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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:16 PM May 2016

Maddow: "EEEK!! Bernie's going to destroy the Democratic Party."

She is beside herself that Sanders had the audacity actually "running to win",
rather than simply running a "protest campaign" and calling it good.

But wait, now she's saying Sanders supporters are "violent" and planning to
disrupt the convention and irreparably split the Party with mass civil "defiance"
and disobedience.

Man, Rachael is getting harder to watch every day. The M$M lies about "violence"
at the NV convention have been debunked, yet the lies continue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=OYaR4X2KDmkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=OYaR4X2KDmk

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Maddow: "EEEK!! Bernie's going to destroy the Democratic Party." (Original Post) 99th_Monkey May 2016 OP
Dumped listening to Maddow weeks ago FreakinDJ May 2016 #1
Ignored us, laughed at us, now fighting us....all that's left is we WIN! MaeScott May 2016 #3
Sanders is lying to his supporters, he cannot win: he is dishonest lewebley3 May 2016 #18
His supporters know this is an uphill battle. Fawke Em May 2016 #62
This^^^^would not be an issue without the FBI granting immunity libdem4life May 2016 #83
I stopped months ago and can't believe I did. pdsimdars May 2016 #38
Welcome to a NOT so exclusive club! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #45
She's just another COrporate stooge protecting her pay check Ferd Berfel May 2016 #81
I bailed after they canned Donahue. frylock May 2016 #125
I did to, for awhile Ferd Berfel May 2016 #185
Fox should hire her for this campaign. Skink May 2016 #2
Yeah both she Faux pas May 2016 #4
Hayes is just telling you the truth: Sanders has been rejected lewebley3 May 2016 #19
So they report the facts and your reaction is to do this? Sad Actor May 2016 #57
Editorializing isn't telling "the truth." Fawke Em May 2016 #66
Nothing Faux pas May 2016 #88
1. Redefine the word "facts" demwing May 2016 #112
So you think Rachel is a liar? That is what right wingers think. Actor May 2016 #116
You think media mouthpieces don't lie? That is what sycophants think. demwing May 2016 #117
Can you point to a lie of hers? I am just a dumb sycophant and would like to see if you can, Actor May 2016 #118
Well she's lying about the violence in NV. frylock May 2016 #126
right, thus the OP demwing May 2016 #145
I think I just figured out who is who around here, I was confused at first Actor May 2016 #172
Did you miss that class at Brock U? frylock May 2016 #173
While you play this deadly game, the world is scared to death you will be successful Actor May 2016 #177
Clinton encouraged Trump to run, not Bernie demwing May 2016 #182
Who is "ourselves" I thought this was a board for liberal Democrats, or liberals? Actor May 2016 #183
So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud? demwing May 2016 #176
So the Democratic Party is committing voter fraud? Say that again please. Actor May 2016 #179
So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud? demwing May 2016 #181
You understand the OP has already established this, correct? demwing May 2016 #144
The vast majority of them are lemmings, demwing. You have to remember one phrase concerning them: VulgarPoet May 2016 #169
Good point demwing May 2016 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author demwing May 2016 #111
Maddie hasn't been relevant since KO left. Her audience Exilednight May 2016 #5
Not to mention that she may truly support Hillary but she is jwirr May 2016 #68
That and a $7 Million dollar pay check go a long way to destroy her integrity. Vincardog May 2016 #85
You've got to be kidding! She came into her own after he left. LisaM May 2016 #132
She is not trying to stay neutral passiveporcupine May 2016 #159
Sorry Rachel but the Democratic Party is destroying itself. redwitch May 2016 #6
+10 --> Can't argue with that, even If I wanted to. n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #11
Sadly Sanders is destroying himself: fame has gone to his head lewebley3 May 2016 #20
deteriorated from the inside out. same with the R party. Hiraeth May 2016 #24
And to be blunt, good riddance to both. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #30
still holding my breath on that last statement. Hiraeth May 2016 #35
Yeah, so am I, actually. That was unnecessarily gloomy. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #40
it is getting surreal, right Hiraeth May 2016 #50
I concur. Get rid of parties altogether; the founders were suspicious of them for good Blue Meany May 2016 #79
To paraphrase Jefferson... VulgarPoet May 2016 #170
And Sanders and his supporters are the main weapon question everything May 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #48
Now, now Amaril May 2016 #82
Already going to blame tRump on Sanders supporters? Raster May 2016 #109
It's NEVER Hillary's fault demwing May 2016 #115
