Why is the desperation to get Bernie out of the race so off the charts?

[Skwmom]

It is an orchestrated push. Why?

And spare me the phony Bernie is hurting Hillary b.s.

Something must be up...

[Gomez163]

1. He won't stop demonizing her. That has to stop one way or the other.

[Skwmom]

3. Bernie is not demonizing her. Clintons own actions are sinking Clinton.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Yeah, she's sinking to the tune of ...

... almost 300 delegates and millions more voters than Bernie.

I'll bet he wishes he was "sinking" like that.

[JimDandy]

48. Bernie Sanders has the support of half the Dem Party and the Progressive Independents

and his support is still GROWING. Hillary Clinton is so weak that she can't close the deal in the primary; her negatives are in the sewer and her GE outlook is approaching "grim".

[NanceGreggs]

49. She closed the deal back in March.

Bernie is a politically dead man who just refuses to lie down.

[Android3.14]

53. Another hillogical argument

[NanceGreggs]

57. Yeah, one based on math ...

... not BernieMath, but the real thing.

[reformist2]

86. If half the party doesn't want you, you haven't "closed the deal" at all!

[Actor]

4. To be fair I dont think Bernie himself has done much of that lately. I think most

of the damage to her is the usual bullshit like we see here all day long.

[Baobab]

8. Hillary has been so very dishonest, its not his fault

its not

[Gomez163]

17. 1. Stop calling her a liar. Non-negotiable.

Bernie will not be allowed to speak at the convention. This is a real possibility.

[Baobab]

24. 1994 - Health care plan - or cover up?

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725

[JimDandy]

31. I see, so let her lie, but just don't CALL her a liar.

It takes a very compromised individual to make that kind of request.

[Gomez163]

32. Its called party unity. Coming together.

[JimDandy]

39. No... that's NOT the word for asking someone to do that. n/t

[Gomez163]

40. Kumbaya my friend Kumbayaaaaaaa.........

[JimDandy]

41. Que sera, sera...

[Gomez163]

42. Allll we neeed is looove.....

[Scootaloo]

81. Funny notion of "unity" you have.

You seem to be confusing unity with subservience. They're very different things. In fact they're contradictory things in the overwhelming majority of instances.

[Android3.14]

55. Two words - "sniper fire"

Put that lie in your pipe and smoke it, bubby.

[Gomez163]

61. Last place I'd heard that old chestnut was the Hannity Show

[Android3.14]

65. Some people call hillogical arguments stupid

Gomez163 believes in Opposite Day.

[ThinkCritically]

95. She is a liar.

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[Jester Messiah]

50. She does that to herself. n/t

[Gomez163]

51. So she was "asking for it?"

[Jester Messiah]

54. Oh FFS. It is not anything like a rape comparison.

She is not being victimized or brutalized. Stop trivializing rape.

[Gomez163]

62. "Asking for it" also is an excuse for domestic violence.

You people are doing a comparable thing to Hillary just because she wants to break the glass ceiling and have that career.

[Jester Messiah]

63. Pathetic.

You can't take the well-earned heat so you play the vag card. As if no criticism is meritorious, it's all just "picking on a girl" isn't it?

[frylock]

52. Can you provide examples of the demonization?

[Scootaloo]

79. Can't stop what you haven't started

[kayakjohnny]

2. Fear. n/t

[winter is coming]

5. The FOIA lawsuit?

The details of the first deposition could be made public as soon as next week. Judicial Watch claims it will be damaging. To be fair, they'd hardly say, "we took this guy's testimony and it was as dull as dishwater," but there's not going to be much interest in anything else they subsequently release if they're overselling this one.

[elleng]

6. You said it, 'orchestrated,'

and lots of




THAT's the shocking part, imo.

[onecaliberal]

7. Because he's going to win California.

[AzDar]

37. And Win BIG...

[Locrian]

38. yes

It's all California. The hrc bus is loosing steam and the wheels are coming off - it's becoming so obvious to anyone unbiased that she is an extremely weak candidate. She topped out early on - and has been riding on fumes ever since.

