2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA simple explaination why Sanders did not do better in the primary (it ain't because of fraud)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/us/politics/bernie-sanders-doesnt-kiss-babies-that-a-problem.html?_r=0For a candidate who has inspired the most impassioned followers since Barack Obama in 2008, Mr. Sanders is surprisingly impersonal, even uninterested, in one-on-one exchanges the sort of momentary encounters in which a candidate can show warmth and humility by gripping every open palm.
He rarely drops by diners or coffee shops with news cameras in tow, unlike most politicians. He hardly ever kisses babies, aides say, and does not mingle much at fund-raisers. To Mr. Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, political schmoozing is a phony business, and anathema to his total focus on weighty issues.
Clinton was mocked for her smaller events, but those sort of events are critical to winning the game.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-gambles-choosing-small-events-over-huge-rallies-n575311
Take the New York primary, for example. In the week leading up to the vote, Sanders held three huge events in Manhattan, Brooklyn and the Bronx.
Clinton instead focused on retail stops and smaller rallies. On the night of Sanders' Washington Square Park mega-event, Clinton spoke to about 1,000 people at a public housing community center in the Bronx.
Ironically enough, Sanders did not win any of the boroughs in which he held his largest gatherings.
Both these articles are worth reading, because they demonstrate a difference that I think as been a major factor. Clinton's retail style politics have done her a lot of good.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Faux pas
(14,645 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Faux pas
(14,645 posts)LexVegas
(6,031 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,795 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)really they are
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I completely agree. How many posts have I seen on DU deriding Hillary for not being able to draw those massive crowds? And I always thought to myself, "You genuinely think Hillary Clinton, one of the most famous women in the world, can't draw crowds?" It's by design, as is everything Hillary has done in this primary. Hillary makes the human connection. The pictures of her praying with church leaders in a black church in the south were met with the puke icon by Bernie supporters on here, but that stuff matters to a lot of people.
She learned from every mistake she made in 2008 and she put together a comprehensive plan of how to win, and she achieved it. The cries of fraud are mostly due to how incredibly prepared she was. Yeah, she got her donors in a row. Yeah, she had good relationships with her colleagues in government and with the media. Yeah, her ground game was unbelievably good. Yeah, she made sure she had the support before she started. That's what she's SUPPOSED to do, and no doubt it's the only way a woman would EVER have got as far as she has. It's not RIGGED, she just built her machine better.
Great post.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)...a "bad campaigner" during this primary. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best at campaigning in a way the media is obviously just not prepared to cover adequately.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)head and heart around. That our country would be so corrupt. And we spend money and military to make sure elections are real elsewhere.
Bullshit....is your OP. You have no explanation, until you can see the source in the voting machines. But federal law prohibits that currently. No one is allowed to see how the tabulators are programmed to count. Not even you. So guess all you want.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)over 2 is considered fraud by the U.S.
Where have you been? You must not have been a voter in 2002 or 2004. Just my guess.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)"My candidate didn't win, so it must of have been fraud!" is not evidence. Unless you have some real, hard evidence that is paranoid speculation, be quiet.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You guys have broadened the definition of 'fraud' to include any election Sanders does not win.
It's clever as a short-term gimmick, but it won't stick in the long run; and additionally, it hurts the actual of cases of election fraud actually happening.
So, guess all you want Part Two, The Guesses Strike Back.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)so it must be the fault of the big events.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Because if he did he might have to answer detailed questions on how he plans to accomplish his goals and we all know he's no good at that
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)The fact that he has fewer Congressional endorsements than Ted Cruz. He clearly isn't the kind of guy who works well with others and because of this he will never be able to build a coalition or get people to come together.
Whether it's some sort of crippling shyness or whatever, he can't do any of what he wants to do. It's that simple.
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uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... had 150... but damn... 5 or so?
They knew something was wrong with him
randome
(34,845 posts)But a national leader needs to learn to overcome that and be something greater. Sanders isn't able to do that. It's just the way things are.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)it's the Republicans.
randome
(34,845 posts)Cruz turns people's stomachs, both Republican and Democratic. Sanders is more like the friendly uncle whom you realize later in your life that you never really had much in common with all along.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and his campaign slogan should have been "Who wants a damp hug?"
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The bad man is gone now. There, there.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I've read that he's even been difficult with staff.
dchill
(38,451 posts)Huma - Gum!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)
In 2008, Obama was the candidate from the outside, yet he still managed to snag quite a few congressional endorsements. Why? Because he's someone who you can work with.
dchill
(38,451 posts)the whole DNC. Now she can, which makes her someone they HAVE TO work with.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... economic issues and warnings of economic insecurity which made no sense to the already economically insecure.
Obama was a long shot in 08 and so was Sanders now... Obama was a better candidate
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KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)All the mindless comments in the world aren't going to change the fact that Clinton ran circles around Sanders in this campaign. If you can't think of anything people than this, you are as tone deaf as your spirit father/lover Bernie Sanders.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...just the more genuine progressive agenda and grass-roots base.
An even simpler explanation, however, is that he competed as a relative unknown against a rock-star celebrity, and deliberately hamstring his ca,paign by not rolling over for the easy money.
The power of this message helped him gain support steadily from the Clinton default, though he may have plateaued for this primary.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)And the people that will show up in November are that very voting block. Also, those fundraisers raise money for other Democrats running for other offices. Bernie evidently does not understand that it will take at least a Democrat majority in the Senate to get anything moving.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)well to continue to notice the power and impact and popularity of his ideas.
Heck, Bernie came into the race in the first place in a kind of hesitant manner. Contrary to those around here who think it is all about ego for him, that seems very little to be the case. He wants the People to have the voice, to do a lot of the work, to have the power. That is one of the beautiful things about him.
Hillary and the Democratic Party could and should learn from him. They should continue to support and implement the kind of Progressive policies he has espoused. Even those of you who support Hillary had admitted that you either support those policies or did before you thought them too vague or unrealistic or his supporters too objectionable. They are popular policies, for Democrats and for a majority of Americans, according to the polls.
Hillary and Party should stick to these and not fall back on the antiquated and never very successful technique of "tacking back to the Right" for the general. Not only do you risk and practically guarantee risk losing the support of Sanders large contingent, but that message is so old, unmotivating. The Reagan Revolution is dead. Trump's nomination guarantees that.
Take advantage of it. It's time for THE PROGRESSIVE SOLUTION.