Mark my words. MSNBC will be sold by Comcast as soon as Trump wins. Their mission will have floriduck May 2016 #7
TYT basicly said the same thing. PFunk1 May 2016 #131
The Democratic Party (tm) is destroying itself mindwalker_i May 2016 #8
Sanders people are destroying his message with violence lewebley3 May 2016 #28
Not sure. With all the parellels with Trump question everything May 2016 #41
Two candidates have supporters who have been arrested for violence. jeff47 May 2016 #52
You are a liar mindwalker_i May 2016 #63
Hillbot. Katashi_itto May 2016 #64
Ignore him. He just needs the attention pangaia May 2016 #140
Completely untrue. More lies and media manipulation. Raster May 2016 #110
She's such a victim notadmblnd May 2016 #9
NO, its the American people that will be the victims without lewebley3 May 2016 #22
They don't care. They will welcome Trump question everything May 2016 #43
... notadmblnd May 2016 #75
No, probably was an spokesperson for The Royal Crown, libdem4life May 2016 #86
Just another jester hoping to sing for the king and queen notadmblnd May 2016 #87
Sounds like it. But at least they disguised it as humor...this one is lacking that libdem4life May 2016 #90
I was being facetious notadmblnd May 2016 #91
I know...I just played on it. libdem4life May 2016 #93
The jester wants to sing for the king and queen Art_from_Ark May 2016 #151
Did he borrow his coat from James Dean? Fawke Em May 2016 #166
The Hillary Campaign's Project "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later." merrily May 2016 #10
Sanders is discrediting himself: he is lying about winning lewebley3 May 2016 #23
No, he is not. That is a Brock meme. I am on Bernie's mailing list and know what he is saying. merrily May 2016 #42
Another sanders fan obsessed with Brock. te he I am glad he gets you goat... riversedge May 2016 #152
Obsessed? LOL! The things some of you come up with are entertaining, and reveal a lot about you. merrily May 2016 #161
No one is claiming "winning" but the HRC Crowd. I get Bernie's emails, too libdem4life May 2016 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #12
Isn't that the truth. Skwmom May 2016 #108
"She is beside herself that Sanders had the audacity actually 'running to win'" caquillo May 2016 #13
Look, another one. Maedhros May 2016 #55
ditto, wow these idiots are popping up in droves. or should i say, in d---Roves:) litlbilly May 2016 #149
There's Boxers and Boxers of them. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #158
That whole "3 million votes" thing is such a crock. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #67
The Senior Senator from California is getting a bit antsy. libdem4life May 2016 #89
Like a pressure cooker passiveporcupine May 2016 #160
Good analogy. Hillary has surely turned up the heat. libdem4life May 2016 #165
.. frylock May 2016 #127
OK, but see this: MineralMan May 2016 #14
For the same reasons O'Reilly show grew at one point nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #27
Hers is not a news show. It is commentary. MineralMan May 2016 #31
My point, and she used to do very fine reporting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
"Isn't that interesting?" No (nt) jack_krass May 2016 #70
That will drop now that she's started this shit. Fawke Em May 2016 #71
Speaking of false equivalencies...unbecoming. libdem4life May 2016 #96
She has lost all credibility and no longer deserves any respect. She sold out. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #15
Hillary has great credibility she ran a wonderful campaign: Sanders lewebley3 May 2016 #26
I'm not talking about Hillary. Please, try to keep up if you're going to address me. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #39
Bots are slow nt Depaysement May 2016 #134
You are lying about Sanders lying...he doesn't say he's winning. So stop it. libdem4life May 2016 #97
Yes I remember when Rachel waged war with Politifact. gordianot May 2016 #16
Doom. Gloom. Pestilance. The End is Near. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #17
She is just another Hillary shill, a dime, a dozen of them in the media One Black Sheep May 2016 #21
The pay is good nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25
They did throw chairs and it has not been debunked.. r u allergic to reality? n/t asuhornets May 2016 #29
ONE chair was raised off the floor, ONE time, period. End of story.. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #44
Bernie supporters went there to try and change the delegates--it didn't work--they got mad asuhornets May 2016 #69
OMG! Someone "got mad". For shame. n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #72
Check your, um, facts. The Chair (person) changed the rules without libdem4life May 2016 #98
No. The Chairwoman already knew there were more Clinton delegates than Sanders delegates. asuhornets May 2016 #99
She did not play by the rules. She panicked. Deal with it. libdem4life May 2016 #101