Bernie's continued performance just highlights it. Not the cause of it.

She want's the primary to be "over" so she can "appear" strong. But it's a farce.

She's alienated a large percentage of democrats. Has no appeal to progressives. And independents hate her. And the GOP ?!!! LOL


The Nevada thing is "her" going dirty and the propaganda machine spooling up in a frantic effort to demonize the sanders camp. Look for more of the same to come.

[bahrbearian]

43. Yup, it'll look bad for her all through her 4 year term if she gets one.

[onecaliberal]

68. If she were to get into the white house, the cons will have impeachment papers on day 1

[Flighty McFlight]

74. impeached by the end of Day 2, trial before the end of the week...

[TheFarS1de]

75. This right here .

They need him out before he steals the race on the last leg . You can smell the desperation .

[ozone_man]

93. +1

And win it convincingly. The largest state by far. She is desperate, as is the MSM.

[upaloopa]

9. It is weird when someone asks a question and then gives the answer

[passiveporcupine]

94. Another yellow button. Off to the ignore list with you.

Won't have to read any more of your answers...I mean questions...I mean answers...jeeze...you have me so confused, because the OP never answered their own question. Now I can't tell a question from an answer.

Plonk!

Buh Bye!

[reformist2]

10. His continued winning streak makes Hillary look bad.

[antigop]

11. depositions of her aides and possibly of her. They want Bernie out before the you-know-what

hits the fan.

eta: That way they can swoop in with their "replacement" candidate.

If Bernie stays in, it's complicates the "plan".

[pangaia]

27. That is CERTAINLY one of the possibilities....

[nc4bo]

12. Yes, it's definitely extra. We will know sooner or later I suspect. nt

[pmorlan1]

13. Big Time Orchestration

The set up in Nevada, the shock & awe corporate and "liberal" media coordination, Jesse Jackson, and if Bernie's parents had been alive they would probably drag them out to condemn him. The hyperbole is off the charts.

[LexVegas]

14. We're scared of Bernie and his bros.

[litlbilly]

15. I tend to agree, something is buzzing around their bonnets. I think we'll know soon.

[haikugal]

16. Her numbers suck and she has a lot of 'stuff' hanging over her.

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. Because it's embarrassing already, he is taking poor people's money

for a doomed campaign and still making claims that he could win. He has gone off the rails with this wild nonsense about how corrupt the Democratic Party is.

There is a sense that Sanders is completely out of control.

That is why it is being politely suggested that he stop it.

[mikehiggins]

45. You win the post of the day! "POLITELY"? lol eom

[unc70]

46. He can take some more of mine soon

He is hardly robbing any of us at gunpoint, and few of us are giving all that much -- $25-$50 here and there. Maybe an extra $20 to Tim Canova, et al. Don't expect anything from him except to keep going and keep saying more of the same.

You do realize how silly this line of attack sounds, how elitist and condescending it is.

[The_Casual_Observer]

47. You are welcome to give him whatever you want to.

[frylock]

58. Taking poor people's money?

The fuck do you people come up with this nonsense?

[Art_from_Ark]

89. Didn't you know?

It's much better to take big buck$$$$ from rich corporations, especially corporations that expect something in return for their investment

[frylock]

92. These assholes remind me of the people who harrass SNAP recipients at the grocery store..

for buying a candy bar. Fucking shit loser busybodies.

[longship]

19. IT'S HER TURN!!

SHE EARNED THE OVAL OFFICE BY BEING THE WIFE OF A FORMER US PRESIDENT, JUST LIKE SHE EARNED HER US SENATE SEAT, WHICH EARNED HER SECY OF STATE.

IT'S HER TURN! Because everybody knows that the US presidency passes through families and through marriage.

I will vote for her if she gets the nomination, but it will be the most difficult vote of my life, which is rather long these days. For shame on those who support such a wretched candidate and don't see the problems. Hillary Clinton will likely be beaten by Donald Trump in November. Yes, I will do my best to see that that does not happen. However, too many of you have ignored the real solution.

