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Former US Atty General Mukasey on Clinton emails (Original Post) pdsimdars May 2016 OP
Mukasey is a pretty hardcore partisan -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2016 #1
He's definitely biased, but I agree with that statement. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #4
EXACTLY the point. It's the CONTENT stupid! (to paraphrase Bill Clinton) pdsimdars May 2016 #8
I agree bobbobbins01. Uncle Joe May 2016 #22
Let's be real though, what did you disagree with in his statement? pdsimdars May 2016 #19
at the very least he represents a large wad of the Beltway and is making headlines MisterP May 2016 #30
Michael Mukasey? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #2
CLEARLY... CLEARLY... Mukasey Does Know WHAT He Is Talking About! Hell If I Was SOS... CorporatistNation May 2016 #33
Are you serious with this crap? What's Edwin Meese have to say? Bleacher Creature May 2016 #3
Maybe we can do a seance w Martha Mitchell. emulatorloo May 2016 #10
He's right. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #5
Yea but CLinton claims Kissenger as her mentor Ferd Berfel May 2016 #6
And now trump has sought his counsel as well. Telling nt NWCorona May 2016 #9
Not so. I worked for a government agency and we passed info around all the time. When a contract Jitter65 May 2016 #7
Give an example of what you mean by "we passed info around all the time."? NWCorona May 2016 #11
well, this is interesting grasswire May 2016 #29
what agency was that? grasswire May 2016 #36
Hillary Clinton supporter exemplified. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #39
Come on! Hillary is just leading the way ahead on Transparency, chew on that Obama bahrbearian May 2016 #12
Any other republicans you respect and admire? nt hack89 May 2016 #13
Looks like Clinton did Ash_F May 2016 #15
So that makes him trustworthy in your eyes? hack89 May 2016 #16
Nah, just an interesting note after looking him up. Ash_F May 2016 #18
Clinton didn't vote for him. So looks like you're just wrong. onenote May 2016 #35
Sanders voted against this guy's confirmation according to wiki. Ash_F May 2016 #14
So we should discount what he says, correct? hack89 May 2016 #17
Year after year, issue after issue, Sanders has good JUDGEMENT pdsimdars May 2016 #21
Actually, it appears that Clinton, Obama, McCain, and Biden all did not vote on this. LisaM May 2016 #27
In fact, both Clinton and Obama came out publicly against Mukasey onenote May 2016 #37
Thank you. n/t LisaM May 2016 #41
OK, maybe you don't like the guy, but tell me, honestly, what did he SAY that you disagree with? pdsimdars May 2016 #20
Good luck with getting an answer on that, pdsimdars. Uncle Joe May 2016 #23
I like to push them on it. Just to let them know they are in denial. pdsimdars May 2016 #24
I refuse to comment until i know what Scalia's Ghost thinks obamanut2012 May 2016 #25
A George W. Bush appointee who defended enhanced interrogation and stevenleser May 2016 #26
Why go to the Free Republic when Sanders supporters will bring Freeper material to DU? Gothmog May 2016 #28
Exactly Demsrule86 May 2016 #32
Michael Mukasey is a right wing...shill. Demsrule86 May 2016 #31
Do you not know who Mukasey is? Do you not care? Or are you a fan? onenote May 2016 #34
Careful about the torture stuff - Hillary has flip-flopped on it a few times. IdaBriggs May 2016 #38
but you have no problems implicitly endorsing the legal acumen onenote May 2016 #40
What part of his factual statements do you disagree with? IdaBriggs May 2016 #42
This is what I am always asking them. . .WHAT part of his statement do they disagree with? pdsimdars May 2016 #43
 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
1. Mukasey is a pretty hardcore partisan --
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

so he's not exactly an unbiased source. I'm a Sanders supporter and I wouldn't trust shit that comes out of his mouth.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
4. He's definitely biased, but I agree with that statement.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

You would have to be a moron to think those emails weren't classified, or going to be classified at some point. She was the freaking secretary of state!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
8. EXACTLY the point. It's the CONTENT stupid! (to paraphrase Bill Clinton)
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

I wish people would stop attacking the messenger and debate the content of what he said. When hear a representation of what was in those emails you would have to be a low grade moron not to know, OR you wanted to hide something.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
19. Let's be real though, what did you disagree with in his statement?
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

Or did you just disagree without bothering to find out what you were criticizing?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Michael Mukasey?
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

The attorney general appointed by George W. Bush?

You Sanders supporters are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
33. CLEARLY... CLEARLY... Mukasey Does Know WHAT He Is Talking About! Hell If I Was SOS...
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016
I would know very well what was classified nd what was not with only the most minor tutoring in less than ONE HOUR! He is correct... THIS WAS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE... Hillary is LAZY1 That is one of the reasons she had the server in the first place. The other is... she wanted to keep her communications... PRIVATE! Not the proper perspective... err JUDGEMENT WHEN YOU TOOK ON THE JOB AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS SECRETARY OF STATE!