No you deal with it...my candidate is winning!!!!!!!!!!! asuhornets May 2016 #103
Pretty sure this was not the discussion...but typical deflection. libdem4life May 2016 #104
... disillusioned73 May 2016 #46
Don't you get tired of being corrected. frylock May 2016 #130
I consider the source of those trying to correct me... asuhornets May 2016 #135
You guys are fucking toast. frylock May 2016 #150
Yea right... asuhornets May 2016 #153
OK...maybe they just waved them in the air..eom asuhornets May 2016 #168
there is video grasswire May 2016 #137
i saw it....Sanders bash the Demo Party, then expect them to hand over delegates to him.. asuhornets May 2016 #143
no grasswire May 2016 #146
I'm not to argue about a chair. n/t asuhornets May 2016 #154
but you are willing to lie about it? nt grasswire May 2016 #157
It HAS been debunked. passiveporcupine May 2016 #163
OK...maybe they just waved them in the air..eom asuhornets May 2016 #167
One guy, one chair passiveporcupine May 2016 #184
She is right. Bernie is damaging the Democratic Party severely ... KPN May 2016 #32
Rachel lost me a long ass time ago madokie May 2016 #33
Is that the right link? Sparkly May 2016 #34
it debunks the "violence" BS nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #47
Hey Rachel, it is YOU and the paid for corporate media that have ruined the party! ViseGrip May 2016 #49
stopped watching her several years ago. 2banon May 2016 #51
She is right and he has never said or done anything positive to add to or grow the Party Sheepshank May 2016 #53
Bernie is calling the Party to account for its own claims to really being "democratic" 99th_Monkey May 2016 #59
He has done nothing quite that noble. His history of insults to the Party.... Sheepshank May 2016 #73
I haven't watched Rachel in months. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #54
Ms. Maddow should practice journalism, imo. saidsimplesimon May 2016 #56
Some of his supporters were violent in NV last weekend. riversedge May 2016 #58
That is a TOTAL LIE! 99th_Monkey May 2016 #65
Also there was lots of Verbal Violence directed at a Democratic Senator from CA-Boxer! riversedge May 2016 #74
The situation became tense, people got visibly upset about the process <-- true 99th_Monkey May 2016 #94
she was blowing kisses at the crowd when she left grasswire May 2016 #142
There was verbal anger directed at Lange passiveporcupine May 2016 #164
Love Rachel!! She's the only one that realized that we don't need to 'court' Sanders voters. anotherproletariat May 2016 #60
Can't stand her any longer. Fawke Em May 2016 #61
You still watch ... Trajan May 2016 #76
Now Rachel projects too? AgingAmerican May 2016 #77
health alert oldandhappy May 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #121
I just got Netflix - lots of stuff oldandhappy May 2016 #122
She should just go to faux. She is one in the same. onecaliberal May 2016 #80
Yeah, she could team up with Steve whats-his-name Art_from_Ark May 2016 #162
I won't watch her even on youtube dana_b May 2016 #84
I hope she's right. tabasco May 2016 #95
By mistake, I happened to watch her last night. libdem4life May 2016 #100
Better get Mayor Daley to knock some heads quick! mhatrw May 2016 #102
look how much badly he does against Trump! there's only one candidate who'll throw the election MisterP May 2016 #105
Did I mention that I love her!! nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #106
No, Ms. Clinton's Cheerleader, you, team Clinton and the rest of the Corporatists have already Skwmom May 2016 #107
I like Rachel, but I hate the shilling she's been doing this election season DemocraticSocialist8 May 2016 #113
She knows which side of the bread is buttered d_legendary1 May 2016 #114
Civil disobedience used to be a progressive value Goblinmonger May 2016 #119
The "sky is falling" hysteria is pretty funny. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #120
OH NOES!!!! Not destroy!!! Autumn May 2016 #123
She's gone from the most likely successor to Olbermann to a yawn-inducing shill. Disappointed. M$NBC Vote2016 May 2016 #124
I'll bet Olbermann regrets giving her the lucky break she needed. senz May 2016 #128
Keith!! grasswire May 2016 #139
Corporate shills like Maddow and Hillary are the destroyers. Broward May 2016 #129
It's the Iraq War all over again. haikugal May 2016 #133
can't watch her grasswire May 2016 #136
No, it's clowns like Wasserman-Schultz and the Clintons tabasco May 2016 #138
Actually, she did a whole report and summed it up : Don't Worry This is Normal nt BootinUp May 2016 #141
Getting as shrill as Hillary. ozone_man May 2016 #147
Are people calling her on it on social media passiveporcupine May 2016 #148
I dumped cable January of 2015. I don't miss it. CentralMass May 2016 #155
Well you know how hysterical some people can get. highprincipleswork May 2016 #156
That is the word. Octafish May 2016 #171
Has she apologized yet? pdsimdars May 2016 #174
Sellouts suck. 99Forever May 2016 #175
With a 7 million dollar annual salary nest May 2016 #178

