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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:42 PM May 2016

Discussion: "Hillary Clinton Email Inquiry Won’t Be Rushed, F.B.I. Chief Says"

Hillary Clinton Email Inquiry Won’t Be Rushed, F.B.I. Chief Says, The New York Times, May 11, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-james-comey.html

WASHINGTON — The director of the F.B.I. said Wednesday that he would not be rushed into finishing his agency’s investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails on an election timetable. And he would not say whether the inquiry would be wrapped up by the November presidential election.

“We want to do it well and we want to do it promptly, so I feel pressure to do both of those things,” James Comey, the F.B.I. director, said.

“I don’t tether to any particular external deadline,” he said during a round-table discussion with reporters, “so I do feel the pressure to do it well and promptly, but as between the two, I always choose ‘well.’”

While Mrs. Clinton has characterized the investigation as a “security inquiry,” Mr. Comey said he was “not familiar with the term.”

(snip)

The F.B.I.’s case began as a security referral from the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation’s intelligence agencies, who were concerned that classified information might have been stored outside a secure government network. But multiple law enforcement officials said the matter quickly became an investigation into whether anyone had committed a crime in handling classified information.

(more at link)

This investigation has gone on for over a year. Barring the unlikely event she is exonerated by the FBI for any wrongdoing, it is my opinion she will be facing at least some criminal charges for what can only be described as egregiously bad judgment up to and including attempting to destroy government records.

From the "Clinton Email Scandal Timeline", we know she was asked politely to return the government records in her basement to the State Department in mid-2014, then formally required to do so on October 28, 2014, but delayed doing so until December 5, 2014 after deleting 31,830 that she said were all personal but weren't. (Link: http://www.thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Short_Version_-_Part_2)

How do I "know" she deleted government records (aka work emails)? Because some of them were turned in by other people!

Clinton confidante Blumenthal testifies before House Benghazi panel, CBS News, June 16, 2015
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-confidante-blumenthal-testifies-benghazi-house-panel/

A long time advisor and confidant to the Clinton family, Sidney Blumenthal, testified in a closed session Tuesday before the House Select Committee on Benghazi after the committee received nearly 120 new pages of emails Blumenthal exchanged with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regarding the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.

"Sidney Blumenthal produced to the Committee nearly 60 new emails regarding Libya and Benghazi," the panel's chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, said. "I think it's noteworthy that no committee of Congress that has previously looked in to Benghazi or Libya uncovered these memos and I will leave it to you to figure out if whether there was a failure to produce on the former secretary's part of there was a failure to produce on the Department of State's behalf."

(more at link)

So, here is the problem: it looks like she has committed crimes that should result in jail time. I am not voting for a candidate who belongs in jail. The only way to allay this fear is for the FBI to either indict or exonerate her -- and no, the word of a possible criminal claiming innocence, especially one known for her "flexibility" with being truthful, is simply not adequate.

Hillary keeps saying "the FBI has not contacted her" which may just be weasel words for "because they are contacting my lawyer instead", but if she is truly innocent, why doesn't she call THEM?

I am a Bernie supporter. I have MANY policy differences with Hillary Clinton, but this one is big enough for me to actively fight AGAINST HER to the point of switching parties if she makes it to the General, especially because I have also read that some of those "deleted emails" tie in with "pay to play corruption" through the Clinton Foundation. The idea that for the first time in over three decades of voting that I will NOT vote for the Democrat candidate for President is beyond distressing, but I will NOT vote or support someone who may belong in jail.

I live in Michigan, and my vote will count, as well as my willingness to volunteer with GOTV efforts. I am not going to vote for Trump. BUT if Hillary Clinton wants me to hold my nose and support her *if* she makes it to November, this issue needs to be resolved, preferably sooner rather than later. The FBI dragging their feet about it is unacceptable -- but frankly, the fact she is even running while under this type of cloud is absolutely embarrassing. It appears as if Democrats do not take law enforcement investigation efforts by the FBI seriously, which is the very definition of "shameful scandal" to most sensible Americans.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are running a guy who is being sued for "Trump University" which utter humiliation should have them hiding under rocks on Election Day, but our front runner candidate has THIRTY-EIGHT civil lawsuits with her name all over them AND an FBI investigation --

