Thu May 19, 2016, 09:54 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
Election fraud in MA,IL,NY,DE,MD,AZ,NV & now KY make Hillary an illegitimate nominee
Nothing more.
Stopping her at the convention is no longer about 'sour grapes'. Cheaters are not legitimate. Remember Bush? They threw eggs at his inauguration limo! He had to get back in the limo, and could not do the walk. The bleachers were half empty. It was a sad affair. There is nothing inspiring about Hillary's campaign. She breeds anger with her arrogance and disrespect for our rule of law. This really pisses attorneys off! Editing to add the links, as Hillary's supporters say this is a bullshit OP. So here are the facts....the opinion part, is that I believe she is no longer a legitimate nominee. Links: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-decertifies-baltimore-election-results-investigates-irregularities/2016/05/12/fca6e128-1861-11e6-9e16-2e5a123aac62_story.html and.... http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/13/chicago-election-official-admits-numbers-didnt-match-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/ She is no longer a legitimate nominee with all the found, documented fraud. And now Kentucky really shows what the hell is going on, certainly after Grimes said her job 'was to make sure Hillary wins'. Her staff doesn't even know what the function of that office is! I found this out first hand when I called Grimes office after the botched election in Kentucky. Due to her comments, I believe she should recuse herself from any recounting/re-scanning. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511994671 GO BERNIE! Winners don't quit....and quitters don't win. ![]()
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ViseGrip | May 2016 | OP |
Gomez163 | May 2016 | #1 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #2 | |
reddread | May 2016 | #9 | |
LonePirate | May 2016 | #19 | |
reddread | May 2016 | #31 | |
LonePirate | May 2016 | #32 | |
reddread | May 2016 | #34 | |
toddwv | May 2016 | #35 | |
Scootaloo | May 2016 | #27 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #40 | |
apcalc | May 2016 | #3 | |
sharp_stick | May 2016 | #4 | |
book_worm | May 2016 | #5 | |
dchill | May 2016 | #17 | |
CrowCityDem | May 2016 | #6 | |
Cosmic Kitten | May 2016 | #7 | |
leftynyc | May 2016 | #8 | |
RockaFowler | May 2016 | #10 | |
SFnomad | May 2016 | #14 | |
Native | May 2016 | #23 | |
obamanut2012 | May 2016 | #25 | |
Native | May 2016 | #33 | |
Recursion | May 2016 | #11 | |
Renew Deal | May 2016 | #12 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #22 | |
SFnomad | May 2016 | #13 | |
artyteacher | May 2016 | #15 | |
redstateblues | May 2016 | #16 | |
Godhumor | May 2016 | #18 | |
Recursion | May 2016 | #21 | |
ViseGrip | May 2016 | #30 | |
Progressive dog | May 2016 | #20 | |
Agschmid | May 2016 | #24 | |
LanternWaste | May 2016 | #26 | |
JustABozoOnThisBus | May 2016 | #28 | |
MariaThinks | May 2016 | #29 | |
ViseGrip | May 2016 | #39 | |
Tarc | May 2016 | #36 | |
oasis | May 2016 | #37 | |
felix_numinous | May 2016 | #38 | |
barrow-wight | May 2016 | #41 |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:58 AM
Gothmog (136,280 posts)
2. The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense
The claims in the OP are simply false http://www.thenation.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-clinton-campaign-stole-votes-makes-no-sense/
It’s a conspiracy theory, and conspiracy theories tend to fall apart under the weight of their own internal illogic. Consider the 9/11 attacks: If they were a “false flag” operation pulled off by a cabal of extremists within the Bush administration in order to create a casus belli for the invasion of Iraq, why wouldn’t they make the attackers evil Iraqi intelligence officers rather than citizens of Saudi Arabia? And if they really felt the need to bring down the World Trade Center, why bother shooting a missile at the Pentagon? Why crash an airplane into a field in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania? Even judged on its own terms, the theory makes no sense.
Obviously, if campaign operatives were caught rigging a primary or caucus, their candidate would face a media shit-storm, their political careers would be over, and they might well end up in prison. So let’s set aside the specifics for a moment and consider whether there’s a coherent motive for these crimes that would be worth the risk. Put yourself in the shoes of a vicious Clinton operative with loose ethics and a desire to win at all costs. Why would such a person bother rigging the vote in Wyoming, the state with the fewest delegates up for grabs? That’s a significant risk and a lot of trouble to go through to turn what might have been an 8-6 or perhaps 9-5 delegate split into a 7-7 outcome. he same problem holds more generally. While Sanders has run an excellent campaign and exceeded all expectations, at no point during the Democratic primaries has he been on track to win. Sanders has held a lead in a handful of national polls, but at no time in the past year has his support broken 42 percent in FiveThirtyEight’s weighted polling average. And at no point in the race has Clinton held a lead narrower than 9.7 percentage points in that average. Why would any campaign, no matter how unprincipled, fix a race that it’s been winning from the start? Of course, we don’t have a national primary, and Sanders has only gained support—and eaten into Clinton’s—over time. But looking back at the calendar, there hasn’t been a time when the Clinton campaign would have had a rational incentive to start rigging the contests. |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:01 AM
reddread (6,896 posts)
9. suppression, reregistering voters in the wrong party, lying, lying, lying
Response to reddread (Reply #9)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:21 AM
LonePirate (13,199 posts)
19. None of which have been traced back to Clinton but conspiracy theories thrive on evidence vacuums.
Response to LonePirate (Reply #19)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
reddread (6,896 posts)
31. in other words, yes but its ok she didnt do it herself
that seems a fair assessment.