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
62. His supporters know this is an uphill battle.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
May 2016

We're not dumb.

But we also know the front-runner is under a criminal investigation. We want Bernie in the catbird's seat should the party try to seat some other right-wing "Democrat" if Hillary has to bow out.

We know the score. Really we do.

And, we don't want him to drop out. We're still sending in donations and attending his rallies by the train loads.

No one is lying to us, as much as you want to spread that silliness.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
83. This^^^^would not be an issue without the FBI granting immunity
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

and scheduling depositions for top aides. That's an uphill battle.

That and ridiculuosly trying to convince politically astute adults that this is just a VRWC being propelled by the FBI.

Guess both "sides" have uphill battles.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
38. I stopped months ago and can't believe I did.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

Her's was the only show I had been watching and would never have believed I would ever quit. But she showed who she really is.
Like I emailed her, life is not all brains, her being a Rhodes Scholar and all. But life requires BOTH heart and mind. Neither one in itself is enough. It's important to be smart, but EQUALLY important to be awake inside. That's why all the great spiritual teachers talk about compassion and helping the least among us, etc. It tells the smart people what they should use their smarts for.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
81. She's just another COrporate stooge protecting her pay check
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

I stopped watching that network after they canned Schultz - Fuck 'em

frylock

(34,825 posts)
125. I bailed after they canned Donahue.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

When was that? 2003? The only time I ever turn that channel on is when they host a debate or townhall.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
185. I did to, for awhile
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

but I gave them a second chance when they brought on Olbernann, schults and a few others.
NOw that COMCAST has them - It's obviously over. FOX-lite for the Republican 'centrist'. Stick a fork in it.


Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
66. Editorializing isn't telling "the truth."
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

It's just an opinion.

The Democratic Party is already split. It has nothing to do with Bernie. It has to do with the fact that Hillary represents the pro-corporate, neoliberal wing of the party that many Boomers and Gen Xers have begun to reject and Millennials never liked.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
112. 1. Redefine the word "facts"
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

2. Only present "facts" that fit your agenda (lie)

3. Cash the paycheck!

Actor

(626 posts)
118. Can you point to a lie of hers? I am just a dumb sycophant and would like to see if you can,
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

educate me please.

Actor

(626 posts)
172. I think I just figured out who is who around here, I was confused at first
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

by the phrase "Democratic Underground" but I have now figured this place out.

Actor

(626 posts)
177. While you play this deadly game, the world is scared to death you will be successful
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016
President Barack Obama is trying but failing to reassure foreign leaders convinced that Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States. They're in full-boil panic.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233#ixzz49DVGNXFM
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
176. So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud?
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

if you're not angered by those issues, then get the hell outta the way.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
181. So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud?
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

if you're not angered by those issues, then get the hell outta the way.

This time I typed it slowly...

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
144. You understand the OP has already established this, correct?
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

I'm not going to go back to the beginning of the thread and run in endless circles for you…

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
169. The vast majority of them are lemmings, demwing. You have to remember one phrase concerning them:
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

"Fuck'em."

Response to Faux pas (Reply #4)

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
5. Maddie hasn't been relevant since KO left. Her audience
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

Was there because of Keith's strong lead in. Once Keith left, she lost her edge. It was Keith who got her the job and helped push her to speak her conscience, but Keith left and MSNBC shifted directions, I believe it rattled her and she fell into corporate line.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
68. Not to mention that she may truly support Hillary but she is
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

not doing her job. She is not telling the whole story. Both sides unbiased.

LisaM

(27,806 posts)
132. You've got to be kidding! She came into her own after he left.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

He's burned bridges at every single job he's had. His show had gotten so awful I couldn't bear to watch it. Remember those godawful pontificating things he did - I forget what he called them, "special" something or others, and he'd stare into the camera like he was doing an impression of Edward R. Murrow, all puffed up with importance, and wag his finger and say things, like "you, sirrrr....." in a weird shaky voice, then throw paper around.

It was embarrassing.

Having Rachel there saved their bacon. The fact that people from both sides get regularly disappointed in her probably shows that she's trying to stay neutral.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
159. She is not trying to stay neutral
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

If you think she is being neutral, you are so far to the right you can't tell what neutral is any more.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
30. And to be blunt, good riddance to both.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

The major parties are probably the biggest contributors to the sorry state our political system finds itself in. They've become empty brands with no soul, no core principles save for "winning is all that matters." Fuck that.

