unfair they were to Bernie supporters.

[DebDoo]

39. No bullhorns!....unless your Bill Clinton

[hack89]

10. Over bullhorns? Really? nt

[bobbobbins01]

11. There were no bullhorns.

And if there was any question about who was louder, they could have done a vote of division of assembly. Don't make things up.

[hack89]

13. Prohibiting bullhorns was what the voice vote was about. nt

[bobbobbins01]

16. No, there were several rules. That was just one.

You know that.

[boston bean]

12. yes, that is the truth.

[hack89]

15. I believe you. nt

[apnu]

18. We now know there were more Clinton members than Sanders members.

[bobbobbins01]

19. How do we know that?

Please provide a source.

[Armstead]

17. The chair could have easily solved that.

Either a roll call, or show of hands or physical separation of yes and no, with a head count

[seabeyond]

21. Over a blowhorn. Don't even need a vote to say no. Just common sense and courtesy.

[Armstead]

25. On both sides -- It was an emotionally escalated situation.

The chair could have taken steps to accommodate people to lower the temperature in the room.

[LuvLoogie]

41. Yeah, like my eight-year-old when she's screaming and inconsolable.

I speak softly and gently pick her up and take her to Big Bed and its nice, down comforter. I tell her to cry into the pillow.

She's chill in like 10 to 15 minutes.

[Armstead]

43. Asinine statement

[seabeyond]

44. I was trying to write a post with the same message as you. Boss came in and I had to get to work

And cancel the post I was typing. That is exactly what we are talking. We are adults. No, we do not have to coddle and stroke Sanders people to appease them with the ridiculous. Not our job.

This entitlement is interesting.

[apnu]

22. Yes, but she didn't

Sanders people were unruly from the outset, coming from a build up over weeks prior to that day, and the Chair panicked and reacted poorly in response.

Everybody involved is at fault in one way or another. Hillary's campaign too. They couldn't get their shit together at the county level and Bernie people took advantage of that. Then Bernie's people couldn't get their shit together and show up at the state convention.

The Nevada State Dems, the Hillary Clinton Campaign and the Bernie Sanders Campaign screwed up and fanned these flames.

[Armstead]

26. I basically agree with you -- It was a situation that got out of control,

But rather than objective assessments, all of the focus is on how evil and rotten Sanders and his supporters are.

[apnu]

40. Yes the blame game repugnant to me as well.

We aren't working constructively, this thing has become a food fight. I'm sick of it.

[seabeyond]

45. Over months, Sanders supporters are being encourage to create chaos from team Sanders, and Sanders

himself. It is like the Republicans do this shit and then they say, both..... No, It is not both. Sanders supporters behaved poorly in Feb caucus, they behaved really poorly in county convention and were pumped to be even worse this time. With their people not showing up, they had to win by cheating even more, which ratchet up the anger and intimidation. No, it was not both sides.

[apnu]

46. I think we are talking two different things

I am not saying Hillary's people are trying to sow chaos. What I am saying is, in Nevada, on that day, both sides reacted poorly.

Sanders supporters were primed and hot walking in the door. And at the start they jumped on the chair and the floor and threw a fit over minor things (like rules of bullhorns). However the convention chair and the committee choose not to try and calm the heated Sanders people and things ratcheted up from there. Both sides escalating the conflict.

In situations like this, it takes two to tango. And tango they did.

Given the history of Sanders and his supporters angry vehemence, plus his Campaign's newness to Democratic rules, not to mention the general "youth" (newness of supporters) in Democratic Party politics, the Democratic Party should have, by now known about these issues and done something to deal with them. Clearly that didn't happen. Sanders was welcomed by the DNC with open arms into this party when he threw his hat in the ring and he's struggled with the arcane rules, the National Party could do more to assist him and his campaign so he and his campaign can assist his supporters.

So I'm standing by my point. Both sides are to blame. Sanders people are unreasonably hot, DNC is not being helpful, almost gleeful watching Sanders people burn up in rage.

This thing is out of hand and no adult has stepped forward to douse the flames.

[seabeyond]

20. Fuckin' blowhorns? They threw a tantrum because they couldn't play with their fuckin' toy?

I didn't know that. That is too embarrassingly sad I think. Lordy. This whole mess, calling women the B and C word and threatening them and children, over not getting a bullhorn to yell over everyone else.

So fuckin' entitled.

Really Boston?

Wow.

[Snarkoleptic]

30. These videos break down the rules violations that upset the NV Sandernistas.

[think]

38. Thank you for posting. Hopefully people will watch and learn.

[Gothmog]

31. The Sanders supporters felt that the rules didnot apply to them

[NCTraveler]

35. I wish Big Dogg Bullhorn Bill was there.

That in itself would have some unhinged individuals yelling fraud. Then again his safety would have been at serious risk. I hope the Clintons are protected extremely well.

[Nanjeanne]

42. Well that's a bit simplistic but expected. They were actually upset that their ability

to participate in the democratic process was squashed even when they complied with new and arbitrary rules. Wrote petitions by 9:30 am with the necessary signatures and were not allowed to present them for a vote. When they tried to speak they were told they couldn't be heard. One woman got a bullhorn so she could be heard only to have her bullhorn taken away. One Hillary supporter, ex-Congressman and father to Erin Bilbray, a DNC official in NV actually tore his ballot up and walked out he was so disgusted with the way people were being treated.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.