Barbara Boxer feared for her safety the same way Hillary dodged sniper fire

[Bread and Circus]

Birds of a feather I guess.

[pangaia]

1. LOL!!!!

[Florencenj2point0]

108. Hey Barbara , you most beloved of liberal senators UNDER THE BIG BUS !!!

There is a spot for you right next to Krugman!

[pangaia]

116. She did what she did. There is no bus.

Try to think of something original.

You certainly don't seem to be living yo to your avatar.

[libdem4life]

197. She fell on her sword...probably called in a favor.

Such a great Senator having to be surrounded by armed officers by giving a stupid speech for a stupid reason. This is how she'll be remembered as she's retiring. In fear for her life...not to mention a lie. And in Nevada, no less.

[MaeScott]

228. What a shame to go out lying for Hillary. Just a shame.

[libdem4life]

229. This has been a regretful element of

A number of accomplished women. HRH/HRC sees this as mere collateral damage, including.her own daughter.

Just business as usual.

[Matrosov]

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[libdem4life]

231. Thanks for the heads up.

Words fail me and that doesn't happen often.

[scscholar]

2. Uhh, was the sniper thing ever disproven?

I saw pictures, but they could have been from a different airport at a different time.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Are you even remotely serious?

[dchill]

20. This is the mentality we are up against.

It's like redstate dot com around here. The only thing that's been proven is that Hillary Clinton is a serial liar.

Controlling my gag reflex.

[merrily]

54. Last figure I saw was around 60% of those polled think she's dishonest.

She polled higher on dishonesty in February than anyone in the race at the time, including all the Republicans, even Trump. (Bernie polled most honest of them all.)

She started out 30 points ahead of Obama and lost. She started out 65 points ahead of Sanders and look where she is. She started out 10 points ahead of Trump. Yikes.

[dchill]

58. I have to wonder how many of the hard-line Hillary supporters...

here tacitly think she's basically dishonest (how can they not?), yet continue to say that Bernie is a liar for continuing to fundraise when "he has zero chance of winning.&quot What's the motivation?

I truly do not get it.

[merrily]

98. Don't worry about what they're thinking.

I used to say to our audiences: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked (1935), ISBN 0-520-08198-6; repr. University of California Press, 1994, p. 109.

[Silver_Witch]

105. You should have won!

[merrily]

110. Decent people shouldn't support liars like Boxer.

[Silver_Witch]

216. She is just hoping for a cabinet seat I am sure.

Women are no different then men in that regard.

[merrily]

218. She'll do ok.She's the mother in-law of Hillary's brother( I think that's the relationship:

I keep blocking it out.)

[Silver_Witch]

220. Oh my gosh I never knew that...

"In 1994, Boxer's daughter Nicole married Tony Rodham, the brother of then-First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. The Rose Garden ceremony, in which teenage First Daughter Chelsea Clinton served as a bridesmaid, was the first White House wedding in 23 years."

[pangaia]

118. They also say Bernie is taking us "poor' people for suckers.

Stealing from us, refusing to tell us he 'has no chance."

When I make a contribution, I knoe exactly what I am doing.

They don't get it at all?

[dchill]

164. It's the green eyed monster.

[Yurovsky]

170. Exactly... Reminds of this scene from The Grinch...

At 1:15 to 1:59... The HRC gang just doesn't get it... Progressivism means just a little bit more than simply looking out for #1 a la Hillary "Moneybags" Clinton. They are envious of being a part of something that actually has true meaning, and represents decency and honesty, and standing behind a candidate who DIDN'T go into politics to get rich and amass power.

[dchill]

172. Teaches two valuable lessons from my youth...

Have a sense of humor, and a conscience. Thanks, Dr Seuss.

[Yurovsky]

176. And who DOESN'T love his little dog "Max"?!??!??

[sibelian]

191. I have concluded, sadly, that the worst of them see in her qualities they admire in themselves.

I won't elaborate.

[truedelphi]

222. Well the motivation for some of them has got to

be that money that Brock put aside to bolster the Social Media end of things.

How many millions is getting spent?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

205. LOL!

[Duckhunter935]

6. Ah, yes

Many times from the reporters on that trip

[Art_from_Ark]

7. Hillary herself said she "misspoke" about the "sniper fire",

that it was a "minor blip"

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

[AzDar]

10. She "Misspoke" About It Multiple Times... That's Called A LIE.

[Art_from_Ark]

11. Depends on what the definition of "is" is

[AzDar]

14. You are correct... didn't check my Clinton-To-English Dictionary.

[Darb]

90. Nice one art, you will get an award for that one.

From Glenn Beck. Goody for you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. Oh come on. She hadn't slept in MONTHS! Sleep depravity is series!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

122. Sleep depravity. Best new phrase I love the turn of phrase--it works.

[Vattel]

135. I know I am pretty depraved when I sleep--at least when I am dreaming.

[merrily]

223. DUzy!

[Scootaloo]

126. Brian Williams lost his job for less n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

207. how can one misspeak about something like that

it was blatantly obvious that she wasn't being subjected to sniper fire. It makes you wonder about her being fit for the presidency.

[Art_from_Ark]

226. She does have a propsensity to, um, embellish

I think that's from her days as a corporate defense lawyer where she was expected to lie with a straight face.

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. Actually it was all true

[Silver_Witch]

107. Oh Cheese you are going to make the Clinton supporters cry!

Or they will take this and post it as proof of her toughness! Hard to say which!

[derpderpderp]

127. Don't forget she claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.

Sir Edmund Hillary didn't climb Mt. Everest until Hillary Clinton was 6 years old.