I want so very much for the Democratic party to save itself from the fate that the Third Way has dragged it towards, but I find it hard to shake the feeling that Bernie's candidacy was the last chance...and the corporatists have won.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
79. I concur. Get rid of parties altogether; the founders were suspicious of them for good
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

reason--they concentrate power. With ranked choice (instant runoff) voting, I'm not sure we need parties or primaries. And if we had publicly funded campaigns for those with a certain number of petition signatures that were structured to focus them on issues, we might have a shot at a functioning democracy.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
37. And Sanders and his supporters are the main weapon
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

The reason why Trump appears to beat Clinton is thanks to this renegade group.

Go ahead and start a socialist tea party and send your representative to Congress.

Mostly be happy with a Trump presidency. You've earned it. Enjoy

Response to question everything (Reply #37)

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
82. Now, now
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:43 PM
May 2016

If Trump wins, you don't have to share the credit with us. You guys have earned that one all on your own.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
109. Already going to blame tRump on Sanders supporters?
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:32 PM
May 2016

Why don't you blame your candidate? The polls show over and over and over again, that she either LOSES TO TRUMP, or wins by the narrowest of margins. You do get that, right? You have your primary hissy fits left and right, HOWEVER, in the general election, your gal Hill is projected to either lose to Trump or to have a steady, uphill battle to do little more than break even.

But go ahead, ignore reality. Blame anyone and everyone EXCEPT YOUR CRAPPY CANDIDATE. Oh, and by the way, enjoy the Trump presidency. You've earned it.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
115. It's NEVER Hillary's fault
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

it's always someone else - Republicans, Progressives, the Press, Bernie, You, Me...

Hillary is like a vampire - she has no reflection

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
7. Mark my words. MSNBC will be sold by Comcast as soon as Trump wins. Their mission will have
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

been accomplished. Their viewership is already dwindling and it will be time to cut and run. Then the scramble for survival will begin with their talking heads.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
131. TYT basicly said the same thing.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

But didn't mention Comcast buying then (probably 'cause they didn't own them as of yet). Another question is who will pick them up when the sale if made. Either way I don't see a future in the corporate media for any of their talking heads in the aftermath-Maddow included.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
41. Not sure. With all the parellels with Trump
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

both groups are happy and embolden when their leaders are painted in bad image.

The more anarchism the better.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
52. Two candidates have supporters who have been arrested for violence.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Neither one is Sanders.

Please stop lying.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
43. They don't care. They will welcome Trump
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

Like all the Republicans for them it is anyone but Hillary.

I hope that after November the supporters here will stay away from DU. Assuming there is still DU.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
90. Sounds like it. But at least they disguised it as humor...this one is lacking that
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

particular attribute.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
91. I was being facetious
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

No, I don't really think that particular person has any comedic talent now or in any past life.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
166. Did he borrow his coat from James Dean?
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

His voice comes from you and me.

Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. The Hillary Campaign's Project "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later."
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/

And then there's the Hillary campaign's Project "Bernie Lost Me," which finally explains to me a phenomenon on this board I've been mocking for months because poseurs on this board were not sufficiently skillful to pull it off. Bernie's supporters have taken the and used it for their own purposes, ending their #BernieLostMe tweets with #HillaryLostMe.

Sadly, I can't use it because I never pretended to be a Hillary supporter in the first place.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. No, he is not. That is a Brock meme. I am on Bernie's mailing list and know what he is saying.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

Besides, your post does not alter the fact that the Hillary campaign has these projects, so your reply is irrelevant to my post.

Thanks anyway.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
92. No one is claiming "winning" but the HRC Crowd. I get Bernie's emails, too
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

and he says Nothing Of The Kind. What he does say is he is not quitting. So please dispense with your closed loop tape...it's old, dreary and past its due date.

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

caquillo

(521 posts)
13. "She is beside herself that Sanders had the audacity actually 'running to win'"
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

Sanders has no chance of winning. He's behind nearly 300 pledged delegates, 3 million votes, and contests won. He has no chance to make up that deficit, which is why he wants to plead to the unpledged delegetates (aka superdelegates) to flip to him, as a last resort, except the supers have always sided with the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Also, after last weekend and Sanders' vow to contest the DNC and his supporters threats to riot, I doubt ANY supers will switch now. In fact, one of Sanders' own supers jumped ship this week. My how the worm begins to turn!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
67. That whole "3 million votes" thing is such a crock.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

You do realize that the actual caucus attendees have not been counted in those totals but only delegates to state conventions? I've seen several places where allegedly only 500-some people voted in Alaska when I know for a fact that at least 400 people showed up to caucus from my district alone. The caucus at West High School in Anchorage was so packed that the fire marshal showed up and sent some of the districts outside.

