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Seedersandleechers

(3,044 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:53 PM Jan 2012

Santorum Staffer Says Women Shouldn’t Be President Because It’s Against God’s Will

In an article about the reasons Rep. Michele Bachmann’s campaign fizzled, the Des Moines Register points to “sexism among conservatives,” singling out an offensive email written by a staffer to Rick Santorum:

Rival presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s Iowa coalitions director, Jamie Johnson, sent out an email saying that children’s lives would be harmed if the nation had a female president. [...]

“The question then comes, ‘Is it God’s highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will, … to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?’ ” Johnson’s email said.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/17/402438/santorum-staffer-says-women-shouldnt-be-president-because-its-against-gods-will/?mobile=nc

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Santorum Staffer Says Women Shouldn’t Be President Because It’s Against God’s Will (Original Post) Seedersandleechers Jan 2012 OP
Many people in Bachmann's former church would agree... Kalidurga Jan 2012 #1
she really wanted to win too Enrique Jan 2012 #2
Holy shit. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #3
Actually, they'd never make it into the 16th century LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #8
Those are FOREIGNERS!!! Wait Wut Jan 2012 #12
Golda Meir HockeyMom Jan 2012 #4
God makes women leaders XemaSab Jan 2012 #5
She was not a Christian. RC Jan 2012 #9
They only pay lip service to Judeo/Christians values HockeyMom Jan 2012 #10
But, she had a god that she believed in. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #11
Maybe he should look around..many countries had and have women as their leaders. shraby Jan 2012 #6
It's not sexist! Gawd commands it!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #7
none of that is in the red ink part... SemperEadem Jan 2012 #17
Oh, I betcha $arah Palin's God would flippin' disagree. tanyev Jan 2012 #13
And the God who told Bachmann to run treestar Jan 2012 #18
This is news? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #14
Yeah, yeah - I remember reading that in the Constitution, or FreeRepublic or something. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #15
Oh My God! Why doesn't he just republish John Knox's invective SemperEadem Jan 2012 #16
Santorum is Catholic and it is clear that he is very much into the Catholic patriarchal model so it yellowcanine Jan 2012 #19
WTF? DesertFlower Jan 2012 #20
sorry to yell, but THIS IS WHY THESE PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER BE IN POWER AGAIN. pepperbear Jan 2012 #21
Keep 'em barefoot and preggers, eh Johnson? 47of74 Jan 2012 #22
Gack. DirkGently Jan 2012 #23

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. Many people in Bachmann's former church would agree...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jan 2012

Republicans like to brag they have a lot of prominent women and minorities in their party. But, one of the reasons they are so prominent is because there are so few of them.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
2. she really wanted to win too
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jan 2012

imagine if she got so pissed at this very real injustice and became a feminist, and started rethinking all forms of bigotry in some quarters of conservative Christianity? Not likely of course, but wouldn't that be something?

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
3. Holy shit.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jan 2012

I'm stunned. They'll never make it into the 21st century, will they? Hell, I'd be shocked if they crawled over the line into the 20th.


‘Is it God’s highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will, … to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?’
But, isn't that the same opinion the left shares......about Republicans?

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
8. Actually, they'd never make it into the 16th century
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jan 2012

Elizabeth I did a pretty good job of ruling church and state. She was in a sense a female president: though by inheritance, not democratic vote, like all rulers of that time (and like GWB!)

Indeed there have been women rulers going all the way back at least to Hatshepsut in ancient Egypt.

But one must of course add that American presidents, unlike pre-democracy British monarchs, rule only state and not church. If Santorum thinks that the president rules both, then that is worrying in itself.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
12. Those are FOREIGNERS!!!
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jan 2012

Socialism! Communism! Womanism!!! We here in this God Blessed Country don't do things that way! (queue some overly patriotic country song with teary eyed redneck wrapped in a flag with a big brass cross for a belt-buckle).

And, yes, your last statement is more than a bit frightening.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
5. God makes women leaders
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jan 2012

in order to give judgement to nations.

It's not that women can't be civil magistrates, it's that women civil magistrates are against the natural order of things, and if God chooses one, it's basically a form of punishment.