Oh and she claimed she was turned down to join the Marines in 1975.

And all her grandparents were immigrants. Only one of her grandparents was an immigrant.

And she claimed she was "dead broke" when they left the White House.

[merrily]

35. Yes, utterly disproven.

[akbacchus_BC]

61. It was disproven. Mrs. Clinton was greeted with flowers,

no sniper fire. Gosh, she likes to lie. Even me in Canada knows that she lied. Thank goodness a Comedian was with her. Not sure but I think he disputed her allegations about sniper fire!

[JRLeft]

87. YouTube has plenty of videos.

[trudyco]

4. well, I don't think Hillary was flipping the snipers off

but I could be wrong.

[merrily]

45. In order to flip off snipers, first, you need snipers.

Hillary did not, however, flip off the little girl who handed her flowers at the airport.

[Duckhunter935]

5. Lol

[The Second Stone]

8. Oooh! More bro bragging

this is disgusting.

[merrily]

46. You may need to look up the definition of bragging.

Hint: Accusing someone of lying is not bragging.

[HooptieWagon]

77. I think they were just tasked with using 'bro' in a sentence.

[JonLeibowitz]

79. Is there a bonus for gratuitously using bro in their canned responses?

[Flighty McFlight]

210. I heard Brock gives an extra dollar for every "Bro"

but it must be used successfully.

[merrily]

80. No matter how nonsensical! Good point. You're probably correct.

Bro, bragging and disgusting may all have been assigned words.

[sibelian]

192. Even they must be getting tired of this lazy, misandric drivel by now...

What IS the sinister overtone we're all supposed to be worried about in the word "bro", exactly? My nephews use it all the time...

[trudyco]

139. I'm putting in a bro for you

In case you are getting paid by the bro. Since I'm sure the big boss isn't paying you $15/hour living minimum wage.

[LadyHawkAZ]

194. Cool story bro n/t

[Luminous Animal]

9. Big giant fat fucking liars.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. ^THIS^ is the truth, right here.

[brush]

12. Guess you didn't see the video of the Sanders supporter angrily yelling "f_ck you bitch" just a . .

few feet away from her in a crowd of other angry Sanders supporters who weren't able to change the outcome of Clinton's win on election day.

Google it. It was posted right here on Saturday night.

[brush]

19. You didn't answer the question. Did you see the video?

[mindwalker_i]

43. You didn't ask a question

[merrily]

37. Not nice at all, but how does cursing make a politician fear for her life?

Politics is not for hothouse plants and Boxer has been it the game a long, long time. I'm sure she's been cursed at scores of times before.

If you really want to hurt women in politics, keep up stuff like this.

[Silver_Witch]

112. Exactly. We woman are not delicate flowers who faint at swear words!

Fuck I can out swear my husband any day and a well placed fuck here or there can certainly get some action! Hell I like Boxer but what she did these last few days has shamed her more then any Bernie supporter!

Ladies put on your helmets and get over this pretent hurt feelings and shock. This is 2016 not 1816! Move on and continue the battle us old ladies have been fighting for you for decades!

Fuck yeah!

[pangaia]

119. Fuck yeah!!!

[hobbit709]

175. Fuck was my wife's favorite word, with shit a close second.

[Silver_Witch]

215. She sounds like a wonderful woman!

[Amaril]

182. A-fucking-men!

As an aside, I was in my boss' office & we were talking to some company higher ups via telephone.......one of them became frustrated by the case we were discussing and said: "I mean, seriously. What is this crap?!" and then, "Oh, excuse me, Amaril."

My boss -- who has heard me say "Fuck!" a bajillion times over the course of our work-relationship -- looked at me, hit mute on the phone & we both fell out laughing.

[Silver_Witch]

214. Exactly...

[whathehell]

15. Bad analogy

An event can be documented, a feeling cannot.

[senz]

17. Violence and chair throwing can be documented

but they weren't.

[whathehell]

23. No.shit...She never claimed that happened, and guess what?

One can certainly feel fear when being verbally attacked by a crowd.

[senz]

24. Is that why she was taunting, crowing and chortling?

Or didn't she feel any "fear" until she spoke with the news media the next day?

[whathehell]

26. Please show us where she is "taunting, growing and chortling"

or is there as much proof of that as the chair throwing?

[senz]

29. Here ya go...

The thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511963351

The video:

[notadmblnd]

32. Did you see this one?

She is blowing kisses and at the very end it look like she flips off the people as she walks calmly past them.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrampyKnight/status/733288848008978432

[senz]

36. Wow. I saw a still of it and didn't know who it was.

Good lord. She certainly earned the "b" word there.

What a horrible person. I doubt most Californians knew what she was like.

And obviously she's not scared.

[shanti]

40. No, we did not know...

Until we did! But her true colors came shining thru!

[frylock]

57. I've voted for her and once had a great deal of respect for her.

I feel ashamed for that now.

[lumberjack_jeff]

147. Not only NOT scared but aggressively contemptuous. In fairness, what else could she do?

It was her job to make the best for team weathervane of a complete travesty.
She could:
a) attempt to mollify the crowd about hard fought battles, worthy opponents, shared goals and respect for the rules... which might have been possible if the whole process had featured any shared goals or respect for those rules, or...
b) goad, taunt and troll the other guys as completely as possible and use the resulting outrage as a talking point in Kentucky and Oregon.

[senz]

163. ^^ Excellent overview & summary ^^

You put it all into a few well-chosen words, lumberjack_jeff.

Thanks!

[merrily]

41. Whenever someone puts me in mortal terror, I flip them off, too.

What are things that make no sense at all, Alex?

