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XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:24 PM May 2016

Has the Hillary campaign ever started a single argument over ISSUES?

'Cause what I'm seeing is still a lot of tone policing.

"Oooooh, some of Bernie's supporters in Nevada got rowdy and used bad words; therefore, Hillary is more qualified to be president!"

Meanwhile, Bernie's supporters are angry about the overt bias of the DNC, million-dollar speeches, the collusion between their "charity" and her actions as SoS, fracking, the working poor, WalMart, destabilizing the Middle East and Central America, Henry Fucking Kissinger, trade policies that shaft American workers, "superpredators," and her rogue actions as SoS which undercut Obama.

If Hillary has a problem with Bernie's policies, why not challenge him on those?

Why resort to tone policing?

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Has the Hillary campaign ever started a single argument over ISSUES? (Original Post) XemaSab May 2016 OP
We don't know what her actual policy is. onecaliberal May 2016 #1
neither does she, until the checks clear elehhhhna May 2016 #19
She knows, its globalization. Wages here have to come down a lot or wages elsewhere have to go up Baobab May 2016 #26
Good point. onecaliberal May 2016 #36
oh yes we do AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #34
I think she tried to over gun control a few months ago. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #2
First of all, clarify between the campaign and supporters. auntpurl May 2016 #3
You don't really want that -- "clarify between the campaign and supporters" GreatGazoo May 2016 #6
Maybe, just maybe, arguing with someone that cannot see the forest for the trees, is useless tonyt53 May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #9
Simply silly if you think you can intimidate me kiddo. tonyt53 May 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #25
Is it for those of us in the "Democrat party"? guillaumeb May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #29
A "Democrat" majority mindwalker_i May 2016 #11
If there was a "Hillary 2016" version of the "Magic 8 Ball" it would just say GreatGazoo May 2016 #5
It might alternate with: mindwalker_i May 2016 #12
I will look into that. elehhhhna May 2016 #38
Yes. Agschmid May 2016 #7
From day one it's been racism and sexism with azmom May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #10
The politics of division XemaSab May 2016 #14
Her positions are comlex and shifting therefore they defy encapsulation GreatGazoo May 2016 #13
The campaign is all about issues. Dem2 May 2016 #15
This needs major clarification. procon May 2016 #16
I've never had a policy discussion with one of her supporters. JRLeft May 2016 #17
In a word "NO" they lose on every issue. Vincardog May 2016 #18
Peace and free stuff for everyone is a wish, not a policy The Second Stone May 2016 #20
They want a circus so they the issues get buried. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #22
They hardly ever do policy or issues. In their defense, how can they?! nt nc4bo May 2016 #23
Hillary is the plan, always has been. Ron Green May 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author libdem4life May 2016 #32
With her flip-flopping Hillary can argue both sides, and claim she 'won'. HooptieWagon May 2016 #27
I thought Hillary's position on the issues was "fuck you Bernie supporters, I am not djean111 May 2016 #30
You haven't even been paying one bit of attention... NCTraveler May 2016 #31
A Parallel Universe, no doubt. libdem4life May 2016 #33
No doubt. NCTraveler May 2016 #35
The media refuses to cover issues... scscholar May 2016 #37

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
26. She knows, its globalization. Wages here have to come down a lot or wages elsewhere have to go up
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

cutting into profits. So they will use fake crises and guest worker programs to beat down US wages.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
2. I think she tried to over gun control a few months ago.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

But she gave that up because she had to pivot in the states with more gun owners.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
3. First of all, clarify between the campaign and supporters.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

Hillary hasn't said crap about Nevada.

Second of all, why would Hillary challenge Bernie's policies at this point? The race is over. She's won. She hasn't mentioned Bernie in about a month. She's focused on the GE.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
4. Maybe, just maybe, arguing with someone that cannot see the forest for the trees, is useless
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

Bernie has not idea that he would need a Democrat majority in the Senate to get anything done. He has done nothing to help in getting that done. It has all been about Bernie, Bernie, and more Bernie.

Response to tonyt53 (Reply #4)

Response to tonyt53 (Reply #21)

Response to guillaumeb (Reply #28)

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
5. If there was a "Hillary 2016" version of the "Magic 8 Ball" it would just say
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

"Ask again later because I don't like your tone" to every question.

Response to azmom (Reply #8)

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
14. The politics of division
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

It was racist when Obama got a yuuuuuuuuuuge percent of the Black vote in '08, and it's racist when Bernie's getting the white vote in 2016.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
13. Her positions are comlex and shifting therefore they defy encapsulation
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

This is handicap for her campaign obviously.

For example, $15 per hour minimum wage -- what is Hillary's position in 12 words or less? Can't be done so pick one of these instead:

a) I don't like your tone
b) That's sexist! (doesn't have to fit or make sense)
c) You're helping Trump!
d) I feel sorry for anyone who believes my opponent's answer

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
15. The campaign is all about issues.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

If you're using a political site where the 85% are constantly attacking the 15% (Hillary supporters), then your perspective is ridiculously skewed.

procon

(15,805 posts)
16. This needs major clarification.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

Questions asked and then answered by yourself, so what do you really want... just sympathy from well wishers?

Otherwise, to respond, do you really mean, "campaign", as in everyone on on her campaign staff should be start arguments?

Do you mean Hillary should go around arbitrarily starting arguments, and if so, who is she supposed to argue with?

Define "tone policing". I've never seen this term, is it some snark thing that you just made to avoid criticisms?

Look here, Hillary has ads challenging Sanders policies, she criticises them in interviews, and addresses his positions in her meetup speeches. If you aren't even aware of what she is doing, then it would seem that your mishmash criticisms are misplaced and grossly unfair.





 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
22. They want a circus so they the issues get buried.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

The last thing Hillary wants to do is debate Bernie Sanders over the TPP and health insurance plans. She can't win.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
24. Hillary is the plan, always has been.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

"Issues" don't matter, it's all about the narrative. The media are fully on board with Trump/Clinton, and will move us toward the "sane" choice just in time.

Response to Ron Green (Reply #24)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
30. I thought Hillary's position on the issues was "fuck you Bernie supporters, I am not
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

changing a damned thing!"???????
Seriously.

Which makes all the talk about her moving to the left or whatever pointless.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. You haven't even been paying one bit of attention...
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

To the campaign. Clinton has been talking about the issues and her plans every single day. She often politely makes distinction between her and Sanders approach. Their campaigns have had media back and forths many times. It happens all the time. You are commenting on a primary you aren't even paying attention to.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. No doubt.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

These are truly daily occurrences and they are wondering if it has happened.

I don't want to say they are in a parallel universe as the op has some really good posts on a number of topics. I'm simply saying in order for them to hold the thoughts they are in the on they can't be watching the primary at all.

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