/fundie think

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
9. She was not a Christian.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jan 2012

And most definitely, not an American Christian either. Other wise she wold not have made it so far.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
10. They only pay lip service to Judeo/Christians values
Reply to RC (Reply #9)
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jan 2012

Jesus was a Jew. The Jews are God's Chosen People in the Bible. Why didn't God smit his Chosen People for having a FEMALE leader?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. It's not sexist! Gawd commands it!!
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:49 PM
Jan 2012

Or, to be more accurate, the men who wrote the bible, and translated, and added their own opinions over centuries, and hid what they didn't like, and claimed GAWD's imprimatur for what they did like commanded it.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
women are not to teach in the church; for that is an act of power and authority, and supposes the persons that teach to be of a superior degree, and in a superior office, and to have superior abilities to those who are taught by them:

nor to usurp authority over the man; as not in civil and political things, or in things relating to civil government (emphasis mine); and in things domestic, or the affairs of the family; so not in things ecclesiastical, or what relate to the church and government of it; for one part of rule is to feed the church with knowledge and understanding; and for a woman to take upon her to do this, is to usurp an authority over the man: this therefore she ought not to do,

but to be in silence; to sit and hear quietly and silently, and learn, and not teach, as in 1 Timothy 2:11.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:8-15 Under the gospel, prayer is not to be confined to any one particular house of prayer, but men must pray every where. We must pray in our closets, pray in our families, pray at our meals, pray when we are on journeys, and pray in the solemn assemblies, whether more public or private. We must pray in charity; without wrath, or malice, or anger at any person.(emphasis mine---for off-topic reasons. I'm thinking of the prayers for Obama's wife to be widowed, etc. Disgusting people they are) We must pray in faith, without doubting, and without disputing. Women who profess the Christian religion, must be modest in apparel, not affecting gaudiness, gaiety, or costliness. Good works are the best ornament; these are, in the sight of God, of great price. Modesty and neatness are more to be consulted in garments than elegance and fashion. And it would be well if the professors of serious godliness were wholly free from vanity in dress. They should spend more time and money in relieving the sick and distressed, than in decorating themselves and their children. To do this in a manner unsuitable to their rank in life, and their profession of godliness, is sinful. These are not trifles, but Divine commands. The best ornaments for professors of godliness, are good works. According to St. Paul, women are not allowed to be public teachers in the church; for teaching is an office of authority. But good women may and ought to teach their children at home the principles of true religion. Also, women must not think themselves excused from learning what is necessary to salvation, though they must not usurp authority. As woman was last in the creation, which is one reason for her subjection, so she was first in the transgression. But there is a word of comfort; that those who continue in sobriety, [font color=red]shall be saved in child-bearing, or with child-bearing[/font], by the Messiah, who was born of a woman. And the especial sorrow to which the female sex is subject, should cause men to exercise their authority with much gentleness, tenderness, and affection.(emphasis mine)

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
17. none of that is in the red ink part...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jan 2012

and IMO, the only thing that matters in that book is the stuff in red ink. The rest of it was written by Paul--who was not related to jesus or god.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
15. Yeah, yeah - I remember reading that in the Constitution, or FreeRepublic or something.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jan 2012

Mr. Frothy is one sick asshole.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
16. Oh My God! Why doesn't he just republish John Knox's invective
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:37 PM
Jan 2012

"The Last Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women"?

Queen Elizabeth I had to contend with this bullshit when she came to the throne. Her best answer to this stupidity is "my sex does not diminish my prestige". If it is God's will for a woman to win a nomination, then clearly it's god's will for female regiment.

That crap about women not being fit to lead is totally Paulist and not xtian.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
19. Santorum is Catholic and it is clear that he is very much into the Catholic patriarchal model so it
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jan 2012

is not surprising that he has staffers who feel the same way.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
22. Keep 'em barefoot and preggers, eh Johnson?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:04 AM
Jan 2012

Johnson, you're 10 pounds of cow manure in a five pound bag.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
23. Gack.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:37 AM
Jan 2012

Religious. Extremists. Yet no one will say there's something wrong with that. We're supposed to act like insanely vicious, completely malicious and nonsensical points of view are compatible with holding national political office, on the premise that, as they are claimed to be rooted in the Bible, they are somehow grandfathered in as respectable philosophy.


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