[LanternWaste]

88. I often re-evaluate my environment more than once, hence my reactions may or may not change as well.

I often re-evaluate my environment more than once, hence my reactions may or may not change as well.


"What are things that make no sense at all, Alex?
Allowing your bias to assign emotion to a person who stated they felt a completely different emotion. The irrational and hysterical justifications are accurately showing colors not intended.

[merrily]

95. My bias, my ass. Watch the videos.

[merrily]

44. The crowd was rude, but her behavior was bizarre.

I would have expected more maturity from a high school senior running for class President, let alone a seasoned politician like Boxer. Wowza.

And yes, she did flip them off at the end. She had a brown shirt cop or security guard beside her during the whole speech and about 5 walked her out.

I had some sympathy for her before, but she's been lying through her teeth, so that's done.

[FlatBaroque]

50. This is all starting to have a ritualistic air to it. Very creepy

One after the other, solid people step up and fall on their sword for Her. Famous and more obscure bureaucrats alike each take their turn and say the most bizarre shit. What is going on??

[merrily]

52. Funny you should say that. Until this thread, my standard comment on Boxer has been

Boxer Steinemed™ herself.

However, Boxer is somewhat understandable in that someone in her family is married to a relative of Hillary--her brother maybe? Not sure.

[senz]

60. Her daughter was married to Hill's brother.

Must have been a May-December thing. So they're sort of family. I don't know if there were any kids.

It's probably googleable.

[merrily]

99. Thanks. Yep. Google reveals a lot of incestuous interrelationships.

When I heard "Politics makes strange bedfellows" I never imagined an actual bed.

[trudyco]

143. Haha.

Barbara Boxer's behavior was so bizarre but the MSM distortion, following the DNC lies, is just scary. Anybody can see the videos on the internet and know they (DNC and Clinton and Boxer) are full of it.

Boxer provoked a disgruntled crowd, a group that had watched the rules of the convention thrown out the window to benefit Hillary. Boxer purposely making them more angry. Then she blew smarmy kisses and flipped off somebody as she left under heavy guard. That last part seemed like she was drunk, but her behavior on the podium didn't. Speech wasn't slurred at all.

Very, very, very strange. Well grandson Zachary Rodham will have that to look at over and over again.

[merrily]

145. I hope Zach is heavily biased in favor of his family, as are most of us.

Heck, I wouldn't wish my childhood on Oliver Twist, but no one else better run their mouth about my parents or my evil sister, LOL!

[lumberjack_jeff]

158. It's not bizarre at all. It was trolling.

She could do nothing else. You can't mollify the victims of your thefts, you can only goad them into doing something stupid once the cops show up.

I wonder which bank she's going to work for post retirement? Maybe Barney Frank will hire her.

[passiveporcupine]

65. TM99 called this right

she is pointing with her finger (wagging it apparently) not flipping them off. And she was throwing kisses first...then wagged her finger at the crowd while saying "shame on you", not fuck you.

It doesn't make it any better. She was still trolling the crowd. I wonder how much she had to drink before she hit the stage that night, because that is not her usual behavior...but her whole speech was off the wall trolling.

[merrily]

224. I see her emphatically flipping the bird in the last couple of seconds of the video

She shoves her finger straight up into the air just as the video ends. Your results may vary.

[bunnies]

115. and now she claims she was in fear for her life?

wow. That vid clearly proves otherwise.

[notadmblnd]

117. Clearly the behavior of a terrified woman.

[bunnies]

121. Indeed. The poor dear.

[notadmblnd]

123. I think if something like that happened to me, that I would be afraid

to ever leave my house again. Even with my security detail that accompanies me to all events that I attend.

[bunnies]

125. Myself, I'd probably flee the country in terror.

And change my came. I'd probably even consider cosmetic surgery.

[notadmblnd]

129. It would be necessary for cosmetic surgery to be involved

The United States has done so much dirt to the rest of the world that without it, there's really no place for one terrified well known woman to hide.

[bunnies]

132. So true, so true.

And theres just no telling how many vast multi-national cells of Bernie Supporters Violent Booing Terrorist Network there are. We are legion, after all.

[notadmblnd]

133. ISIL got nothing on Bernie Bros baby!

[merrily]

42. Thanks, senz. A cop or guard is right beside her the whole time, ffs. And others probably close by

because several walked her out of the room--and no one tried to follow.

Her claims reek.

[libdem4life]

137. The one clip I saw, there was a phalanx of gun-toting officers

in front of the stage. Scared...right. She used to be the "good one" from California. Too bad her national exit...that night and career wise...had to end like that. Like HRC, however, she did it to herself. She walked into a hornet's nest knowing full well the territory. And no, she doesn't get a Victim Card. It's called accountability.

And the same is true for every person in the audience. Except they didn't get a national forum to address their feelings and opinions. So, there you have it. The Haves get a say (and blew it on The Chair incident), and the Have Nots get criticized for booing and hysterical recounts of The Chair. Both Chairs had problems that night.

[merrily]

140. As I keep saying, she Gloria Steinemed herself.

After reaching what, her eighties? as an equal rights icon, Steinem put a huge blot on her reputation and legacy by saying things that sounded both pre-pubescent and sexist, trying to bolster Hillary. After reaching almost retirement, Boxer has done a counterpart, only complete with semi-coherent yelling about booing Bernie and unintentional physical comedy. Very unfortunate.

[libdem4life]

142. Boxer has always been level-headed and classy. Unfortunate, indeed.

Like your new verb...Steinemed.

I thought of one, as well, to describe the HRC group here and elsewhere...Pretzeling. Twisting around and around, up and down, in and out, baked for hardness and salted for added flavor.

