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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:02 PM May 2016

To Hillary supporters I don't think she's evil or machiavellian.

I think she's wrong and her neoliberal, neoconservative policies are bad for the country. She's light years better than Trump but her policies will continue the expansion of income inequality gap.

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TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
1. Self-Affecting is a closer term, right down to the server and BlackBerry to make her life easier.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

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Any other social byproducts of her actions are a direct result of self-affecting behavior.

Her non-committal of KXL, and other recent changes of opinion--mostly driven by market research over core values.


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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
2. For me, no to the former, yes to the latter.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

Evil? Of course not. For one thing, I don't ascribe that trait to people at all...only to actions. Moreover, Human being are complex, and I don't think I've ever met any that were cartoonish enough to actually resemble the "evil" bad guys in poorly-written fiction.

But Machiavellian? Yeah, I think that's fair, actually. She's an "anything to win" type, through and through.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
6. Up to a certain point, I like Machiavellian in a politician.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

Politics ain't hopscotch.

I sure want her to be as MACHIAVELLIAN as possible against Drumpf in November. If it means she's more prepared and more ruthless than her opponent, we all win.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
5. Her policies are very neo-liberal when they are not neo-conservative. She is a war hawk & corporate
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. What policies are you talking about?
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

Unless you're just editorializing and making things up to coincide with your point of view, we must be looking at different policies. If I go browse through her website and read, first hand, what her policies are, I can't see anything that would correspond with what you're saying.

I'm not saying you're lying... exactly, but where are these policies you referring to?

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