BERNIE SANDERS!

[pangaia]

29. BRAVO !!!

Fortunately, if she IS the candidate, I won't have to decide whether or not to vote, I live in New York.. The place she 'calls' home.. Believe me, it ain't.

She moved here for obvious the reason to USE New Yorkers for her out of control political ambitions.. just another carpetbagger...

[Barack_America]

20. To discourage the FBI from recommending indictment.

Their "inquiristigation" will face added pressure to wrap up in her favor if she can claim "presumptive Democratic nominee", which she is trying to claim despite pending primaries.

[pangaia]

30. Good thought...

It is also bullying, pure and simple....

Well, Hillary, you are trying to bully the wrong guy....

[Peace Patriot]

70. I think you got it, Barack_America!

Example: Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of Dick Cheney for outing CIA agents. Fitzgerald got as far as Cheney aide "Scooter" Libby, but due to Libby's "obstruction of justice," couldn't go further. (In essence, Libby "fell on his sword.&quot In Fitzgerald's last press conference about this investigation, he said that, "There is a cloud hanging over the vice president's office," but that that was a "political matter," not the venue of the Department of Justice.

I've been wondering ever since, whatever did he mean? I've developed some theories about it (as to what happened next--I think there was a lot more at issue than the outings; that was just the visible part of an internal war about the nuking of Iran) but I won't go into that here. My point here is the DoJ's (and FBI's) desire to remain neutral--or to be perceived as neutral--in the political sphere.

This DOES explain the ferocity of the Clinton campaign's attack on Sanders, and that of the Clinton campaign's adjunct, the Corrupt Media. (The very media that created Trump out of nothing, as her easy foil; and who take their cues from the Clinton campaign.)

I think it also has to do with the Clinton campaign's "internals" on California. They are shit scared of a big Bernie win. (California will likely have A MILLION new voters by the registration deadline of May 23, most of them registering Democratic, with an enormous increase in young voters of 150+%!.)

But if Clinton's FBI situation is as dire as it appears from the bits and pieces we know, that, combined with the FBI's reluctance to interfere in politics (or to be perceived as such), may be the prime motive in this latest, virulent attack--to try to force Sanders out and leave her the undisputed frontrunner.

There is something else. If the FBI recommends indictment, the decider on indictment is Attorney General Loretta Lynch, a Clinton supporter and old ally. Lynch may be the one holding up the FBI report until the Clinton machine can force Sanders out.

I don't think they will be successful at forcing Sanders out. He just doesn't yield to that kind of pressure. He's not part of the pay-to-play dirty rotten scene that infests the Clinton campaign, the Clinton Foundation, the Democratic Party and most likely the entirety of our capitol city.

I don't think Sanders really wants to be president. (All the more reason to elect him, in my opinion.) Or, I guess I mean that he doesn't need to be president, like Clinton does. And I don't think he ever thought he would be in this position--so successful in his peoples' campaign as to invite this sort of "swift-boating" to shove him out (whether it's to clear the field for Clinton or Biden). I DO think he will serve, and serve well, if he gets past Clinton (or a Biden maneuver) and demolishes Trump in the GE (which he will surely do). But it's not in him to care more about politics than the issues he has so bravely and energetically raised. That's another reason to vote for him. In a sense, he CAN'T be "swift-boated."

We'll see what the next "dirty tricks" contrivance is. But he's more immune to these tactics than anybody in politics today. They've tried a lot of things on him already, God knows, and he's still winning primaries. He is beholden to no one but us--we, the people--and he seems undauntable in that commitment.

[Barack_America]

78. Thanks for the excellent post.

I agree with you on all points (including CA, and Sanders not actually wanting to be President).

With CA, don't forget that all those unaffiliated voters can only vote in the Dem primary.

[riderinthestorm]

80. +10000. Bravo. You've nailed it!!

[840high]

90. Good post +1

[jwirr]

22. It is about the Super-Delegates. Their real job is to make

sure that the BEST candidate - the one most likely to win the GE is nominated. And despite Hillary's claim in the end I believe that is what most of them will do.