as opposed to buzz words and vacuous dismissiveness |
Response to reddread (Reply #31)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
LonePirate (13,199 posts)
32. You can believe whatever you want, even if there are no facts or evidence to back you up.
Response to LonePirate (Reply #32)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:44 AM
reddread (6,896 posts)
34. "none of which"
sounds like you acknowledge them yourself.
based on evidence I presume. plenty of documented problems. thanks for the exercise. |
Response to reddread (Reply #34)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:58 AM
toddwv (2,828 posts)
35. Haven't most, if not all, of the problems traced back to state or county-wide issues?
Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:53 AM
Scootaloo (25,699 posts)
27. Well, given that Clinton supporters keep excusing Bush' Florida election fraud by blaming hte left..
One can forgive eyebrows raised in suspicion
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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #27)
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:56 PM
Gothmog (136,280 posts)
40. Gore won Florida-Sanders never was really in competition to be the nominee
Sanders never had a realistic chance of being the nominee. Sanders only did well in mainly white states with few POC voters. Sanders never had a significant appeal to key demographic groups in the base of the Democratic Party which is why he was never competitive
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:59 AM
sharp_stick (14,400 posts)
4. I imagine tinfoil prices spike
when you move into a new neighborhood.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
book_worm (15,951 posts)
5. Sore losers always say this
Response to book_worm (Reply #5)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:10 AM
dchill (36,955 posts)
17. Cheaters always say THAT.
Exit polls are real.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)
6. The only legitimate election is one Bernie wins, eh?
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:00 AM
Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)
7. The DNC bias alone calls the legitimacy into question.
Win at any costs it the Clinton way
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:01 AM
leftynyc (26,060 posts)
8. You should be embarrassed
at being such a poor loser. I can only speak to my state - a state Hillary would have won by even more if those 100,000+ Brooklyn voters weren't purged. Sour grapes indeed.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:02 AM
RockaFowler (7,429 posts)
10. Shouldn't this be in the Conspiracy Theory Forum??
When is this garbage going to stop????
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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #10)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:37 AM
Native (5,766 posts)
23. OMG - WE SO NEED A CONSPIRACY THEORY FORUM. I BOW TO YOU!!!
Response to Native (Reply #23)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:44 AM
obamanut2012 (24,802 posts)
25. du has one
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #25)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:42 AM
Native (5,766 posts)
33. That's right! I totally forgot - haven't visited that forum since my 1st year on DU in '02
Dang. I'll have to look into that forum again.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:02 AM
Recursion (56,566 posts)
11. You guys are out of your goddamn minds
What the fuck is happening here?
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:03 AM
Renew Deal (81,383 posts)
12. Emphasis on NOMINEE
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #12)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
22. Right! The General Election doesn't matter
as long as the Presumptuous Nominee, HRM HRC, gets the party's tiara!
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:04 AM
SFnomad (3,473 posts)
13. When someone is losing, they'll desperatly grab at any straw they can
no matter how embarrassing it makes them look.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:08 AM
artyteacher (598 posts)
15. my friend predicted this....
Conspiracy nonsense months ago. She was so right.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:08 AM
redstateblues (10,563 posts)
16. What a bunch of whiners, sore losers and crybabies you Bernie or Busters are
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:12 AM
Godhumor (6,437 posts)
18. And this is why Bernie needs to release his delegates before the convention
We're entering unhinged territory.
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Response to Godhumor (Reply #18)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:29 AM
Recursion (56,566 posts)
21. Seriously. This is approaching chtemtrails levels of crazy (nt)
Response to Recursion (Reply #21)
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:11 AM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
30. Really? I thought people here actually followed elections and the electronic shenanigans.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
Progressive dog (6,686 posts)
20. With or without links
that makes no sense. It's like Bernie blaming the DNC for treating him as any other Democrat.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:38 AM
Agschmid (28,749 posts)
24. ... Here we go, buckle up y'all.
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:50 AM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
26. We often pretend that what sticks longest to the wall is objective...
We often pretend that what sticks longest to the wall before finally sagging down to the linoleum is objective, allowing our bias to imagine fecal matter is both righteous and true.
Hilary wins only fraudulent elections. Sanders wins are dramatic, pure and without sin. ![]() Every. Single. Time. ![]() |
Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
JustABozoOnThisBus (23,046 posts)
28. Yeah, maybe, but she's OUR illegitimate nominee ...
... a little better than that OTHER illegitimate nominee.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:57 AM
MariaThinks (2,495 posts)
29. bernie is an illegitimate candidate because he whines about electoral fraud but doesn't
acknowledge when it was been used to suppress Clinton votes and turnout.
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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #29)
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:47 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
39. ha ha..illegitimate is when you can't run for public office due to past crimes in office.
Buh bye Hillary!
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:00 PM
Tarc (10,440 posts)
36. Still waiting for Sanders legal team to challenge any of these state's results...
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:45 PM
felix_numinous (5,198 posts)
38. We are not going away
this time, not going to shut up and enable fraud.
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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:03 PM
barrow-wight (744 posts)
41. Your candidate lost.
Get over it. He got fewer votes. A whole bunch of people didn't believe he as Jesus. It happens.
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