[merrily]

146. But....I like pretzels.

Besides, didn't they make Bush fall off the couch? That's worth something.

j/k Yes, I love verbing. See? Another one!

[libdem4life]

149. Forgot about Bush...LOL

[merrily]

150. See? Even a lowly pretzel can serve the nation.

I used to have a smiley/emote then with a map of the lone star state and a caption saying, "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot." I loved it.

[libdem4life]

199. Now you've gone and done it. Steinham leads to pretzels lead to Bush

And the Village missing it's idiot. OMG. I completely forgot. For good reason, to be sure.

[merrily]

219. I followed your post, but I don't know what I've done. I hope it was making you smile.

[merrily]

39. Then it's a good thing she's getting out of politics and again, see Reply 37.

[pdsimdars]

144. And one can "feel" that they are dodging sniper fire, but the FACT IS, IT NEVER HAPPENED.

[whathehell]

25. Feelings are "reality" for those feeling them. Boxer never CLAIMED violence --he said she felt fear

when she was being verbally abused by a crowd -- Are you going to "prove" she didn't?

[lapfog_1]

31. no, but the posted videos prove that she didn't ACT as if she was in fear...

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 08:52 AM - Edit history (1)

as a long time politician I'm sure she has been called many things by people in the crowd before this event... and even boo'ed while speaking. So I'm pretty sure she was not afraid for her life in NV.

[whathehell]

91. Oh, please...That's a matter of speculation..

Maybe, like many people, she felt safer, less vulnerable, hiding her fear.

She was a female being verbally abused with sexist slurs by a crowd of men.

As a woman, I know the feeling. Kind of like being a Jew at Nuremberg or a Black man at a Klan rally.

[lapfog_1]

93. kind of like being a Jew at Nuremberg

riiight.

She just spoke to the convention (why was she even there?).

She has security around her and I don't think she was ever a victim of KristalNacht.

And given Bernie Sanders background, do you really want to go there?

BTW, This is what real violence looks like

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/police-probe-possible-shooting-at-sanders-office

[whathehell]

94. Ever worn a dress?

been gang-raped, or threatened.with it?

Nah, I didn't think.so.

Come back when you know wtf you're talking about.

[lapfog_1]

97. wow, victim hood... nothing bad ever happens to men, only women

you don't know me... you have no idea what happened to me.

Please do not compare being called a name or being boo'ed at a public event with

a) the holocaust

b) racism and lynching

c) gang rape

[whathehell]

189. wow..denial hood...Are you saying women aren't "victims' of misogyny?

Where the Fuck have YOU been?

Don't talk to me about the Holocaust or lynchings, either -- Women suffered through all oll of that, and more

As John Lennon said "Women are the niggers of the world" -- Open your eyes.

P.S. I wasn't comparing 'being called names' to gang rape...I was saying that a woman has good reason

for visceral fear of a crowd of men yelling sexist slurs at her, because of the many hear accusing her of lying denying about it.

[notadmblnd]

33. watch how fearful she appeared

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrampyKnight/status/733288848008978432

Good thing I've never been that scared.

[whathehell]

85. Lol..Sounds like your 'professional' opinion is being undermined

by an obvious bias.

Boxer's statement matched her situation of being verbally abused by a crowd. Verbal abuse doesn't always end in physical violence,

but violence -- against females, especially -- is almost ALWAYS preceded by verbal abuse. You should know that.

[whathehell]

186. Lol...No, you are out of yours

What would you have preferred the Senator do? Whimper and cry while the bros slurred her as a "bitch' and a 'cunt'?

Sorry, honey, the only thing not passing the 'smell test" is you and the trash in Nevada.

[whathehell]

195. Yes, you are

and take your cheap psycho babble on "issues" and "projecting" elsewhere..You don't know me from Adam,

and your own agenda, which includes more than a little male pivilege, is clear.

[whathehell]

200. Given your FIFTEEN hides in 90 days, it seems fair to suggest that

licensed or not, you're extremely short on people skills, and have more.than a few "issues"yourself.

[passiveporcupine]

67. Maybe she felt guilt

because she knew she was trolling the crowd. And if you feel guilty and people are mad at you, you might also feel a little fear...because you know you screwed up and deserve the anger...but don't know if maybe you took it too far?

[whathehell]

86. They should feel guilt about abusing her with gender slurs..

Sickening.

[pdsimdars]

148. And then to spread that lie all over.

So, according to his logic, I could FEEL that someone killed someone else and go report it to the police? I mean, aren't those feelings just as valid as the facts?

Or maybe someone who is feeling strong emotions that are not supported by events, they should get their medications evaluated to see if something is off.

[whathehell]

203. Boxer's "strong emotions" were supported by the event of

a crowd of out of control men yelling sexist slurs at her

Maybe it's they who 'should get their medication evaluated'

[merrily]

38. People had an opinion about the truthfulness of Hillary's story before the video appeared.

They can have an opinion of Boxer's truthfulness without documentation, too. But, there is also video that makes it clear Boxer was not terrified.

Please see also, Reply 37.

[Deb]

22. I feel sorry for her

Sen Boxer obviously feels very safe within the DC beltway. A person can feel very vulnerable and scared when they are ouside their element.

[merrily]

47. Did you watch the videos senz and notadmblind posted?

First, at least one of the guards in a brown uniform was beside her throughout her speech and I'm guessing others were nearby because a cluster of them walked her out.

Second, her behavior was taunting provocative, albeit immature.

Third, she mocked the crowd on the way out and flipped the bird just before the video ended. No one I know who is afraid for her life acts that way.

