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In an article about the reasons Rep. Michele Bachmanns campaign fizzled, the Des Moines Register points to sexism among conservatives, singling out an offensive email written by a staffer to Rick Santorum:
Rival presidential candidate Rick Santorums Iowa coalitions director, Jamie Johnson, sent out an email saying that childrens lives would be harmed if the nation had a female president. [...]
The question then comes, Is it Gods highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will,
to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state? Johnsons email said.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/17/402438/santorum-staffer-says-women-shouldnt-be-president-because-its-against-gods-will/?mobile=nc
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Republicans like to brag they have a lot of prominent women and minorities in their party. But, one of the reasons they are so prominent is because there are so few of them.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)imagine if she got so pissed at this very real injustice and became a feminist, and started rethinking all forms of bigotry in some quarters of conservative Christianity? Not likely of course, but wouldn't that be something?
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)I'm stunned. They'll never make it into the 21st century, will they? Hell, I'd be shocked if they crawled over the line into the 20th.
Is it Gods highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will,
to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?
But, isn't that the same opinion the left shares......about Republicans?
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)Elizabeth I did a pretty good job of ruling church and state. She was in a sense a female president: though by inheritance, not democratic vote, like all rulers of that time (and like GWB!)
Indeed there have been women rulers going all the way back at least to Hatshepsut in ancient Egypt.
But one must of course add that American presidents, unlike pre-democracy British monarchs, rule only state and not church. If Santorum thinks that the president rules both, then that is worrying in itself.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Socialism! Communism! Womanism!!! We here in this God Blessed Country don't do things that way! (queue some overly patriotic country song with teary eyed redneck wrapped in a flag with a big brass cross for a belt-buckle).
And, yes, your last statement is more than a bit frightening.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)So how did that happen then? Prime Minster of Israel, a mother, and a grandmother.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)in order to give judgement to nations.
It's not that women can't be civil magistrates, it's that women civil magistrates are against the natural order of things, and if God chooses one, it's basically a form of punishment.
/fundie think
RC
(25,592 posts)And most definitely, not an American Christian either. Other wise she wold not have made it so far.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Jesus was a Jew. The Jews are God's Chosen People in the Bible. Why didn't God smit his Chosen People for having a FEMALE leader?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Same god as the Christians.
shraby
(21,946 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Or, to be more accurate, the men who wrote the bible, and translated, and added their own opinions over centuries, and hid what they didn't like, and claimed GAWD's imprimatur for what they did like commanded it.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
women are not to teach in the church; for that is an act of power and authority, and supposes the persons that teach to be of a superior degree, and in a superior office, and to have superior abilities to those who are taught by them:
nor to usurp authority over the man; as not in civil and political things, or in things relating to civil government (emphasis mine); and in things domestic, or the affairs of the family; so not in things ecclesiastical, or what relate to the church and government of it; for one part of rule is to feed the church with knowledge and understanding; and for a woman to take upon her to do this, is to usurp an authority over the man: this therefore she ought not to do,
but to be in silence; to sit and hear quietly and silently, and learn, and not teach, as in 1 Timothy 2:11.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:8-15 Under the gospel, prayer is not to be confined to any one particular house of prayer, but men must pray every where. We must pray in our closets, pray in our families, pray at our meals, pray when we are on journeys, and pray in the solemn assemblies, whether more public or private. We must pray in charity; without wrath, or malice, or anger at any person.(emphasis mine---for off-topic reasons. I'm thinking of the prayers for Obama's wife to be widowed, etc. Disgusting people they are) We must pray in faith, without doubting, and without disputing. Women who profess the Christian religion, must be modest in apparel, not affecting gaudiness, gaiety, or costliness. Good works are the best ornament; these are, in the sight of God, of great price. Modesty and neatness are more to be consulted in garments than elegance and fashion. And it would be well if the professors of serious godliness were wholly free from vanity in dress. They should spend more time and money in relieving the sick and distressed, than in decorating themselves and their children. To do this in a manner unsuitable to their rank in life, and their profession of godliness, is sinful. These are not trifles, but Divine commands. The best ornaments for professors of godliness, are good works. According to St. Paul, women are not allowed to be public teachers in the church; for teaching is an office of authority. But good women may and ought to teach their children at home the principles of true religion. Also, women must not think themselves excused from learning what is necessary to salvation, though they must not usurp authority. As woman was last in the creation, which is one reason for her subjection, so she was first in the transgression. But there is a word of comfort; that those who continue in sobriety, [font color=red]shall be saved in child-bearing, or with child-bearing[/font], by the Messiah, who was born of a woman. And the especial sorrow to which the female sex is subject, should cause men to exercise their authority with much gentleness, tenderness, and affection.(emphasis mine)
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)and IMO, the only thing that matters in that book is the stuff in red ink. The rest of it was written by Paul--who was not related to jesus or god.
tanyev
(42,516 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Maybe He was kidding.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)All along, I knew the people of Iowa would move to Ricky Boy because he has a penis and is white.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Mr. Frothy is one sick asshole.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)"The Last Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women"?
Queen Elizabeth I had to contend with this bullshit when she came to the throne. Her best answer to this stupidity is "my sex does not diminish my prestige". If it is God's will for a woman to win a nomination, then clearly it's god's will for female regiment.
That crap about women not being fit to lead is totally Paulist and not xtian.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)is not surprising that he has staffers who feel the same way.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)pepperbear
(5,648 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Johnson, you're 10 pounds of cow manure in a five pound bag.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Religious. Extremists. Yet no one will say there's something wrong with that. We're supposed to act like insanely vicious, completely malicious and nonsensical points of view are compatible with holding national political office, on the premise that, as they are claimed to be rooted in the Bible, they are somehow grandfathered in as respectable philosophy.