and

I love President Obama. I am going to miss him.
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Discussion: "Hillary Clinton Email Inquiry Won’t Be Rushed, F.B.I. Chief Says" (Original Post) IdaBriggs May 2016 OP
Why are you re-spamming this. We saw it the first time and it was boring then too. Gomez163 May 2016 #1
I like the cut of your jib. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #13
It's not the least bit boring. It's crucially important. senz May 2016 #32
correct, and the constant drip will be worse, just wait until next week. ViseGrip May 2016 #2
PS, I understand what she did, whether legal or not. I will not vote for her ever. ViseGrip May 2016 #5
I assume you are referring to the release of testimony by her aid in the first IdaBriggs May 2016 #12
That's what came to my mind first. pdsimdars May 2016 #16
I guess you're gonna let Trump win because of some email thing. OK. YouDig May 2016 #3
What part of "belongs in jail" are you missing? IdaBriggs May 2016 #7
Yes More Important than Bombing Cambodia, Selling Arms to Sandanistas and Wars Against Wrong Country Stallion May 2016 #8
You mean the very real possibility that that "some email thing" may result in... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #30
Keep praying to the email fairy! YouDig May 2016 #31
The Emailgaters are either running out of fresh material... Tarc May 2016 #4
Worst thing that could happen would be for it to drop close to the GE. Ash_F May 2016 #6
Which is why I am saying the FBI needs to either indict or exonerate NOW. IdaBriggs May 2016 #14
I feel you, but it's not a secret that the FBI is sitting at the table, ... Babel_17 May 2016 #28
"I love President Obama. I am going to miss him." Riiiiggggghhhht. LexVegas May 2016 #9
Yes, this is true. I think he has done a fantastic job. IdaBriggs May 2016 #11
In other words timmymoff May 2016 #10
I live in Oklahoma madokie May 2016 #15
I have been asking people, why do we have to wait for the FBI? pdsimdars May 2016 #17
Clinton supporters seem to be desensitized to "bad things" about them. IdaBriggs May 2016 #18
I still think WE need to get this issue discussed before it's too late. pdsimdars May 2016 #22
Also. HRC already knows that she is guilty of felonies. grasswire May 2016 #26
I wonder about Comey. Skwmom May 2016 #19
I don't. winter is coming May 2016 #20
I wondered as well - the history. Candidly, it has left me IdaBriggs May 2016 #21
I wonder if Loretta Lynch is looking for some payback after what Hillary said to her way back when. 2cannan May 2016 #23
Are we sure it's the same Loretta Lynch? IdaBriggs May 2016 #24
I'm wrong, Ida. I had to do a more extensive search and it turns out it is a different person: 2cannan May 2016 #25
reportedly, Lynch could be on board with HRC because of a sotto voce.. grasswire May 2016 #27
The "Civil Law Suits" continue without needing the FBI...And results will be sooner.. KoKo May 2016 #29
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
32. It's not the least bit boring. It's crucially important.
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:45 AM
May 2016

This is serious business, and all Democrats should to be aware of it.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
2. correct, and the constant drip will be worse, just wait until next week.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

the food fight begins, and it's a real fight, for an untainted nominee.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
12. I assume you are referring to the release of testimony by her aid in the first
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

civil case? If I recall correctly, the JUDGE has said it is embarrassing and damaging.

Or is there something else?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
7. What part of "belongs in jail" are you missing?
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

And stop minimizing "destroying government records", "endangering national security" and "failing to comply with FOIA" as "some email thing". They are referred to as CRIMES for a reason.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
8. Yes More Important than Bombing Cambodia, Selling Arms to Sandanistas and Wars Against Wrong Country
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

its about e-mail servers-the Great issue of our Age. Republicans are masters at turning perhaps questionable or even negligent conduct into an issue that they somehow convince Americans is Evil-and now Bernie fans are fanning the flames

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
30. You mean the very real possibility that that "some email thing" may result in...
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

...a criminal prosecution is gonna "let Trump win"?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
4. The Emailgaters are either running out of fresh material...
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

...or their hands are getting tired from clapping so hard trying to wake the Indictment Fairy.

Reposting the same, tired materials...

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
6. Worst thing that could happen would be for it to drop close to the GE.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

What can Democrats do if that happens? I have been asking this for months. Nobody has a clue.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
14. Which is why I am saying the FBI needs to either indict or exonerate NOW.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

I get that they want a "rock solid case" and releasing too much information too soon gives a criminal defendant time to "make evidence disappear" but this is officially getting ridiculous.

The lack of a statement one way or another is leaving everything open for speculation. I'm not an attorney, but "destroying government records" has been against the law since darn near forever, with email specifically being an issue since 2009.

Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests, The New York Times, March 4, 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/politics/using-private-email-hillary-clinton-thwarted-record-requests.html

WASHINGTON — In 2012, congressional investigators asked the State Department for a wide range of documents related to the attack on the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. The department eventually responded, furnishing House committees with thousands of documents.

But it turns out that that was not everything.

The State Department had not searched the email account of former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton because she had maintained a private account, which shielded it from such searches, department officials acknowledged on Tuesday.