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
6. Yea but CLinton claims Kissenger as her mentor
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

SHes buddies with a war criminal That's pretty fucked up too.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
7. Not so. I worked for a government agency and we passed info around all the time. When a contract
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

was ended and a FOIA request would come in for the information, the documents were quickly labeled "classified."

onenote

(42,590 posts)
35. Clinton didn't vote for him. So looks like you're just wrong.
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

"I am deeply troubled by Judge Mukasey's continued unwillingness to clearly state his views on torture and unchecked executive power," Clinton said in a written statement.

"After Alberto Gonzales' troubled tenure, we cannot send a signal that the next attorney general in any way condones torture or believes that the president is unconstrained by law."

Maybe its because she said things like that about him that he's so quick to slam her now?

Care to correct your post or are you comfortable with your misstatement?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
14. Sanders voted against this guy's confirmation according to wiki.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

Over his stance on torture. Clinton did not.

If only Clinton had voted against him back then, maybe he would not be on CNN today trash talking her. Gave him power.


Sanders. Always on point.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. So we should discount what he says, correct?
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

because we know that Bernie is a good judge of character and motives. Ok. I am with you.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
27. Actually, it appears that Clinton, Obama, McCain, and Biden all did not vote on this.
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00407


I'm assuming that they all were on the campaign trail (November 2007); otherwise, why would that particular group have not voted? It passed by 13 votes, so the 7 abstentions would not have mattered.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
37. In fact, both Clinton and Obama came out publicly against Mukasey
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
May 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/30/democrats.mukasey/

"I am deeply troubled by Judge Mukasey's continued unwillingness to clearly state his views on torture and unchecked executive power," Clinton said in a written statement.

"After Alberto Gonzales' troubled tenure, we cannot send a signal that the next attorney general in any way condones torture or believes that the president is unconstrained by law."
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
20. OK, maybe you don't like the guy, but tell me, honestly, what did he SAY that you disagree with?
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

He said that." it is the information that is classified not because it's marked but because of what the information contains. The marking is put on because it is classified. It's not classified because of the marking.

"So, for example, if she has signals intelligence or information from a human source, that is obviously confidential and secret and relates to intelligence activities of the United States abroad.
She would have to have been a low grade moron not to know that is was classified."


Now, that is what he said. What points to you disagree with and why do you disagree with them? Or was that just your excuse to ignore the whole issue?

From what I understand, and what Hillary signed under oath, it is exactly what he said about classified information and the "markings".

How do you disagree with that? And the kind of information he mentioned is of course classified. So I don't know what you have to disagree with.

And he is right, Hillary would have had to be a low grade moron not to know that. And we both know, she is no dummy.

My conclusion is that you have NO basis whatever to disagree with his statement other than the fact that you don't want to acknowledge the whole issue.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. A George W. Bush appointee who defended enhanced interrogation and
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

all the other Bush admin's ugly policies.

He is a far right Republican partisan first and a lawyer or judge second.




Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
31. Michael Mukasey is a right wing...shill.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

Great source another right wing shill...is that all you have? l Trump uses the same sources you know.



"I remember when George W. Bush nominated Michael Mukasey to serve as Attorney General in 2007, the announcement was met with some initial relief. Alberto Gonzales had become such a national laughingstock, and was so woefully inept, many believed Mukasey would have to be an improvement, if only because he could’t possibly be worse than his predecessor.

That feeling did not last. Mukasey soon after endorsed the administration’s torture policies and said a president has the power to ignore some laws during wartime. He was confirmed as A.G. anyway., thanks in part to unanimous Republican support.

Several years later, we’re still learning more about the man.

“You may not be interested in Islamism, but Islamism is interested in you,” warned former Attorney General Michael Mukasey at a Saturday CPAC panel of activists so fringy that they were not technically invited to the conference."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/remember-michael-mukasey

onenote

(42,590 posts)
34. Do you not know who Mukasey is? Do you not care? Or are you a fan?
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

Mukasey was Bush's appointee as Atty Gen succeeding Alberto Gonzales.

Among his claims to fame: Best buddies with Rudi Giuliani. Defender of waterboarding as "not torture".

Yeah, he's the guy a Democrat would turn to for a legal opinion.

To quote a line from the 1950s: Have you no shame?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. Careful about the torture stuff - Hillary has flip-flopped on it a few times.
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

And she doesn't want people who did it prosecuted. She's mostly against it, except when she's for it.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-hillary-clinton-torture

onenote

(42,590 posts)
40. but you have no problems implicitly endorsing the legal acumen
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:23 AM
May 2016

of a guy who has always favored and excused torture.

Nice.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
42. What part of his factual statements do you disagree with?
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

I am a member of the reality based community, and I agree that she would have to be a low grade moron not to know some of her emails contained classified information that should have stayed on secure government systems. Unfortunately for your argument, the only people who don't believe she has screwed up are either (a) completely uninformed about the topic or (b) under some weird belief that having government officials IGNORE clear requirements to treat government emails as the government records they are is some kind of acceptable behavior/FOIA compliance is not required if your name is Hillary, so ...

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