So she has some problems: she is still losing states to Bernie; she has won in many states that will not vote for her in the GE; she is being investigated by the FBI - it is no longer just the Rs; she has pushed a large part of the party away from voting for her (Bernie supporters and Independents); Rs hate her; there is talk of cheating and so on.

The Super-Delegates are not stupid. They see that she has these problems and they have got to be wondering if she had it in her to win the GE.

Of course she wants Bernie out so that the Super-Delegates will have no choice but to attend the coronation. Go Bernie, do not give in. You are the best choice.

[Baobab]

28. "And despite Hillary's claim in the end I believe that is what most of them will do"

Do you think Hillary would be willing to reverse the US's position on this issue? Dump this problematic definition?

http://www.iatp.org/files/GATS_and_Public_Service_Systems.htm

[jeepers]

23. Over the top

Because they know that if Bernie is able to mount a third party challenge Clinton is toast. They must destroy him and his base here and now.

[AtomicKitten]

25. I suspect it's to clear a path to give the nod to Biden when Clinton Indictment-Palooza begins.

[DJ13]

91. I agree

[hollowdweller]

26. The Clintons have a huge political network of people who stand to all get jobs if she wins.

One of the good, and bad things about the Clintons is there is a huge network of insiders who stand to get jobs if she wins.

With it staying FAIRLY close and with Sanders seemingly gaining steam the farther he goes along they are getting nervous.

Also if Sanders gets a say one of the things he will ask for is people who are connected to the big banks or who have been anti worker not be appointed to key positions.

So I think it is in those people's interest to do away with BERNIE ASAP even if he's not going to win, because if he has a say they may not get a spot in the admin.

[pangaia]

34. Which includes a big big portion of the media..

[Baobab]

36. Sanders would be unlikely to hire from the same pool of people that had been so willing to

buy into the spin of the day.

[Dem2]

33. I don't care if he stays in

He can do whatever he wants

[Autumn]

35. Hill's tired and needs a break from all that hard work?

[Throd]

44. Apparently there is a no-return policy on the crown.

[grasswire]

56. men in black suits with badges

in her rear view mirror

[Kip Humphrey]

59. discomfort with a Hillary nomination is growing. Hillary's been losing 1/2 percent to Trump every

day for the last 10.

[guillaumeb]

60. Because Sanders shows what a real alternative party would look like.

One where the Democrats presented a real alternative to GOP austerity and catering to the 1%.

[Peachhead22]

66. Question about superdelegates

If Bernie drops out before the convention do all the superdelegates go to Hillary no matter what? Or can they still vote for whoever they want?

If Bernie dropping out early would automatically, by rule, require the superdelegates to vote for her (or nullify anyone that doesn't), then I think we have our answer. If that is the case, Bernie dropping out early would preclude superdelegates from changing their mind should another shoe drop.

[LonePirate]

67. Resources are limited for the GE and most people realize Bernie has little chance to win the nom.

Yes, he still has a chance but the chance is so small that only a fool would go to Vegas and place a wager on it, were it legal.

[CobaltBlue]

69. Skwmom—A New Day

The 2016 United States is not the same as 2008.

The country is more left than it has been in decades—and this is especially the case with Millenials.

Take a moment and refer to the Republicans and Democrats as not being political parties but businesses. Their business happens to be electoral politics.

The 18–29 voters are Democrats’ age base. (For the Republicans, their base is 65+.)

The youngest voting-age base represents what is likely to take shape American politics in the future.

In 2008, they gave Barack Obama nationally 66 percent of their vote. His 2012 re-election was an underperformance, compared to his first election (re-elected incumbents tend to perform stronger), but he still received 60 percent. (In 2004, John Kerry had just 54 percent of their vote nationwide.)

Between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, it is the latter who is winning the Democratic Party’s age base of support—he averages nationally over 70 percent; and his reaching 80 percent in not only Iowa and New Hampshire but in states not even exit-polled (likely those in which he received more than 55 percent of the statewide vote) plus Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin, among others, are the level of numbers which are the dream of all Democratic presidential candidates.