(snip)

Federal regulations, since 2009, have required that all emails be preserved as part of an agency’s record-keeping system. In Mrs. Clinton’s case, her emails were kept on her personal account and her staff took no steps to have them preserved as part of State Department record.

(more at link)

I cannot imagine the hue and cry if a Republican was pulling this crap. I don't want FOIA to be toothless because a Democrat chose to avoid complying.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
28. I feel you, but it's not a secret that the FBI is sitting at the table, ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

with cards in front of them, and a big stack of chips. They've been drinking coffee, and all astute observers should have taken note of that.

No real idea as to how things will specifically play out, but at the end of that day the FBI can likely credibly say, "What, this was a total surprise to you all?".

We know what they are looking at, though we don't know what people are testifying to, or what the logs show. But that only goes to what's criminal, and what isn't. The bigger picture may be just a rough draft, but it gives a pretty clear idea of things, imo.

Once it gets colored in it will be presented to the public. I think it will be taken a certain way, but that's just my opinion. The public can surprise those who try to read the tea leaves.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
11. Yes, this is true. I think he has done a fantastic job.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

His biggest mistake appears to have been trusting Hillary with State, but his list of accomplishments (especially with an obstructionist Congress) are fantastic. No president is perfect, but starting with the Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act, then marriage equality issues, then Obamacare, plus Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor -- Best. President. Ever.

Bonus: I know nothing about his sex life and his family is awesome.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. I live in Oklahoma
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

so my vote won't matter squat so I might have to set this one out. Much as I hate the thought of doing that. I really dislike that I may have to vote for a person who I don't really want in the white house just to keep a more sorry person out. I'm between a rock and a hard place and I don't like it one bit.
I won't vote for tRump under any circumstances.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
17. I have been asking people, why do we have to wait for the FBI?
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

If you look into what is already out there, and get that to the public attention, maybe we can start the conversation to get it to happen BEFORE the convention and it may be too late.

Like Paul Thompson, who has posted here many times, did a great timeline of information that is out there. Many of Blumenthal's emails have been released, giving her advice on Libya, etc.

One Paul mentions started with the header all in caps saying that this contained very private information from a very sensitive source and should not be shared with anyone from Germany . . or something like that. So he was sending her very classified information and he had no security clearance. It was her duty to report it so they could trace the source of that leak. She did not.

He sent her an email about a meeting of the rebel leaders in Sudan (I think) which had happened only a few hours before that. That was FRESH Classified intelligence coming from a citizen who should not have it. And she did not report it.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
18. Clinton supporters seem to be desensitized to "bad things" about them.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

Rather than acknowledge reality (or as some of us call them, "crimes&quot they assume negative reports are all "vast right wing conspiracy".

Bill and Hillary publicly lied to the American people about sexual fidelity (which exposed them to blackmail). People who told the truth were publicly humiliated and victimhood firmly established.

If it hadn't been for a blue dress, people would still have believed "innocent Bill" was being slandered.

Oddly enough, Trump does the same type of lies - he just repeats things, which then have to be treated seriously until people are sick of hearing about it.

I can only assume this is a "money and power" thing. I am appalled Democratic leadership is supporting Hillary. It's as if there are no standards of decency required to be one of our politicians.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
22. I still think WE need to get this issue discussed before it's too late.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

There are emails that are released that are truly horrifying. That needs to get out and the MSM isn't going to do it. Why wait for them?

I'll try to find a good one and post it. But THIS is an issue that needs to be up front and not all the bullshit people whine over every day here.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
26. Also. HRC already knows that she is guilty of felonies.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

Her lawyers have already strategized with her. Therefore, every bit of obfuscation and denial from her now is a betrayal of the Democratic Party and the American people. It is an attack on the rule of law and all that we Democrats hold fair and just.

Let us remember, then, that she extended the cost of this investigation, she obstructed justice with her refusals to comply with the judge's orders in a timely manner, she hampered her own party's presidential campaign and has jeopardized a general election victory by her obstructionism and dismissal of the people's right to determine their own destiny through constitutional means.

Let us remember that she did all this because SHE had made choices that resulted in crimes. There are no extenuating circumstances. She is, at the least, a co-conspirator in a breathlessly brutal and cynical attack against the American people and Barack Obama in particular.

She may, indeed, never face justice. But she must NOT ever have the reins of power in her hands. We can't trust her with national secrets. And we sure as hell can't trust her judgment.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
20. I don't.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

If you're slow-walking an investigation while the best-quality whitewash is on order, you don't bother slapping down memes about security reviews. There's no need to say anything beyond the standard "we don't comment on ongoing investigations".

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
21. I wondered as well - the history. Candidly, it has left me
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

wondering if this is President Obama playing Chicago politics with his old rival who is tainting his legacy.



On the other hand, Comey has a strong "won't be moved by politics" reputation and went after Scooter Libby for the Plame situation.