This has been the case for all the caucus states, most of which Bernie has won, and seriously skews the vote totals.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
89. The Senior Senator from California is getting a bit antsy.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

Perhaps she chatted with Barbara Boxer.

There is a law of physics that the longer a force is held down, the more power it is able to wield when the "lid" finally comes off. That may be the case here.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
160. Like a pressure cooker
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

And we've been under too much pressure for a long time now. The steam is starting to escape around the edges.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
14. OK, but see this:
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/29/rachel-maddows-rating-92-msnbc-grows-fast-fox-news.html

Rachel Maddow's program experienced gigantic ratings growth the first quarter of 2016 as MSNBC's primetime audience grew more than twice as fast as Fox News.


See, her viewership is sharply up these days, so her platform is reaching more and more people. OTOH, DU reaches a couple thousand viewers for its most popular posts.

Isn't that interesting?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
31. Hers is not a news show. It is commentary.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

She's not a reporter. She's a pundit. She gets paid to editorialize.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. My point, and she used to do very fine reporting
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

I used to be a fan. Once she started that, well...if time warner takes MSNBC from my tv, I won't notice.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
26. Hillary has great credibility she ran a wonderful campaign: Sanders
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

is lying to his supporters about winning.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
21. She is just another Hillary shill, a dime, a dozen of them in the media
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

meh, never thought Maddow was much of a journalist or media pundit in the first place.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. The pay is good
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

And I cut MSNBC a while ago. But that is not reporting, that is catapulting propaganda. By the way Rachel, in the off chance you read this, check tje section under advocacy in the SPJ ethics rules.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
98. Check your, um, facts. The Chair (person) changed the rules without
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

due process. Get it?

The Chair, raised off the floor, quickly returned to the floor.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
99. No. The Chairwoman already knew there were more Clinton delegates than Sanders delegates.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

They were upset about the voice vote. Hillary had more supporters in NV. And she won NV in February..

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
104. Pretty sure this was not the discussion...but typical deflection.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

Oh, and it's not over until it's over. Your candidate is the Frontrunner. Big Difference. You see winning doesn't happen, by definition, until the end.

And the FBI has not sung yet, nor have her former aides. I'd not invest too much in a victory party until this little pesky detail is complete.

However, I do find your "smilies" particularly credible and in the correct post.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
135. I consider the source of those trying to correct me...
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

Sanders supporter caused chaos at the NV convention.. All for nothing Hillary won back in February.. They could not sway the delegates. You know the delegates that Sanders was against before he was for them. Why would they change to Sanders and he is losing. Makes no sense. He will concede.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
150. You guys are fucking toast.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

If you can't handle a little civil unrest within the party, then Republicans are going to eat you alive.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
153. Yea right...
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

"you guys" see that's problem with some leaning left independents--you are not part of the Democratic Party, but you want to choose its Democratic nominee..

You finally found your ultra liberal candidate as if that's so special---and think everyone is against u...because u r not getting your way

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
143. i saw it....Sanders bash the Demo Party, then expect them to hand over delegates to him..
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

Trust me they can't wait for him to leave.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
163. It HAS been debunked.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

the fact that you are still trying to push this meme is pretty disgusting.

You show me your proof, and I'll show you mine.

Oh hell...you don't have any, so I'll show you mine anyway.


Jon Ralston, the dean of political reporting in Nevada, has spread nothing less than a pack of lies about what went down at the state’s Democratic convention on Saturday. And the fact averse oligarchic national media has run completely riot with the provable falsehoods. No chairs were thrown at the convention Saturday.


As it turned out, Ralston finally admitted last night that he hadn’t seen this himself but was relying especially on local reporter Andrew Davey. Davey first said he had still frames showing the chair throwing which he would publish. He has not produced the stills in question, but did retweet a still image of a chair held high that was initially posted on Reddit. I spoke with the person who posted it to Reddit and confirmed that it was grabbed from the video now widely seen which shows that other Sanders supporters quickly took away the chair in question. I asked Davey by Twitter if he still had photos to publish, then criticized him for retweeting the Reddit image instead. He blocked me. In spite of the fact that the whole thing was filmed live from multiple angles, “the revolution will be periscoped” as Ralston snarked on Twitter, no one has any images or video of even a single chair, let alone chairs plural, being thrown.



