2016 Postmortem
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...I sincerely hope that those who are running Hillary's campaign learn this valuable lesson: When you go ahead and burn that bridge, make sure you're actually off of that bridge first.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...I've never witnessed a campaign so willing and eager to alienate it's own base that the 2016 Clinton campaign.. Those disaffected and alienated are going to play a ar larger role in the GE than Hillary's firewall in the Confederacy.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Who are you defining as the base?
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)Who believe in a living wage for a full-time job. A fair and just legal system. A foreign policy that's more diplomatic, less "We came, we saw, HE DIED". And who hold fast to the principle which is taken for granted everywhere else in the developed world, that health care is a human right.
It is also a group you may no longer take for granted.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The base is why Clinton is winning. She has a better message for minorities and women.
Again, who are you defining as the Democratic Party base? White male independents?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)that Trump will provide all those things...plus wonderful court picks...indeed. (sarcasm)
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders is losing the primary big time. Must be easy to just make wild speculative claims.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Bernie is still garnering 40 - 45% of the votes and delegates. That's not a big time loss.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clearly that goes for O'Malley as well. I wish he was still around. He had his best showing in KY.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)And will never be forgiven.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...Hillary has no chance against Herr Donald. YOU made the wrong choice. This disaster is fully YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)A group so concerned about what they will or will not get frim a candidate
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)boston bean
(36,220 posts)for them getting berned.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Torch = progressive / liberal ideology
Bridge = Establishment corporatist DEMs and leadership
If HRC and her supporters can't wrap their head around closing the primaries out in the weakest of campaign matchups, that's on them and their candidate.... BLAME INDEED... look in the mirror
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Truth...St. Bernie lost...now let the tantrums begin...spite and selfishness.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)so close you're standing on the X on that bridge with the flames raging around ya
'St. Bernie lost...now let the tantrums begin...spite and selfishness'
OPs post... '...I sincerely hope that those who are running Hillary's campaign learn this valuable lesson: When you go ahead and burn that bridge, make sure you're actually off of that bridge first.'
'nuff said, thx for playin'
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...all at once. You'll be begging for the good ol' days when it was only a cranky old Senator and his ragtag bunch of misfits who were rattling your cage.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Trump loves it though.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...that Hillary can't beat him.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If I want to read republican propaganda Ill go to freakrepublic and cut out the hypocrisy.
Bye-bye
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)I hope you will do just as well a job of ignoring the cataclysm of a collapsing economy embedded within a collapsing empire embedded within a collapsing ecosystem.
It's hard to fight for that last bottle of clean water with your fingers glued inside your ears.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)If you all manage to elect Trump because you can't have Bernie.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Bernie to run as an Indy - because he's so sure he can beat Hillary. Do you even hear yourself sounding so ridiculous?
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-independent-2016-5
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)...that Hillary can't beat him.
Your powers of prognostication are risible.
Hey, I work in a casino. Why not place a few betting lines?
FLORIDA Clinton by 13.5%
ILLINOIS Clinton by 4.8%
MISSOURI Sanders by 7.2%
NORTH CAROLINA Clinton by 9.5%
OHIO Sanders by 3.0%
Let's see how I stack up against the pros.
PS: For entertainment purposes only. Neither DU nor the DNC condones gambling. It does keep a roof over my head, though.
-Golden Thunder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511493757
Two wrong winners and lines that weren't even close.
-Golden Thunder
Not well.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or being a BoB is the exact same as a vote for Hillary - seriously I hadn't laughed that hard in days
eta if anyone want to claim I support Trump it's like this there are unfortunately Trump supporters in my extended family
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)She and her supporters most certainly are. And here's the truth: they need us in November. They have fanned the flames rather than trying to put them out or diffuse the situation. They keep doing shit the reinforces the Bernie supporters impression that they're rigging this process and have total distain for the nearly half the party that supports him and his policies even when they don't have to.
Yeah, Bernie supporters are pissed. And they have good reason. And if you think continuing to dismiss and disrespect and smear them is a winning strategy you're just wrong. The party is going to need to adapt or it will die. You guys have far more to win by being a little gracious in victory and more to lose in the long run by antagonizing the Sanders wing of the party. Oh, and btw- she will most likely win the nomination but we're not going away and this struggle for the direction of the country and party does not end in July or November. We're in it for the long haul.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)not nominate St. Bernie even though he lost by all measures?
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)You think destroying the election for Democrats by being spiteful and angry will hurt us...shows your complete selfish nous...you and Bernie don't care a bit about the millions you will hurt if Trump becomes president...so spare me your preachy BS. How you just can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary but...left unsaid...Trump is just fine with you...I grew up in Connecticut. My Dad worked in the same circle as Trump did and he is a piece of shite. Bernie's supporters and Bernie the candidate seriously make me want to heave. I sincere hope that every Bernie supporter who doesn't vote or votes for Trump...or Stein (same thing) suffers doubly under Trump, you earned it...as for Bernie...I hope never to see his face again politically speaking. I am a liberal and would be very interested starting with state elections ...grassroots working to pull the party left. But I would never be involved with anything that has anything to do with Bernie...besides if Trump gets in, why would I waste my time...with all the court picks there can be no progressive revolution. Thanks Bernie for what the so-called indies always provide in real achievements...nothing.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)about the people.myself and many americans will be screwed by republicans and corporate dems alike.
Clintons can go to hell for all I care.i hate them as much as i do republicans.
you calim to be liberal but like clinton supporters you are fine with moving to the right as long as she wins.
Untill 2016 the clintons were best buddys with trump.so spare me your attacks.
your own candiate says she doesn't need us bernie supporters so it shouldn't matter if we stay home on election day.