I am choosing to believe in the integrity of the FBI at this point, but the delay is causing me to wonder.

If she is going to be indicted, she needs to be removed from the political stage sooner rather than later. If she is going to be exonerated, this needs to be removed from the debate. We "non-legal" types are relying on common sense, and that obviously has nothing to do with the justice system!

2cannan

(344 posts)
23. I wonder if Loretta Lynch is looking for some payback after what Hillary said to her way back when.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

I've read on DU that Loretta Lynch is a Clintonite. But what's is interesting is that she and Hillary also have history of a different sort, like Hillary's and Comey's.

Pro Publica: Hillary Clinton’s Top Five Clashes Over Secrecy
https://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clintons-top-five-clashes-over-secrecy

snip

1) 1992: The Commodity Trades

During Bill Clinton's first run for the White House, his campaign declined to release all of the couple's tax returns. Later it emerged that the campaign had weighed requests from the press and decided not to do so, because a few of the returns showed Hillary Clinton's spectacular success in commodities trading, in which she made almost $100,000 from an initial investment of $1,000 in a matter of months for a return of almost 10,000 percent. Hillary Clinton threatened a campaign lawyer who had access to the material with retribution if she released the data: "You'll never work in Democratic politics again," the lawyer, Loretta Lynch, says Clinton told her. It wasn't until 1994, as the New York Times prepared to publish an article detailing the trades, that the Clintons made public the returns.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
24. Are we sure it's the same Loretta Lynch?
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

According to Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch

Lynch's first legal job was as a litigation associate for Cahill Gordon & Reindel. She joined the Eastern District as a drug and violent-crime prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's office in 1990. From 1994 to 1998, she served as the chief of the Long Island office and worked on several political corruption cases involving the government of Brookhaven, New York. From 1998 to 1999, she was the chief assistant U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District and headed the Brooklyn office.


From prosecutor to campaign lawyer seems a bit strange.

2cannan

(344 posts)
25. I'm wrong, Ida. I had to do a more extensive search and it turns out it is a different person:
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

Breitbart's Attack On Obama Attorney General Nominee Goes After The Wrong Loretta Lynch
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/09/breitbarts-attack-on-obama-attorney-general-nom/201511

My apologies to both Loretta Lynch's. However, Hillary's comment is still ugly.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
27. reportedly, Lynch could be on board with HRC because of a sotto voce..
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

...promise of staying on as AG in a HRC administration.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. The "Civil Law Suits" continue without needing the FBI...And results will be sooner..
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016
and this is Judge Emmet G. Sullivan who was appointed to his position by Bill Clinton.

--------------------

Former SOS Deputy Assistant Set to Testify in Clinton E-Mail Civil Lawsuit
by Chris White | LawNews, 11:24 am, May 18th, 2016

Depositions are set to begin this week and will continue well into the summer as part of a civil lawsuit concerning Hillary Clinton’s use of private e-mail server while serving as Secretary of State. Lewis Lukens, a former deputy assistant secretary of state, will be the first former Clinton aide to testify under oath when he appears for his deposition on Wednesday.

The deposition schedule was released late Tuesday by the conservative legal watchdog group Judicial Watch. Earlier this year, U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan entered an order that allows Judicial Watch to conduct discovery into whether the State Department and then Secretary of State Clinton deliberately thwarted Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) disclosure laws. The specific focus of the lawsuit is to obtain records about the employment status of Huma Abedin, former Deputy Chief of Staff to Clinton.

In addition to Lukens, at least five other top Clinton aides are expected to be questioned under oath by Judicial Watch attorneys in depositions over the next several weeks.

Clinton’s former Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills and Stephen D. Mull, executive secretary of the State Department from June 2009 to October 2012 are scheduled to be deposed next two weeks.

The man who is widely believed to have set up Clinton’s private e-mail, Bryan Pagliano, is scheduled to give testimony during the first week of June. Pagliano is the only Clinton aide publicly known to have received immunity from the Department of Justice in exchange for his cooperation in the FBI/DOJ investigation into the potential mishandling of classified materials. Last week, State Department officials announced they could not locate a single one of Pagliano’s e-mails from his time at the State Department. Several FOIA attorneys told LawNewz.com that revelation was highly suspicious.

Huma Abedin and State Department Undersecretary for Management Patrick F. Kennedy are scheduled to testify during the last week of June, according to the deposition schedule filed in the lawsuit.

“This court-order testimony could finally reveal new truths about how Hillary Clinton and the Obama State Department subverted the Freedom of the Information Act,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement released on Tuesday.

Continued at:
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/former-aide-set-to-testify-on-wednesday-in-clinton-e-mail-civil-lawsuit/t
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