[Deb]

84. Of course I watched

Boxer has become so insulated and removed from actual party voters that she thought her actions appropriate. I feel sorry for her, there was a time she championed those voters. This will stick to her as they had hoped it would stick to Sen Sanders.

[merrily]

96. I don't care that her actions were inappropriate. If she wants to act like a 12 year old clown,

that's on her. I care that she's lied ever since about fearing for her life.

[whathehell]

92. Not to mention when they're being verbally abused with sexist slurs

by a crowd of men.

[senz]

165. Oh yeh all the Bernie supporters were MEN!

Not. There were lots of Bernie women there, equally angry about the cheating.

Pretty sure most of us on DU are women. Quite a few little old lady Bernie supporters too, like me.

And we love our smart, peaceful, liberal progressive good guys. So cool it with the reverse sexism, will ya?

Doesn't work for us. We're fair-minded.

[whathehell]

183. No,I'd guess not, since I'm one

and angry or not, I wouldn't be hurling sexist slurs at any woman, let alone a 75 year old liberal.senator

If you did, or if you tolerate or condone that, well.shame on you.

[senz]

188. Well then I think we have a misunderstanding here.

[whathehell]

190. Okay. n/t

[Wednesdays]

171. Yeah, all those big, violent BERNIE BRO THUGS!!

I'm series!

[dchill]

27. K&R.

[Autumn]

28. K and fucking R

[bjo59]

30. Exactly. (I also find it morally bankrupt for people who think nothing of casually

destroying nations, turning millions upon millions of people into refugees, killing and maiming millions more, who vote to continue the dispossession and carnage or who support people who vote to continue the dispossession and carnage, to attempt to bring down an election opponent and his supporters with lies about their violence or tolerance for violence. Utterly repellent.)

[merrily]

48. WOW. That is one great post.

I never would have made that connection.

[senz]

63. Such an excellent point.

We really do lose sight of the forest for the trees.

Thank you for broadening this discussion's perspective, bjo59.

[akbacchus_BC]

64. Great post, and the liars expect people with morals to vote for them!

I am beginning to understand why some Mr. Sanders supporters will never vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Just this morning I was looking at CNN and some students were saying they identify with Trump, because Mrs. Clinton is the establishment and backs Wall Street.

To be honest, I do not want Trump as a President. I just cannot understand how Mr. Sanders is not winning the delegates. Guess the whole system is corrupt.

[mooseprime]

69. ^^^^^^thread winner^^^^^ n/t

[pdsimdars]

151. Yes, it raises grave doubts about their values and judgement.

"You yelled at me" vs. "you bombed my village and killed my parents"

Which is the more critical issue?

GET A PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE

[merrily]

49. Well, well whaddaya know? Another Hillary camper proven dishonest by video.

[CajunBlazer]

51. I don't understand

How can a group of proud progressives defend a group of people acting like heathens. One Sanders supporter who was interviewed after blamed the ugliness the on the proximity of many bars in the area. If you look closely at the videos with an objective eye you might come away with the impression that some of those folks were not using good judgement due to the alcohol in their systems.

Do you also defend the many phone calls which were directed at Nevada officials which threatened their lives and their children and grandchildren? Is that permissible behavior. Are those people who you are proud to have as fellow Sanders supporters?

Folks, if you don't call out your own when they do despicable things, you endanger the reputation of the entire group.

[TheFarS1de]

59. She ruined what little reputation they had left

the very moment she took to stage to goad and deride a large portion of the D base .

[CajunBlazer]

66. I'm not talking about Boxer, I'me talking about you

Are you supporting people who threaten people's children and grandchildren?

[TheFarS1de]

76. Have you stopped hitting your wife ?

Let's just strawman each other out of existence

[CajunBlazer]

213. No, that tactic won't work!

You will have to do better than that BS.

It is matter of where reasonable Sanders supporters draw the line separating what actions by other other Sanders supporters will defend and which they, of necessity, have to condemn.

Let's take some actual situations which have come up during the primary season:

Obviously most of you defend the hurling verbal insults at Nevada Democratic officials by Sanders supporters when they believed Bernie had been cheated? So that much has been established.

How about rushing the stage in what could be interpreted in a threatening manner? Okay, based on the replies to this post I guess that would be in the affirmative as well though many would argue whether rushing the stage was "threatening".

Okay, how about those who some refer to as "Bernie Bros" insulting people on line? We never got an answer on that one. Was that okay.

How about those Sanders supporters who harassed super delegates who didn't agree to change their votes to Sanders? Now putting aside from the fact that this obviously stupid tactics, would you defend their actions.

Now what about those who abused the DU alert system to tried to shut down opposing view points by alerting on Hillary supporters, even in the Hillary Group, whenever they posted anything unflattering about Sanders? And what about those who then voted to hid even innocent remarks to try to rid the board of the most active Hillary supporters? Do you defend those people to simply because "they are on your side".

And lastly the original question: Is it okay for Sanders supporters to call and leave hundreds of threatening message ons the phones of Nevada Democratic officials, some of which threaten their lives and their children and grandchildren? It's a simple question do you defend the people who did that or do you condemn their actions?

And before you ask, if any Clinton supporters did any of the things listed above I hereby condemn those actions unequivocally. I would not want such people associated with my candidate.

Now it is your turn - some of your fellow supporters do not properly represent the good man who is Bernie Sanders. That much is abundantly clear. The question is whether the respectable supporters like yourself defend their actions out of blind loyalty or have the guts to say, "No, they are not with us!"

[truedelphi]

209. You want to know who is really threatening our children and grandchildren?

The One Percent.