And the Truth Averse Media has gone wild with Ralston’s first class lying. The New York Times ran with “Thrown chairs” as it’s lede in an article headlined by the falsehood about death threats.


Hours and hours after the woman who took and posted the original video showing the raised chair has offered to talk to any media that will listen, none have. Sanders supporters have now promised to donate $100 to Clinton’s campaign or vote for her in California if anyone can produce video evidence of the phantom chair throwing.

It won’t happen.

And the murder of crows that pretends to be honest, unbiased journalists will continue on to the next trust-killing monstrosity.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/the-faux-fracas-in-nevada-how-a-reporters-pack-of-lies-ran-riot-in-the-fact-averse-media/

One person lifted up a chair. I did post a link to it in another thread...just can't find it right now. But they never threw the chair. Other people had them put it down and then hugged them. That is not violence, that is deescalation (by Bernie supporters) before violence can happen.

I must admit, my proof does not contain a video of chairs not being thrown, because as everyone knows, you cannot prove a negative.

It never fucking happened. But keep on spreading those lies.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
184. One guy, one chair
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

held it up and it was quickly grabbed by another guy and put down.

That is anger. the guy was crying. It is not violence. Violence would involve throwing the chair or trying to hit someone with it.

He wasn't even near the person he was angry at, so there was NO threat. If the chair hadn't been taken away so quickly, things might have gotten ugly, but BERNIE SUPPORTERS stopped that from happening.

Oh, and here is the video, from the woman who took it.



Jump to 3:40 for THE CHAIR

KPN

(15,643 posts)
32. She is right. Bernie is damaging the Democratic Party severely ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

in a good way. The Party still has an opportunity to right the listing ship, but I frankly doubt it will.

Philly will definitely see ugly protests. Too late to reverse that. It's only a matter of how the establishment contains the protest element -- they will do everything they can to squash it for sure.

This was all so unnecessary. I put the blame on DWS and the DNC (corporatist) machine. They put all their eggs in Hillary's basket long ago ... and then ineptly went about controlling the outcome. If they hadn't been so nakedly obvious, things certainly wouldn't be as divisive as they are right now.

It strikes me that it is now too late. The damage is done. The Democratic Party is going the way of the GOP -- breaking in two.

To some that is bad, others good.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
33. Rachel lost me a long ass time ago
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

She is one of them now. 'Them' being the ones who have been kicking us to the curb for years that is

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
49. Hey Rachel, it is YOU and the paid for corporate media that have ruined the party!
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

Little miss fracker? Little miss war machine? What gives Rachel.

If it were me, I'd be tired of the money, count it out, live within my means, and make a final statement with an exit from your show.

That's my character vs. yours.

Despicable you!

You have had your soapbox for your ONE issue for six years now. This is how you repay the grassroots who stood behind YOU and yours and supported your issues on gay marriage? Is that all that mattered to you in our country? You are just a short, ugly, little shit. No moral compass at all. So glad I cut my cable cord 1 1/2 years ago, and you were one of the biggest reasons. Just so you know....

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
51. stopped watching her several years ago.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

loved her when Keith Olbermann would have her on. but then she got her show and she had this really, really, really LAME schtick, huge turn off.

Plus she totally ignored what was going on behind the financial crises which was the event of the time during Obama's inaugeration/100 + days.

Had to rely on other sources, switching the channel, cutting the cord altogether.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
53. She is right and he has never said or done anything positive to add to or grow the Party
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

...never, not since the day he entered into politics.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
59. Bernie is calling the Party to account for its own claims to really being "democratic"
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

and to REALLY being a big tent "Party of the People", of FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK Jr. et. al.

And in return, the Party has predictably reacted with hostility, dismissiveness, slander,
and promoting false narratives about him being some kind of "spoiler", which is a total
lie.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
73. He has done nothing quite that noble. His history of insults to the Party....
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

...well before he decided to run, is it's own record.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
54. I haven't watched Rachel in months.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

I got tired of her constant repetition, plus when the primaries started, it was pretty obvious that she had a bias.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
56. Ms. Maddow should practice journalism, imo.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:01 PM
May 2016

Like Keith Olbermann, when you become numero uno on a unwatched cable network.....

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
65. That is a TOTAL LIE!
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

No one was hurt, no one went to the hospital, nothing was even broken or
destroyed .. ONE chair was picked up off the floor by ONE guy, ONE time,
period. End of story.

Yes, people were visibly upset, yet they contained it without loosing it, i.e.
without resorting to violence or destroying property.