Hillary Clinton, long-established the frontrunner, can lose this age group in the primaries. But, the loss should be around 55 to 60 percent at the worst. Her birth state is Illinois; she lost them there with 86 percent for Bernie Sanders, the second highest percentage of 17–29 voting support he has received according to states’ exit polls. (Bernie Sanders's home state, Vermont, which gave him 86 percent of the overall vote, resulted in him having carried 17–29 voters with 95 percent of their vote.)

His platform has won over the Millenials.

What does the long-established frontrunner do about this? That is, if she is going to win the nomination and get elected the 45th president of the United States, she has to have Bernie Sanders's primaries voters' votes.

Hillary Clinton cannot win the general election without Bernie Sanders’s primaries voters? She is not going to succeed in any effort to circumvent a plausible voting pattern by winning over a sufficient number of Republican-to-Democratic crossover voters, nationally, and conspicuously underperform the 18–29 vote.

Nevada was a power grab by that state’s Democratic establishment. Barbara Boxer just happening to stop in from neighboring California, and addressing Bernie Sanders’s voter to give up on Sanders, was her contribution to trying to set up Sanders/voters as unreasonable and troubling because Boxer and company hope that spills over into the California Democratic presidential primaries on June 07. And the “threats”—according to Nevada chair Roberta Lange, plus the “report” by Jon Ralston—is collusion from a Democratic establishment wanting to shut down Bernie Sanders and his voters, to claim victory for a Hillary Clinton nomination, and move on from Bernie Sanders.

What is politically foolish about this is that makes it possible that Bernie Sanders’s voters would decline in participation and Democratic Party support in the general election. Barack Obama won re-election in 2012 with 51.02 percent and margin of +03.86—and that is not tough to erase if the country shifts Republican. 2000 and 2008—party-flipping years for the White House—averaged about 09 points nationwide. To perform on par with that, a 2016 Donald Trump could win a Republican pickup of the presidency with a national margin of +05, retain all the 2012 Mitt Romney states (206 electoral votes), and flip the lion’s share from the following: Florida (29), Ohio (18), Virginia (13), Colorado (09), Iowa (06), New Hampshire (04), Wisconsin (10), Pennsylvania (20), Minnesota (10), Nevada (06), New Mexico (05), and Michigan (16).

Since it is likely the nomination will go to Hillary Clinton, it is up to her and her campaign with how to handle the general election—her overall campaign. But, no party wins without a key base. And it has been clear since Iowa, on February 01, that Hillary and her camp have been out of touch with the politics of the Millenials.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Agreed. Very good post

Recommended

[islandmkl]

106. K&R....sharp analysis....

[AgingAmerican]

71. They are in full self destruct mode

It's the stupidest thing I have ever seen in a Democratic contest. They make Blago look like a saint.

[Skwmom]

96. Agreed. I'm begining to wonder if there isn't some Democrats that want to throw it to the GOP.

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. FOIA and FBI. nt

[davidlynch]

73. He keeps talking about things they don't want him to talk about...

They really want him to stop talking because they are doing nothing about the issues he hammers day in and day out.

[oldandhappy]

76. He speaks truth.

[anotherproletariat]

77. Because he's gone rogue...not even close to being a strong party leader.

And not calling in his riotous masses? Really?

[Skwmom]

87. Bernie's first loyalty is to the people.

[anotherproletariat]

88. His people, apparently. nt

[anotherproletariat]

82. To directly answer your question, the Hillary supporters have finally gotten tired of the bullying

If you read the posts in the Hillary forum, you will see that we all just snapped at the same time, and decided not to take the abuse anymore.

[dubyadiprecession]

84. Why do birds suddenly appear, everytime BS is near?..

[trudyco]

85. We will probably get an idea on Tuesday.

That's my guess. I still don't understand the set-up in Nevada. The video of Barbara Boxer shocked me. Then the MSM coordinated attack on Sanders supporters, making them out to be violent like Trump supporters when it's obvious it was a setup.