So I would say that those of us who support Bernie understand the reality of that situation.

And I totally doubt that any Sanders supporter is going to threaten someone's children. That sounds like another DNC meme. If threatening calls came in to some official's phone line, I would suspect Brock and his minions, not us Sanders supporters.

[CajunBlazer]

217. More deflective BS BS

You don't like the subject, you don't want to address the question, then you try to change the subject. Have you every thought of becoming a politician. As to whether Sanders supporters would threaten people and their loved ones, I heard this recorded message with my own ears on CNN:

Hi Roberta Lange. This is a citizen of the United States of America and I just wanted to let you know that I think people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won’t stand for this sort of corruption. I don’t know what kind of money they are paying to you, but I don’t know how you sleep at night. You are a sick, twisted piece of shit and I hope you burn for this! You can return my call at xxxxxxxxx. I’d love to go into further detail with you about this, though I am sure you don’t have courage to do so. You cowardless bitch, running off the stage! I hope people find you.

The media has vetted the threats - here are just a few of the articles:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/some-democrats-accuse-sanders-supporters-of-harassing-convention-delegates/2016/04/12/0dd97d60-fff4-11e5-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a58516/bernie-sanders-roberta-lange-death-threats/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-nevada-dem-chair_us_573b4b8de4b0aee7b8e7dfa2

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/262021/lefties-send-9000-threats-elizabeth-warren-over-daniel-greenfield

[senz]

72. Stealing elections makes voters very, very angry.

Our system does not support election theft. It is a crime against the citizenry. The only despicable actions that night were on the part of the "authorities."

There was no violence. There were no chairs thrown. Videos prove it. It is another Hill camp/media lie.

As for phone calls, we do not know if the Hillary/Brock forces did those. They do so many dirty tricks, I would not put it past them at all.

The Hill forces were entirely TOO ready with the "violence" narrative. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511986017

[truedelphi]

221. Yes it does. Especially when you have an honorable perosn like Bernie

Going up against a Clinton.

[cheapdate]

53. The Tuzla airport was the scene of intense fighting for many weeks

as Bosnian and Serbian forces battled for control. It was bullet ridden, fire and bomb damaged. The runways had just been cleared and the airport had just been declared open for limited flights about a week before Hillary and her party arrived. Heavily armed and fortified military positions guarded the perimeter. Rockets and small arms had been fired at planes very recently.

There's almost nothing that could have convinced me to fly into Tuzla at that time. If for some reason I did, it would have been extraordinarily tense.

Yes. She misspoke when she recounted the story a decade or so later. There was no sniper fire that day.

The photographs of her arrival show everyone acting as if it was an ordinary arrival. They're putting on a show. It wasn't normal. Nothing about flying into Tuzla, Bosnia at that time was normal.

[Fumesucker]

62. She took her kid with her

What sort of parent would knowingly and deliberately take their child into an active war zone and expose them to snipers?

Around here that would get your kids taken away by the authorities as an unfit parent.

[cheapdate]

68. I have no idea what went into

the decision for the President's wife and daughter to go to Bosnia or what kind of private conversations might have taken place over it.

I think there might have been a desire to demonstrate that the airport was secure to lend confidence to aid and relief flights.

[akbacchus_BC]

70. I think Mrs. Clinton went for a visit and took Chelsea with her!

I agree with the poster above, endangering your child is when Child Protection comes in. Be that as it may, she effing lied about landing under sniper fire. Who votes for liars like Mrs. Clinton and donald trump?

Do they really think that the American public is so unintelligent. Not only that, President Obama was for yes we can. Mrs. Clinton is for no, we cant. She is not giving a bone to students, people on welfare, etc. She is just dumbing down everything President Obama worked for, inspite of the republicans fighting him tooth and nail. Mrs. Clinton is a Wall Street girl, vote for her at your own peril but the alternative is a disaster. Once again, you have to vote for the lesser of two evils! It sucks.

[cheapdate]

73. The First Lady accepted some personal risk

for the larger goal of demonstrating that the airport was secure to lend confidence to desperately needed humanitarian aid and relief flights.

HRC is far from my ideal candidate, but my vote is going to the Democratic nominee, whoever they may be.

It's not a tough call for me.

[akbacchus_BC]

74. Good for you!

[Fumesucker]

71. The government spends millions upon millions to ensure the safety of the First Family

Somehow I don't think the Secret Service would have allowed Hillary and Chelsea to so much as get on the plane in the first place if there were significant security concerns.

Either there was no significant risk at Tuzla or Clinton is an awful parent willing to sacrifice her child's safety for political gain.

[cheapdate]

75. As I recall

the reason for the visit was to demonstrate that the airport was secure to lend confidence to desperately needed humanitarian aid and relief flights.

You can look at it any way you like.

[djean111]

102. Sinbad accompanied the Clintons on that trip.

He said that the ONLY stressful thing about that trip was deciding where to have dinner each night.

Hillary made up quite the elaborate story. As if she would never be questioned. makes me wonder if anything she says is true, really. Not leadership material.

[cheapdate]

130. So don't vote for her.

It makes no difference to me.

[djean111]

134. Why would I care if you cared?

We are discussing the sniper fire lies. Hillary made up quite the dramatic story. Either she was confused - never a good thing - or she was lying in order to gain some sort of cred.

And, really - if she was making the visit in order to "instill confidence" - why the fuck make up a story about being under sniper fire? That is pretty much demented and ridiculous. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[cheapdate]

162. Sure, and why would Brian Williams "make up a story"

about the military helicopter he was flying in in Iraq getting hit?