The entire "chairS were thrown" meme is a complete falsehood, you should
be ashamed of yourself for spreading this lie.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
94. The situation became tense, people got visibly upset about the process <-- true
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

Yet it was contained, save a little yelling and the fact that ONE guy raised
ONE chair off the floor ONE time, before setting it back down on the floor.
It's a complete fabrication that "chairs were thrown" .. a boldfaced LIE.

Yet the entire DNC Establishment -including Boxer apparently- has bought
into the lie and owned it, and are spreading it far and wide as fast as
humanly possible in hopes of hurting Bernie's chances in California.

It is a digraceful sham, plain and simple

On Edit: there's no evidence that these equally disgraceful phone calls to
the convention Chair were actually Bernie supporters, and not fanatical
Clinton shills with a devious agenda.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
164. There was verbal anger directed at Lange
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:25 PM
May 2016

nobody threatened her. Again, that was a Ralston lie that the media picked up on.

there is a difference between nasty angry language and an actual threat of violence.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
60. Love Rachel!! She's the only one that realized that we don't need to 'court' Sanders voters.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

The most rabid among them will never vote for Hillary anyway.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
61. Can't stand her any longer.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016

She's got hers and no longer cares about the rest of us.

Of course, I never thought she was Goddess like many on here to begin with. She's smart, but I never thought her delivery was all that intelligent.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
76. You still watch ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

I haven't watched cable news on a regular basis since 2000! ... I choose to NOT be lied to ...

One of the same reasons I cannot support the Clinton campaign ... I choose to NOT be lied to ...

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
78. health alert
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

stop watching MSM, bad for your blood pressure
I have had a marvelous time finding alternate media on YouTube.
Be kind to yourself. Leave MSM to their made up world.

Response to oldandhappy (Reply #78)

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
122. I just got Netflix - lots of stuff
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

One of the documentaries is Requiem for the American Dream -- excellent, 72 minutes, do not watch when tired. You have to be able to concentrate, smile. And yea, staff off MSM.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
84. I won't watch her even on youtube
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

she's a paid shill/sell out and has become a nasty piece of work. No better than some of the idiots on Fox, imo.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
100. By mistake, I happened to watch her last night.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

Haven't watched for a long time. She was talking so fast and furiously I could hardly keep up. I could have sworn she was on some kind of hyperactive substance...I don't even remember what the issue was...she held me spellbound just watching the performance. Had to switch channels...was getting tired just watching her.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
105. look how much badly he does against Trump! there's only one candidate who'll throw the election
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

just to feed their vanity!


Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
107. No, Ms. Clinton's Cheerleader, you, team Clinton and the rest of the Corporatists have already
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

done a bang up job of that.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
114. She knows which side of the bread is buttered
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

And as such her messages will reflect her viewpoints. Keith, Cenk, and Shultz went down with dignity. Her, Tweety, and Chris "Wanna be like Keith" Hayes will take their cash, thank you very much!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
120. The "sky is falling" hysteria is pretty funny.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

I wonder sometimes what they would do if they ever had a REAL problem. Probably end up institutionalized.

Those who engage in this hyperbolic nonsense are only destroying what's left of their credibility, because with the internet, too many people know the real truth before they report it. When it doesn't match, these "journalists" are exposed for what they are.

They're the "I've got mine, screw you" crowd. There are lots of those around in every field. They're nothing special, just overpaid.

I only check her or any of the laughingly-called "journalists" out to find out what the propaganda du jour is, what are the PTB trying to sell us now. Although, I can usually guess in advance. She and the rest on major media are about on a par with Fox News now.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
124. She's gone from the most likely successor to Olbermann to a yawn-inducing shill. Disappointed. M$NBC
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

sucks

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
138. No, it's clowns like Wasserman-Schultz and the Clintons
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

who are doing a great job of destroying my once-proud party.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
147. Getting as shrill as Hillary.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

Rachel stopped being a journalist long ago, and has become an MSM mouthpiece.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
148. Are people calling her on it on social media
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016

I wonder what the reddit crowd is thinking of her.

She sure has changed. Doesn't care about those of us who used to be her base.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
171. That is the word.
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

"EEEK."

Democrats are supposed to be brave, confident and willing to do the hard work needed to get the job done, like Beat the Depression, Win World War II, go to the Moon, win the Cold War through Peace, etc.

nest

(23 posts)
178. With a 7 million dollar annual salary
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

and huge investments in defense/oil companies, Rachael Maddow isn't exactly the type of person who would support a candidate like Bernie Sanders.

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