How does that stop Tuesday, and the next 8 weeks? Were they hoping Sanders would feel humiliated by his horrible supporters and quit? They didn't think he'd look at the videos? I can't figure that one out.

Tuesday could be illuminating.

[pnwmom]

97. Many of us want Hillary to not have to waste any more time or campaign funds fighting Bernie

when Trump is the real enemy.

[bvf]

102. Gee, I thought it was "over."

At least that's what dozens upon dozens of OPs have been insisting for months.

And it's truly curious that the more it's said, the less obvious it becomes.

[pnwmom]

103. She HAS won but if she doesn't bother to campaign against Bernie in the rest of the states

it will cut into her margin and make her appear weaker against Trump. So she's forced to continue.

If it isn't obvious to you that Bernie cannot win 68% of the remaining pledged delegates, which is what he'd need to get the majority of pledged delegates, then logic isn't your strong suit.

[bvf]

105. Right. Blame Sanders for her baggage.

Poor thing. That awful Sanders person just won't go away, and it fairly bugs the shit out of you.

Good.

[pnwmom]

108. Sanders has plenty of his own baggage, and it would all be unpacked for the General

if he had ever gotten that far.

[bvf]

116. He's gotten this far, much to the Clinton campaign's

obvious consternation, and evident in its recently heightened shit-slinging.

As to Sanders's supposed baggage: go right ahead and cite some.

[pnwmom]

117. Other than the fact that the GOP will have a field day with the commie/socialist/pinko smear?

There's plenty.

[senz]

98. I think you're right; something must be up.

His opponent's local followers want to push her through at all costs. Maybe the strain is too much for them and they just want it over with?

Or maybe they're afraid that if she doesn't get it right now she might never get it? And if she never gets it, their lives will lose all meaning?

I don't think our nation's founders quite envisioned this.

[pnwmom]

112. No. They want to focus campaign funds and energy on defeating the REAL enemy.

Bernie, OTOH, is in the position where he knows he can't continue into the general, so he's free to throw everything but the kitchen sink at Hillary.

[Fumesucker]

99. Something wicked this way comes

Hillary *can't* leave the campaign with Bernie still in, there would be no even hand wavingly legitimate way to parachute say Biden into the candidacy.

They have to keep delaying the FBI thing until Bernie gets out of the race and the strain is starting to get to them, I doubt everyone involved is on the same page and the internal friction must be enormous.

[BlueStater]

100. Hillary must be an incredibly weak fucking candidate if Bernie is hurting her.

If she can't even handle Bernie, Trump is going to absolutely OBLITERATE her.

[pnwmom]

101. Bernie must be monumentally weak if he's losing to an incredibly weak opponent. n/t

[BlueStater]

104. Yet her supporters are the ones whining about him "hurting" her with his nasty words.

Really doesn't say much about their candidate if her primary opponent can weaken her so much. If Sanders is too rough on her then Trump is going to tear her damn head off and splatter it like a watermelon.

[pnwmom]

109. That would be true regardless of whichever candidate was this far in the lead. When Obama was

leading Hillary at this point, even though his lead was much smaller, I agreed with Hillary's decision to stop attacking him. She kept running, but she focused her attacks on McCain. That's what Bernie should be doing.

[silvershadow]

107. Because he is currently winning Oregon with about 68%. nt

[pnwmom]

110. Wrong. It's 56% to 42. And Oregon is only about 3% African American, so not reflective

of our much more diverse country.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-05-17#OR-Dem

[mhatrw]

111. Well, the CA primary is coming up. nt

[seabeyond]

113. Because he spends time attacking, bashing, insulting Democrats. Why would you be pondering this?

[imagine2015]

114. Because the corporate and Wall Street "community" fears him. He's their #1 enemy.

They with the support of conservative and centrist Democrats must crush him.

[Zorra]

115. They think his presence in the race will damage her chances of winning the GE,

and don't understand that it is not Bernie doing this damage, but that it is the ceaseless, blatant corruption of her campaign that has driven, and is still driving, people of conscience away.