The helicopter he was traveling in was being shot at from the ground and the aircraft's door gunner was returning fire with a machine gun, but his helicopter wasn't hit, one the helicopters in front of him was. Why the fuck make up a story about being hit?

F*^king ridiculous. And demented. Williams and Clinton are two lying peas in a pod.

[djean111]

168. The difference is that Hillary was nowhere near any gunshots.

And then to embroider the story, saying they had to duck and run and no smiling little girls giving them flowers. Bizarre, really.

And Brian Williams lost his job. Hillary is campaigning for a job that, for me, requires not making shit up for effect.

Actually, Williams' story makes more sense than Hillary's story. For me, there is really no point in ever listening to Hillary talk, or reading anything she says, because there is no reason to believe her. So I don't.

Again, if her mission was to reassure people that the airport was safe, as you say, the whole thing makes no sense at all. And if she really thought she got shot at, IMO she needs some help.

[cheapdate]

181. Sounds good. Your mind is made up and so is mine.

[cliffordu]

78. 100% of the snipers I know think this is accurate.

[Lizzie Poppet]

109. A-yup!

Okay, not a sniper...but I am a long-distance rifle competitor. Does that count?

Of course, the only thing Clinton or Boxer will have to dodge from me is my expressions of contempt.

[cliffordu]

159. I can fling poop.

I wonder what MOA is at 25 meters.....

[senz]

167. We have other weapons to use against politicians.

We can tell the truth about them. We can persuade others not to vote for them. We can give our time and money to their competitors.

Re the rifle thing. I grew up around guns (brothers, father) but disliked them for the noise and scariness. However, I've begun to wonder if they could become a necessity for self-protection at some point in the future depending on who wins the presidency. Do you think it's worth it for older females to learn how to shoot a gun? (Should also confess to physical issues that have compromised the strength and accuracy of my fingers.) Just wondering. Maybe I should check out the gun group around here...

[cliffordu]

227. I believe everyone should know how to safely handle firearms....

Everyone I knew as a kid knew how and none have shot anyone on accident yet.

And you can find a firearm that will work for you.

But get trained in safety and operation. Please.

And never point the goddamned thing at anything you don't want dead.

[jack_krass]

81. Hey, flying chairs can be more dangerous than flying bullets

[pdsimdars]

153. Or bombs. . .

[MFM008]

82. The sniping went on for years

The Bosnian serbs, Bosnians and Croats was a horrible situation with all side sniping at each other.
However the Bosnian Serbs and their Serb overlords were the most egregious.
I believe it was possible to be under sniper fire as the BSerbs violated almost every cease fire or even temporary cease fires.
They shot at every plane even aid planes which they later ransacked.
Whatever else you may not believe her on, this one could be true.

[cherokeeprogressive]

106. This one isn't true. The question isn't whether or not there were snipers in Bosnia.

The question is whether or not Hillary Clinton and her daughter ran with their heads down in order to escape sniper fire when they landed in Tuzla.

I believe video evidence and first hand accounts disprove her claim that she did just that.

[Scootaloo]

131. 'Course there's video of her on hte tarmac, getting flowers from a little girl

No dodging, to diving for cover. Just a nice stroll, all smiles and waves.

Clinton lied. It's really that simple. She admitted it (oh, she says she "misspoke" but... well, that's Politicalese for "lied like a rug&quot

[VOX]

83. OP fit for the right-wing site of your choice...

It'd play great with Dittoheads, PaulBots, Freepers, and assorted "low information" voters. Don't have to change a word or any punctuation. Perfect as is.

[JoePhilly]

100. +1

[still_one]

156. Thank you. Senator Boxer has always been a staunch progressive Senator, and I am proud to say I

have voted for her each time.

These comments that disparage a wonderful Senator are disgusting, and as you mentioned are not appropriate for a supposed Democratic site, but for a R/W site.

If some are wondering why Sanders is losing, perhaps all they need to do is look in the mirror

[senz]

169. Because holding HRC responsible for her behavior is SO rightwing.

Nah. Democratic voters have EVERY right to discuss the history and character of the politicians who want their votes.

It's still America, VOX. Maybe it won't be if your candidate gets in. Maybe we'll have the censorship you desire and the totalitarian control that would make things so much easier for her.

But until that happens, we are allowed to discuss presidential candidates.

Sorry.

[Darb]

89. UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU BARBARA, YOU FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another bernie takes another cake. Save some cake for others.

[silvershadow]

101. K&R

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

103. Lol what the fuck was she doing in NV?

[Lizzie Poppet]

111. Trolling liberals, apparently.

[boomer55]

104. exactly

[dana_b]

113. good one

but it makes for an exciting story, right?

[liberalnarb]

114. MASSIVE KANDR!!

[Dr. Strange]

120. I heard there's video of Boxer dodging thrown chairs.

It was reported by Jonathan Capehart, so you know it's totally true.

[pdsimdars]

155. But I think Hillary's UFO aliens from area 51 took it in their space ship

[Scootaloo]

128. I expect to see her in heavy eyeshadow with a backwards B on her cheek any day now

[senz]

166. lol, perfect! That's where she belongs now.

I'm so glad you're back on GD-P, Scootaloo, raising the wit and intelligence levels. Very needed in these poo-throwing final weeks. I swear the other side is getting stupider.

Oh...I emailed your kombucha recipe to a friend who drinks it all the time ... but just happened to catch him at a very bad moment and, alas, he was not amused. Oh well. I still liked it.

[Scootaloo]

180. They're not stupid. Just very, very thoughtless

Like, the machine is in perfect working condition, but it's currently unplugged, you know?

What really gets me is how angry they are all the time! WHY? Back in 2008, their anger at least made sense, they were losing, and sour grapes is always a thing. But now they're winning, and they're even angrier. The levels of absolute white-knuckled rage I see from Clinton supporters is astounding. I know I sure as hell wasn't that mad when Obama was winning, why the hell are they so apoplectic with their candidate in the lead?

[senz]

187. Apparently something is slipping and they know it.

And we (or I, anyway) just haven't been able to identify it yet. All we can do is guess, like we did in this thread -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512007986

Your metaphor of the machine in perfect working condition but currently unplugged is excellent (reminds me of a line from a song in the movie "Performance&quot . It does what a good metaphor should do, it opens up the mind. I'm pretty dense but am guessing that Bernie's candidacy was for them like the crack in the universe that lets in something unexpected -- in this case, the people.

Also, some of Hill's DU supporters have taken it to the level of religion, which could account for some of the intensity we see.

[Maven]

136. Awesome plan! Keep attacking a popular Senator from CA going into the CA primary

But when Bernie loses there I'm sure it will be because of A) theft, B) establishment ratfucking, C) all of the above?

[pdsimdars]

157. Is she running?

Hey, shouldn't SHE be the one responsible for HER behavior? It seems like you think that when she does STUPID things it's the right thing to do to cover it up.

Kind of like a dysfunctional family. . . don't let the outsiders know.

[MaeScott]

138. kicked!

[Babel_17]

141. Lol (nt)

[polly7]

152. The whole thing was just surreal to see thrown about days after.

Even when proof was shown that it was crap ... people still kept amping it up.

[merrily]

154. Great OP title. This thread should have at least a hundred recs. Oh, wait. It does!

[pdsimdars]

160. BUT, WE have to not let it go. Thom Hartmann thinks it was no big deal.

I think that is naive. If you look at it from a "regular" American's perspective, they don't get all the follow up details, the retractions, etc. They don't get anything from the left.

What they got blasted form the media they watch is that Bernie supporters, again, made a violent scene that threatened Boxer and Lange. Out of control.

THAT was what was on TV for a couple of days. THAT is the impression made in their minds. How many of those people got to see that video and understand that IT DIDN'T HAPPEN? I don't think that video was played on ANY media other than online. The great mass of Americans only got the story of violence and that is all.

That is how Clinton's campaign is manipulating the discourse through MSM. And THAT is what is disgusting.

[senz]

173. TH discussed it at length on, iirc, Wednesday. He took it seriously.

He woke and smelled the crap. He even had Nina Turner on (turns out she's a friend of Joy Reid and so had to choose her words carefully.) So I feel a little better about him.

I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your comment. The MSM is lying openly and blatantly about the Dem primary and has done so for months. I hate them for it.

All we have at this point is social media, the internet, email, word of mouth. The truth has been traveling out there on Twitter already -- great video of Boxer's arrogant rudeness as she left the building.

If Hill steals the presidency, we might not have full access to internet-based media much longer, at least not for free.

[dreamnightwind]

174. And we are manipulated into wars using the exact same process

Presentation of non-supported allegations, repeated in so many different venues by so many establishment hacks who are getting their lead lines from the corporate-political pipeline, reinforce lies and misrepresentations to sell the American people on the need to attack people in foreign lands and spend all our money on the largest military machine ever seen on this planet.

It's worth looking at how this happens, how false or misleading premises are established as fact by endless repetition and selectively-edited quotes and clips.

I don't know if the majority of people will ever be capable of sorting through these kind of distortions to get any actual understanding of events. I doubt it.

So the only solution possible is to remove agendas from media. One way to do so is through democratization of media, such as what the internet allows. There are still distortions, but all sides are able to make their case, rather than only those who ally with corporate interests.

Another way is to prohibit for-profit corporations from doing news or political opinion on the airwaves or cable. A total non-profit news delivery model, with no corporate money allowed in the process. Kind of like what we need to do with our political campaigns.

We're not even close to having any actionable solution for this, nor even an agreed-on strategy. But until we do, the country will be running on consent given by people who are basing that consent on manufactured consensus and lies. And that''s no way to run a "democracy".

[edgineered]

208. Good points,

many of which would make a nice OP. One might easily guess which posters on this board have opinions contrary to the more open and honest system you're suggesting. Taking the corporate money and pedalled influence out of the media's reporting doesn't fit a Third Way agenda very well.

[mhatrw]

161. Hillary blowing kisses to the snipers.

[arcane1]

177. Perfectly said!

[Dem2]

178. Seriously?

Is this what we're left with? Oh well, trashing this silly hate thread now.

[Attorney in Texas]

184. Not a fair comparison. The Bosnia sniper fire lie was for self-aggrandizement; Boxer's lie was at

least for some goal broader than Boxer's selfish self-aggrandizement.

[lovemydog]

198. I do not believe in ratcheting up violent rhetoric

or bullshitting just to inflame people.

You have no way of knowing whether or not Barbara Boxer feared for her safety.

I disagree with your assessment and your tactics.

I believe in peace and unity among liberals and among the left.

Until we have a much large voting bloc, we must find unity and make progress every way we can.

[apcalc]

201. This thread is revolting.

[whathehell]

225. Yes, it's testosterone fueled rage on display

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry on the Left" -- Katha Politt, Nation writer

[artyteacher]

202. yoy do know they actually told Hillary...

There was the possibility of sniper fire right?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

206. Boxer should be called out on this

She is disgraceful

[azurnoir]

211. Yep

[Capt. Obvious]

212. Neckbeards have super powers

She had every right to be scared